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For a light armor user I'd say haste/shadow veil is worth it and protection isn't. But for a heavy armor user, I have my hunches (as in my last post) because heavy neuters proficiency by such a large degree and provides so much mitigation by nature.

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IMO you have 4 options available
1) Spam plate gear and increase your mitigation muchos
2) Spam slaughter gear and increase your damage muchos
3) Spam balance gear and increase your chance to crit/stun muchos (the crit rate on power balance is pretty impressive, honestly... question is how important the crit is to you)
4) Swap to light armor (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

And I'm quite sure there the ultimate option 5: switch to mage (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Then you're going to know how monsters can drain 3/4 of your hp in a round.

Now, with all seriousness, if you feel you can't progress anymore with plate armor, it should probably be the time for you to switch to either power armor or shade.
Plate gives a good amount of mitigation, but when you progress, defense should be the last thing in your mind.
For HV...
the first thing you'll have to consider is to maximize your damage output.
the second thing is to make yourself as fast as possible so monsters can't even move before you kill them.
the third thing is to evade/parry/block the attacks from monsters, because it's better to get 0 damage than getting 50% damage mitigation.

This post has been edited by varst: Dec 5 2011, 20:45

I'm going to speak from experience as a mid level heavy armor melee on mainly support spells.

Haste? Not worth it, use scrolls if you really really want it. only Dalek has doubletapped me once every 7 rounds or so. ATM it has a 41 mana cost for 29 turns, which isn't worh the effect it has on my speed (as I never doubletap anything).

Regen? I hope you're joking. Yes, yes and yes again. ATM it has a 34 mana cost for 15 turns.

Protection? Worth it. Just running Regen 1 with protection means I stay topped 99 out of 100 rounds in arena on hard, Without it I just slowly die. ATM it has a 34 mana cost for 22 turns.

Shadow veil? Worth it in grindfests/item world above 70 rounds, at that point regen + protection doesn't cut it for survivability. ATM it has a 41 mana cost for 29 turns.

Arguably you could indeed cut protection from your abilities and cast cure every now and then, but I'm lazy.

Also for gear, protection is the way to go, on hard everything dies in 2 hits unless they have silly high crushing resistance.
EDIT: Power gear wouldn't boost my damage output enough to kill everything in 1 hit (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
And as for different sorts of heavy armor, shield is the one you don't want unless you plan to use a shield.




This post has been edited by rawrpies: Dec 5 2011, 20:41

hello. I have done trainings in scavenger, and archeologist, to get more artefacts.And I would like to know if the order of trainings matters in the final result( I've done 2 archeologists trainings before training scavenger)

http://ehwiki.org/wiki/Loot_Drop_Rolls

Shadow Veil > Protection unless you have 80% mitigation from gear alone. Why?

Shadow Veil always provides 20% evade.

Protection provides 1/4 of your mitigation from gear. So at 80% it will give an extra 20% mitigation making your total 1-(1-.8)(1-.2)=84%

Also Shadow Veil is cheaper then Protection on a per turn basis

This is my current heavy armor setup
Helmet, Body, Hands, Legs, Feet

I've also attached additional screenshots
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I'm not able to switch to mage (max out my AP currently & I just spend my credits training on additional Aura slots), but it does look I'll have to travel down that path eventually.
Likewise, it will take me awhile to regenerate enough Cr to get light armor. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

To dcherry, skillchip, & rawrpies,
Thanks very much for your inputs, I'll be applying them in my future rounds. Are there any other things I should take note of?

yes, i know with mace every grandma and their dog can do it so nothing special. that why i'm asking if anyone done it without using the cheap boring weapon.
i think you right. so far only replys are from mace users when i kept saying i don't care what mace users can do. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Please read again my post. I said that I CAN clear the non-Legendary arenas WITOUT mace, but it IS absolutely possible WITH it.

Much more bearable with it too

Please read again my post. I said that I CAN clear the non-Legendary arenas WITOUT mace, but it IS absolutely possible WITH it.

none of your post say anything about not using mace:

At the moment I am able to clear everything below Schoolgirl Runs on BT. I CAN clear them on IWBTH but that would take me quite a lot of time and I am just way too lazy for that since I am not a mage.

WITH mace I am DEFINITELY able to clear IWBTH below LEgendary Runs. Still lazy, yeah.

you only mention doing it with mace which i not looking for. also i'm talking about bt/iwbth only. my English not very good but i can read. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I can do the arenas without mace, just use a club instead! (not recommend for sanity)

varst I meant is there a complete listing of equipment in the hv or is there a way to search for certain items like an ethereal mace?

