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which auction holders does obsolete equipment?

i have a shit load of dagger, ebony, gossamer, kevlar and shield armor i want to offload...

which auction holders does obsolete equipment?

i have a shit load of dagger, ebony, gossamer, kevlar and shield armor i want to offload...

aria auction is the best for that (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

So it looks like I might be stuck with eco3 on my dark staff cos I'm getting tired of item world.

Question is - is that so bad? I'm bound to spend more on mana pots, but that's could be ok. As long as I don't end up having to flee because I've run out of mana and the pots are on cooldown, and the alternative potency improves clearance speed.

In which case, at which point does eco go from nice-to-have to becoming essential? eco3? eco2? eco1? For holy/dark, please.

So it looks like I might be stuck with eco3 on my dark staff cos I'm getting tired of item world.

Question is - is that so bad? I'm bound to spend more on mana pots, but that's could be ok. As long as I don't end up having to flee because I've run out of mana and the pots are on cooldown, and the alternative potency improves clearance speed.

In which case, at which point does eco go from nice-to-have to becoming essential? eco3? eco2? eco1? For holy/dark, please.

maybe you need to try harder or just use IW service , mozilla (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

remember colman inactive because of this mana problem (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)



btw , I wish I will get my first leg staff drop soon (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

maybe you need to try harder or just use IW service , mozilla (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

remember colman inactive because of this mana problem (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
btw , I wish I will get my first leg staff drop soon (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

eco5 on its own isn't the problem. I was actually aiming for eco4 / pen5, which was going well with eco3/pen4 at L7. In the end, archmage popped up at L8 and again at L9.

But well, pen4 ain't so bad, and a couple of levels of archmage isn't so bad either. So, is eco3 progress limiting?

How much IW service for eco4/pen5 cost anyway?

So it looks like I might be stuck with eco3 on my dark staff cos I'm getting tired of item world.

Question is - is that so bad? I'm bound to spend more on mana pots, but that's could be ok. As long as I don't end up having to flee because I've run out of mana and the pots are on cooldown, and the alternative potency improves clearance speed.

In which case, at which point does eco go from nice-to-have to becoming essential? eco3? eco2? eco1? For holy/dark, please.

just use a mana draught whenever your mp falls below 50%. mana draught drops pretty often so it is unlikely that you will run out of it.

econ used to be essential because of the "limited pots" system.

now it is just nice to have. might save you a few pots in the long run but pots aren't that expensive to begin with.

eco5 on its own isn't the problem. I was actually aiming for eco4 / pen5, which was going well with eco3/pen4 at L7. In the end, archmage popped up at L8 and again at L9.

But well, pen4 ain't so bad, and a couple of levels of archmage isn't so bad either. So, is eco3 progress limiting?

How much IW service for eco4/pen5 cost anyway?

maybe we need super to answer how much it cost (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)


last time I ask him how much to get bu5/fa4 is around 9M (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

too much for poor player like me (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)


well , I know that feeling when I'm trying to get but5/fat4 in my rapier before (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

This post has been edited by nobody_xxx: Jul 15 2015, 18:36

Huge price. Probably 5m+.

Any eco is ok if you dont have to flee. Actually dark/holy is quite mana expensive, so you need good set to make it work.

This post has been edited by nec1986: Jul 15 2015, 18:34

Yeah, that's too much (even if it takes the problem off my hands). Surely I won't ever spend 5m in pots (50k pots!)

I don't mind any eco as long as I don't need to flee too - that's what I meant by progress limiting.

Im not sure about correct price at my lvl for holy/dark, but probably not higher than 30mp/turn. Even 30x6000=180k and its ~180 pots. I dont even count draught/gem/passive regeneration and its already acceptable for full fest run. Eco looks ok, because it gives not so bad effect compare to all others, but if we look generally than all has very low increase.

Also it should not have problem even with eco0, because i can restore more than 1,5k mp per 50 turns.

This post has been edited by nec1986: Jul 15 2015, 19:02

It's common for grindfesters. I believe that some mages like wannaf average 3000+ rounds starting from after getting off work.
Also heard that holy_demon averages 3000+ (or 5000+?) rounds daily.
And CMIIW: Cats Lover, the best melee player, uses 15x Energy Drink on average every day.
As for myself, back when I was not so busy, I had been using 10x ~ 20x Energy Drink daily.
(Been covering the cost of Energy Drink by selling artifacts. My best record of artifact drop is 63x in one day.)
I have also been paying attention to qinkin1979, and from the crystals in his shop I believe that he uses no less Energy Drink than I do.
Due to RL and the surging market price of Energy Drink in WTS, I haven't been grinding that hard for a while.
imo using an Energy Drink when stamina is greater than or equal to 80 is absolutely a waste except when power leveling.

