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LoDraw 8 magnificient/normal -> after 80's rounds the worse item was average but what I got more was superiors/godlys, got some infusions of gaia, but specials and elixirs not much more than normal

Hum... that seems to suggest that the increase in quality might not change the probabilities of each family of items (potions, draughts, infusions, scrolls, etc).

Hum... that seems to suggest that the increase in quality might not change the probabilities of each family of items (potions, draughts, infusions, scrolls, etc).

No they increase, I don't get much stuff in a superior item, and even less in a fine one.
What I believe is that difficulty have a higher role than quality, but then again higher difficulty also means more time lost.

There's any difference when I increase an item level by 1 two times and when I increase the level by 2 one time?

No. The stats of the equipment are scaled up from fixed base values depending on its level. Read this.

I seem to be having a rather hard time deciding what to do with my abilities at this point. I'm spending most (if not all) of my credit income on getting ability boost, in an attempt to even out my skill tree, but I'd still like to get some advice for what's good/bad about it, and what I should change, or even If I should reset my skill tree.

No matter how I set up my skills I always feel like I'm lacking somewhere, either in HP/MP or just damage output.

I seem to be having a rather hard time deciding what to do with my abilities at this point. I'm spending most (if not all) of my credit income on getting ability boost, in an attempt to even out my skill tree, but I'd still like to get some advice for what's good/bad about it, and what I should change, or even If I should reset my skill tree.

No matter how I set up my skills I always feel like I'm lacking somewhere, either in HP/MP or just damage output.

You'll probably get more qualified opinions than mine, but a few points:
- I'm pretty sure you are putting way more points than you should in experience.
- If you intend to tackle any bosses in the Ring of Blood you will definitely need Poison, Weaken, and Bewilder, full. One of Haste or Shadow Veil would also be a good idea.
- Get the remaining Item slot, obviously...

I seem to be having a rather hard time deciding what to do with my abilities at this point. I'm spending most (if not all) of my credit income on getting ability boost, in an attempt to even out my skill tree, but I'd still like to get some advice for what's good/bad about it, and what I should change, or even If I should reset my skill tree.

No matter how I set up my skills I always feel like I'm lacking somewhere, either in HP/MP or just damage output.

A couple of things:
-Holy bonus effects Cure and Regen rates, so I recommend eventually geting all 11 of it.
-I don't know how much you need Cold spells. They're nice to have, but not at the cost of more important things, Fire and Elec will keep you plenty well-rounded. Cold's really only useful for killing White Bunnehs.
-If strapped for points, you might also want to drop Fire rating bonus or even drop Fire altogether (since Holy does the same job, only more expensive and using different proficiencies) until you can more easily afford it.
-At the very least, you should learn Weaken so that you can start training Deprecating. Deprecating spells are going to be extremely vital for more regular boss fighting and to take down the legendaries and such. It's hard enough to keep them up, never mind training them from 0.

If you feel your damage output is meek, it might be because your proficiencies are lagging. This might be happening because you have so many EXP boosts for your level and are leveling faster than your proficiencies are rising (although it should be noted that it's normal for spell proficiencies to lag 10 or more levels behind even if you use them constantly). Alternately it might be your equipment needing an upgrade. If you are playing mage, it is extremely helpful to have Elementalist gear to boost your output, though they are difficult to find since they are in such high demand.

A couple of things:
-Holy bonus effects Cure and Regen rates, so I recommend eventually geting all 11 of it.

That's not true, it was in the past, but not now anymore.

This post has been edited by cmdct: May 4 2010, 11:19

Alright, so after a reset and a few revisions, here is what I have so far.

Any suggestions on where I should slap these remaining 35 points? I'm pretty sure I'll put at least 6 points into HP so I have more then 1k health, so I should probably think of it as 29 points.

What is the easiest, cheapest way to do long normal IW?

Alright, so after a reset and a few revisions, here is what I have so far.

Any suggestions on where I should slap these remaining 35 points? I'm pretty sure I'll put at least 6 points into HP so I have more then 1k health, so I should probably think of it as 29 points.

IMO fill the 2nd tier of fire with the rating, and 1 tier holy, 2 tier cold without the ratings, so you can deal with all 4 bosses, then start to fill up the HP tanks.
But don't put the AP now, wait for another opinions first.

I am wondering if there is a some kind way to get money besides hoping to get good items and sell them?
I am too low leveled (lvl 22) to to anything big yet and i am having problems getting enough money to buy decent equipment.

What is the easiest, cheapest way to do long normal IW?

