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post Aug 2 2017, 22:45
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QUOTE(Sapo84 @ Aug 2 2017, 22:42) *

Why would a baron want a fiery prefixed rapier?

which is why all the other ones have a chance to earn something decent, for once.

personally i'm really happy with my almost-P Fiery Rapier (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

QUOTE(SidZBear @ Aug 2 2017, 20:15) *

How much would it cost to have you click the 'do not want' button?

i'm all ears.
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post Aug 2 2017, 23:35
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Aug 2 2017, 13:45) *

i'm all ears.


for you? 14 credits and an old stick of gum.
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post Aug 2 2017, 23:45
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QUOTE(SidZBear @ Aug 2 2017, 23:35) *

for you? 14 credits and an old stick of gum.

hmm... thanks but no thanks
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post Aug 2 2017, 23:59
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QUOTE(Sapo84 @ Aug 2 2017, 22:42) *

Why would a baron want a fiery prefixed rapier?
Ok, it's peerless, but it's still trash prefixed.
Fiery vs holy/dark means nearly 1% reduction in damage (primary damage, not counting skills and counters) against normal monster, more against SGs.

Math
Data from here (last table).

Fiery
You + void + fire Strike (shock spike) + dark strike
100% + 33.55% + 17.93% + 18.60% = 170,08%

Dark
You + void + dark strike + cold strike (fire spike)
100% + 33.55% + 18.60% + 19.03% = 171,18%

If you consider that adding 1 ADB to my rapier would increase my damage by a whopping 0.44% ((2774/50.5) / 12316 * 100) you can see how actually big the difference is between a prefix like fiery and a good prefix like demonic.

tl;dr
Having fiery as prefix is just as bad as not having LMax ADB, so if you want the best of the best fiery just doesn't cut it.


I love the sarcasm in this one. I won't feel bad anymore the few times I'll be sinking 20MGP, because when I do it's not for 1 tiny ADB.
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post Aug 3 2017, 00:12
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QUOTE(decondelite @ Aug 2 2017, 23:59) *

I love the sarcasm in this one. I won't feel bad anymore the few times I'll be sinking 20MGP, because when I do it's not for 1 tiny ADB.

the funny thing is that those numbers *should* mean that cold strike + fire spike is the non plus ultra, while they actually simply mean that it's only slightly (very slightly!) better than fire strike + elec spike.

i doubt mere mortals may taste the actual difference.
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post Aug 3 2017, 00:30
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Aug 2 2017, 22:45) *

which is why all the other ones have a chance to earn something decent, for once.

Isn't this how everything always end?
The best of the best is reserved for the people who have more money than what they can spend, while the other can still enjoy the "good but not all around best" things for much cheaper.

QUOTE(decondelite @ Aug 2 2017, 23:59) *

I love the sarcasm in this one. I won't feel bad anymore the few times I'll be sinking 20MGP, because when I do it's not for 1 tiny ADB.

Your point being?
Since people actually read this very thread to be informed about HV what we really want here is clear answers, math backing up reasoning, things like that.
Being sarcastic because you did not know why people with three digit M credits can't be arsed to bid on a fiery rapier it's not making this thread looks good.
You can just check Scremaz post for reference, he read my post, understood what I meant, concluded that super-rich people simply have different priorities and still thinks that the Peerless fiery rapier of slaughter is a fucking good rapier (which it is, just not the best, like a 50.5 ADB rapier is not a 51.33 ADB rapier, and if you have enough credits to get the latter you're probably not interested in the former).
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post Aug 3 2017, 03:32
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thanks all the grandmasters helping me to build my one-hand warrior

it's give me a solid foundation of gameplay,i'll always appreciate that

for now i am switching in mage my next stage

direct purpose is play GF@IWBTH same as the melee

but mage is saving a lot of time i acceptance heavy micro-managing

so what kind staff i should use in this stage ?

i totally understand those staff was non match-prefix type not good

but they ware cheap i think it‘s good for a high level newbie like me

Peerless Fiery Redwood Staff of Surtr

Peerless Tempestuous Redwood Staff of Focus

Peerless Tempestuous Oak Staff of Heimdall

Peerless Hallowed Willow Staff of Destruction

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post Aug 3 2017, 04:25
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Aug 2 2017, 20:00) *

its prefix. people are under the mistaken impression that Fiery is a crappy suffix not even worth wasting credits on. something like that.

Can you sort the prefixes for 1H? I have always thought that unless it's Ethereal, anything goes.
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post Aug 3 2017, 05:30
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My DW and 2H proc not increase when using niten (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

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post Aug 3 2017, 06:48
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QUOTE(kuriak @ Aug 3 2017, 11:30) *

My DW and 2H proc not increase when using niten (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)


wiki => No weapon proficiencies are gained when using this style.

you need train 2H and DW Prof respectively
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post Aug 3 2017, 07:01
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QUOTE(manga522 @ Aug 2 2017, 22:32) *

so what kind staff i should use in this stage ?

i totally understand those staff was non match-prefix type not good

but they ware cheap i think it‘s good for a high level newbie like me


It depends on which element you intend to be as a mage. I am also not an expert in this area, but I would say the following:

QUOTE(manga522 @ Aug 2 2017, 22:32) *


for Fire mage.