15 Energy Drink per day (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
I only use a few Energy Drink for the arena exp (or waste according to you (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)) and then maybe do 0.5~1 GF

If I put a monster to sleep then cast Drain on it will it wake up?

which auction holders does obsolete equipment?

i have a shit load of dagger, ebony, gossamer, kevlar and shield armor i want to offload...

feel free to drop me a pm with list before (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)

It's common for grindfesters. I believe that some mages like wannaf average 3000+ rounds starting from after getting off work.
Also heard that holy_demon averages 3000+ (or 5000+?) rounds daily.
And CMIIW: Cats Lover, the best melee player, uses 15x Energy Drink on average every day.
As for myself, back when I was not so busy, I had been using 10x ~ 20x Energy Drink daily.
(Been covering the cost of Energy Drink by selling artifacts. My best record of artifact drop is 63x in one day.)
I have also been paying attention to qinkin1979, and from the crystals in his shop I believe that he uses no less Energy Drink than I do.
Due to RL and the surging market price of Energy Drink in WTS, I haven't been grinding that hard for a while.
imo using an Energy Drink when stamina is greater than or equal to 80 is absolutely a waste except when power leveling.

So why all the grindfest runs? Crystals? Or is there something I'm missing?
I'm assuming they're all on PFUDOR.

Probably credits.

If I put a monster to sleep then cast Drain on it will it wake up?

yes.

If an equipment is forged, the additional multiplier applies to Base_Roll and Suffix Roll only (i.e. Quality_Bonus part is unaffected)

Does this mean that the value of the base tooltip on equipment popups is affected by upgrades? Does the same happen with potencies? I want to compare different equipment pieces and I don't know if I should take this in account.

Does this mean that the value of the base tooltip on equipment popups is affected by upgrades? Does the same happen with potencies? I want to compare different equipment pieces and I don't know if I should take this in account.

Yes the values you see from tooltip changes that why you have to look into the equipment using 'c' to get equipment link because they are hidden in the tooltip but show up in the link.

So for example you might be looking at weapon damage and say wow that like 50 base state on the tooltip but then you equipment link in and you realise that it actually got butcher 3 and 5 WD upgrade, so not so great.


OK time for me to get this right:

The tooltip give you the overall effective stat of weapon.
The equipment link has additional tooltip to show the base stats of the effective stat shown.

Both are affected by potency and upgrades.

So for example if you weapon damage for like say a rapier was about 40 or something. if you potency upgrade like butcher it will increase to i don't know like to 42 (i'm just making up numbers here) similarly upgrade on weapon damage will directly scale the base stat up in the same way as potency upgrades.

So yeah if you have potency/upgraded weapons and you see its base stat you can not compare it easily to a fresh un-upgraded weapon base stat.

To take into account the upgrade factor, I think there is a forging guide somewhere with formula on how the base stat changes per upgrade from memory.

2nd EDIT: Here is the forging guide

This post has been edited by rfEH: Jul 15 2015, 23:52

Thanks, that's what I suspected. I was already looking the info on equipment links, but base values made no sense, so I wanted to confirm that. Thanks for the guide too.

So it looks like I might be stuck with eco3 on my dark staff cos I'm getting tired of item world.

Question is - is that so bad? I'm bound to spend more on mana pots, but that's could be ok. As long as I don't end up having to flee because I've run out of mana and the pots are on cooldown, and the alternative potency improves clearance speed.

I was thinking the same thing. Penetrator 5 might even be better than Eco 5 now, for some people. It probably depends on how much forged Wis you have overall, but I'm tempted to say that as long as you aren't running into the possibility of total mana depletion with everything on cooldown, less Eco and more Penetrator (and more Archmage, if Destruction and heavily forged) might result in more average profit per turn. That's just an idea though, I haven't run any numbers on it.

How much IW service for eco4/pen5 cost anyway?

Around 11m, 9.5m if one extra undesired potency is allowed

If I were to find/get something new, I might be tempted to avoid IWing that far on my own staff until 0.83 comes out. Penetrator may become significantly more or significantly less useful, given the Imperil and resistance rework.

This post has been edited by Superlatanium: Jul 16 2015, 00:13