It depends on your playing, in my case normal magnificent it was the best, I had to spend 12 great mana items to go over +150 rounds, but I got so much more godlys/superiors than I got much more XP and C in return.
However if I couldn't make 100 rounds, it wouldn't be worth it, the superior quality would be best for me in that case.

I am wondering if there is a some kind way to get money besides hoping to get good items and sell them?
I am too low leveled (lvl 22) to to anything big yet and i am having problems getting enough money to buy decent equipment.

Find a high level flimsy item, prism if you can, and switch to cake difficulty, you can go much more farther that way, and the level quality of items increase till round 100, so you can get more items, and credits.
Do cakefest as well.

This post has been edited by cmdct: May 4 2010, 22:28

If it wasn't obvious, I've generally retired from the question, legendary, and this thread. In some cases, the people who've picked up the slack have said things that are either wrong or I disagree with, but I'll let you crazy kids figure things out.

Alright, so after a reset and a few revisions, here is what I have so far.

Any suggestions on where I should slap these remaining 35 points? I'm pretty sure I'll put at least 6 points into HP so I have more then 1k health, so I should probably think of it as 29 points.

IMO fill the 2nd tier of fire with the rating, and 1 tier holy, 2 tier cold without the ratings, so you can deal with all 4 bosses, then start to fill up the HP tanks.
But don't put the AP now, wait for another opinions first.

If you've beaten the bosses in the Ring of Blood, you don't really need all of elec, fire, ice, and holy until 100 when you start the boss arenas.
Till then, you could pick up a tier of Fire though whether you really need the ratings is debatable.
Of course, Holy is very useful when fighting the legendaries, so you might want to get that as well.
Assuming you have a decent supportive proficiency, Haste is a good spell. (At some point it becomes more useful than shield.)
Get the 4th item slot. No point not having it.
How many points have I spent? 17 without ratings and 27 with ratings.
I guess you could put the leftover in HP tank.

I am wondering if there is a some kind way to get money besides hoping to get good items and sell them?
I am too low leveled (lvl 22) to to anything big yet and i am having problems getting enough money to buy decent equipment.

No, not really. You can sell artifacts to players such as myself (I generally pay 9000 C) to pick up extra credits. As the cost of AP boosts are still low for you, it is not a bad deal.

Since we're on the subject of spending ability points, was t a bad idea for me to invest in spirit tank and overcharge boost? I figured that increasing my overcharge capacity, and thus increasing my melee damage multiplier, was a good investment. What do the experts think?

Since we're on the subject of spending ability points, was t a bad idea for me to invest in spirit tank and overcharge boost? I figured that increasing my overcharge capacity, and thus increasing my melee damage multiplier, was a good investment. What do the experts think?

At your level, yes. The increase is negligible, particularly when you have more important things you could be putting AP into. Save SP-OC for when you have excess AP.

What is the easiest, cheapest way to do long normal IW?

I'm not sure how many levels you mean by long, but I just did one for a fine item @ normal for 138 items. The setup I use is mage with all elementalist armor and a focus staff(looking for possibly a destruction staff). I ended up burning 2 lesser draughts, potions, 2 ave draughts, 1 ave potion of the mana type. Hope this helps.

I'm not sure how many levels you mean by long, but I just did one for a fine item @ normal for 138 items. The setup I use is mage with all elementalist armor and a focus staff(looking for possibly a destruction staff). I ended up burning 2 lesser draughts, potions, 2 ave draughts, 1 ave potion of the mana type. Hope this helps.

I only can get to 60 round or less in normal IW, with DW setup and lesser.
I don't think using staff is easier because you need to pay attention to it, while I can do IW and reading or watching some movie with DW.

IW should be reserved for items that are good enough to carry over to higher levels.

As much as you like your pokey stick, an ethereal stick is much more useful. Therefore i recommend to save IW for important stuff, and mostly for mages with a decent reserve of mana pots, stick to normal grindfest.

Why normal? Better payout, same HP bar, slightly more damage received but cure evens that out nicely. And embrace the finite knowledge that as a mage, it's unlikely to pass grindfest round 200+ on any difficulty.

As much as you like your pokey stick, an ethereal stick is much more useful. Therefore i recommend to save IW for important stuff, and mostly for mages with a decent reserve of mana pots, stick to normal grindfest.

Yes, you get credits which are nice, but the experience is awful compared to a good equipment in IW.

And embrace the finite knowledge that as a mage, it's unlikely to pass grindfest round 200+ on any difficulty.

Come on Cyriel, I got to round 705 on normal without items.

This post has been edited by Boggyb: May 5 2010, 06:56