QUOTE(manga522 @ Aug 2 2017, 22:32) *


for Wind mage.

QUOTE(manga522 @ Aug 2 2017, 22:32) *


for Holy mage.

QUOTE(manga522 @ Aug 2 2017, 22:32) *


for Dark mage.
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post Aug 3 2017, 07:31
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What is the best technique to use to increase 2H prof without extra training or Hath Perks?
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post Aug 3 2017, 07:36
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QUOTE(Gambit126 @ Aug 3 2017, 07:31) *

What is the best technique to use to increase 2H prof without extra training or Hath Perks?


grinding.
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post Aug 3 2017, 07:36
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mace in the last arenas :/
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post Aug 3 2017, 08:01
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QUOTE(Gambit126 @ Aug 3 2017, 13:31) *

What is the best technique to use to increase 2H prof without extra training or Hath Perks?


i goes this way

find a trash 2H weapon and suicidal make it with 0 durability

under this situation your hold a “air weapon” make you get lowest 2H damage

wear full set of plate armor to make sure you as hard as granite

then go to hit monster with “air weapon” as more as you can

sounds like funny joke but i really did it and it was effective

not my original idea

i forget who teach me this trick but this guy is extraordinary
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post Aug 3 2017, 08:51
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QUOTE(manga522 @ Aug 3 2017, 02:01) *

i goes this way

find a trash 2H weapon and suicidal make it with 0 durability

under this situation your hold a “air weapon” make you get lowest 2H damage

wear full set of plate armor to make sure you as hard as granite

then go to hit monster with “air weapon” as more as you can


Huh, that makes a lot of sense. Really stamina efficient too, I like it.

Now I just have to break all of my training weapons by throwing my naked body at a bunch of monsters!
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post Aug 3 2017, 09:39
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QUOTE(Basara Nekki @ Aug 3 2017, 07:01) *

for Dark mage.

Dark/Wind/Elec.

Best staff would be the fiery of surtr but I'm under the impression that manga522 doesn't really want to play fire mage.
The other alternatives are probably pretty similar, two staves with wrong prefixes and a focus one.
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post Aug 3 2017, 09:50
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QUOTE(Sapo84 @ Aug 3 2017, 15:39) *

Dark/Wind/Elec.

Best staff would be the fiery of surtr but I'm under the impression that manga522 doesn't really want to play fire mage.
The other alternatives are probably pretty similar, two staves with wrong prefixes and a focus one.



for the purpose of grinding @ IWBTH

is the fire performing good than other wrong prefixes staff ?

i only recognize fire is weakest (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)
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post Aug 3 2017, 10:15
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QUOTE(manga522 @ Aug 3 2017, 09:50) *

for the purpose of grinding @ IWBTH

is the fire performing good than other wrong prefixes staff ?

i only recognize fire is weakest (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)

A good staff is much more important than the element choosen.
For elemental mage you can pretty much completely disregard the element, the only real difference is Willow vs Redwood, with Willow being significantly better with deprecating spells (imperil).
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post Aug 3 2017, 10:24
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QUOTE(Sapo84 @ Aug 3 2017, 00:30) *

Your point being?
Since people actually read this very thread to be informed about HV what we really want here is clear answers, math backing up reasoning, things like that.
Being sarcastic because you did not know why people with three digit M credits can't be arsed to bid on a fiery rapier it's not making this thread looks good.
You can just check Scremaz post for reference, he read my post, understood what I meant, concluded that super-rich people simply have different priorities and still thinks that the Peerless fiery rapier of slaughter is a fucking good rapier (which it is, just not the best, like a 50.5 ADB rapier is not a 51.33 ADB rapier, and if you have enough credits to get the latter you're probably not interested in the former).


I demand an apology.

Just like everyone, I don't appreciate being called out dumb and various unpleasant names by someone who sets a one-sided discussion, disrespects his interlocutor, refuses to acknowledge his point of view, assumes that his interlocutor doesn't read/understand. Especially when I get all of this for free while I did absolutely nothing wrong.

SO:
1) I did understand what you wrote
2) Unlike you, I do have humour, but I admit that I did make the error to assume that you had too. What am I expecting, I was told that these forums were meant to be friendly and all...
3) Someone ignoring something doesn't make him stupid, nor being unelligible to say what he thinks about it.
4) Likewise, giving out many numbers doesn't make anyone any more clever than others either.
5) "what we really want here is clear answers, math backing up reasoning" OK, you're tasked to clean 95% of the content of this thread then.

Do I have to expand about how that post of yours is certainly not what this thread needs?

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