Also how do players get stuff like ethereal weapons and power armour? from enemy drops?

I can do the arenas without mace, just use a club instead! (not recommend for sanity)

Once I've heard buktore recommending a void club for EOD arenas, and I do agree with him.

And what items do melees need to clear EOD?
Basically I have seen 3 successful methods: soul stone method, infusion method, and spirit attack/soul harvest method.

varst I meant is there a complete listing of equipment in the hv or is there a way to search for certain items like an ethereal mace?

Also how do players get stuff like ethereal weapons and power armour? from enemy drops?

Currently there's no complete list of equipments in HV that players own.
It's mainly due to:
1. Most weapons are useless and are thrown into bazaar.
2. Players should be given the choice to conceal what equipments they have.

Right now there's the equipments thread which players can post what equipments they've got, but be reminded that this is not the complete list.
Pirko did a HV knowledge database based on equipment links posted in this forum by players, but it hasn't been updated.

As for how players get those rare stuffs....
Luck should be the most important factor, but playing through lots of rounds/playing at high difficulty certainly helps.

Trophy dumps into shrine also help.

So i'm lvl 37 with 33 in each stat since I heard that you should try to balance your stats for a while. Currently I'm Two-handing a scythe and I was wondering when a good time to switch to Mage is (I love to aoe things but when i was lvl 10 it just took too long to kill things :<). Also should i purchase armor later or sooner since I know high level weapons make a difference at low levels but i'm not quite sure on armors. (and most of them are out of my price range :/)

Also what are all the exp things you can do to level faster (currently training "adept") since i have seen a couple post that say you can reach 100+ in a week or something realitively fast :/ (not feeling it)

This post has been edited by penelope_hope: Dec 6 2011, 08:43

Few things, post 10 times a day for the equivalent of 100 adept learner levels. this bonus takes 1 hour to take effect. Other then that, it just takes time and effort if you want to level fast.

Shadow Veil > Protection unless you have 80% mitigation from gear alone. Why?

Shadow Veil always provides 20% evade.

Protection provides 1/4 of your mitigation from gear. So at 80% it will give an extra 20% mitigation making your total 1-(1-.8)(1-.2)=84%

Also Shadow Veil is cheaper then Protection on a per turn basis

You'll notice the difference between having or not having Protection a bit before you hit 40 mitigation. The choice is between using plate and having your spells last less time, or using light and having less mitigation.

As far as Protection versus Shadow Veil goes, Protection is currently better, if you have enough mitigation from armor. It's because SV's protection is streaky. Using it you'll have runs where nothing hits you for several rounds, and runs where everything constantly hits you. It may last longer and stop all damage when it works, but that doesn't mean anything if it not working enough kills you.

Protection on the other hand works every time you're hit. You're still taking damage with it up, but it's less damage than otherwise. And you'll know that as long as it's up that the lesser damage will allow you to survive getting hit by six monsters in a round, with two crits, versus those same hits killing you if you use SV.

When I was playing melee I tried using SV a few times. The mana saved by casting SV was more than lost by the extra healing I had to do when I got hit.

This post has been edited by Drawde: Dec 6 2011, 09:43

I've also attached additional screenshots
[attachmentid=10254][attachmentid=10255][attachmentid=10256]

I'm not able to switch to mage (max out my AP currently & I just spend my credits training on additional Aura slots), but it does look I'll have to travel down that path eventually.
Likewise, it will take me awhile to regenerate enough Cr to get light armor. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

To dcherry, skillchip, & rawrpies,
Thanks very much for your inputs, I'll be applying them in my future rounds. Are there any other things I should take note of?

Whoa, there's no need to max out all your spirit tanks. Melees put points into spirit tanks to get access to the overcharge boosts, which increase your attack power. It looks like you've got 33 points tied up in spirit tanks, so use those to fill up the first four levels of spirit tank + OC.

Has anyone tried mixing different types of EDB phases? (like fenrir+heimdall)

I just tried that once, though I would like to hear opinions from you guys.

I use a Heimdall staff with a Fenrir suit and it works decently well.
Pestilence takes care of most enemies, and Purge deals quite a good blow to Undeads, Daimons and the remaining Giants.
Plus the boost to Cure is really nice on BT/IWBTH.