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post Feb 17 2010, 03:09
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QUOTE(dlhmmr @ Feb 17 2010, 00:02) *

Hey darq, I've found that keeping my Primary attributes balanced gives me the best derived ratings in both attack and magic. My ebony staff of focus is an effective weapon and ether theft is a great mana saver.


I actually think it would weaken me in the moment because my ether theft is to short (1 round) and i take more damage for longer killtime (which i have to heal). With magic i kill all normal monsters with one hit and some mid-bosses die after 2 attacks. Kill as fast as possible save me the most mana.
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post Feb 17 2010, 03:44
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QUOTE(cmdct @ Feb 16 2010, 16:12) *

Really? Hum, just one thing, weren't you at l80 or more before heavy got nerfed?

Heavy armor was once good? I don't remember that...
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post Feb 17 2010, 04:08
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QUOTE(Boggyb @ Feb 17 2010, 01:44) *

Heavy armor was once good? I don't remember that...

lol I was full crude/fair plate/chainmail having about 80-100 burden, and still I could clear all arenas, I can't even imagine what kind of power with good plate a guy could have.

I forgot one thing, you guys with donations auras and such, of course you don't have problem on letting END being a little below or level, since your special auras give a little more stats, so in the reality, you had END under your level (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Feb 17 2010, 04:48
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QUOTE(cmdct @ Feb 16 2010, 18:08) *

I forgot one thing, you guys with donations auras and such, of course you don't have problem on letting END being a little below or level, since your special auras give a little more stats

The metallic auras don't give you any stats.
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post Feb 17 2010, 05:14
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QUOTE(Boggyb @ Feb 17 2010, 02:48) *

The metallic auras don't give you any stats.

No? Only the hath auras? How come Evo have +9 END then? 3*2END from level 3 primary aura, gives only 6 END,
Where he got the other 3 points, since he's wearing a staff and full cloth?
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post Feb 17 2010, 05:36
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QUOTE(cmdct @ Feb 16 2010, 22:14) *

No? Only the hath auras? How come Evo have +9 END then? 3*2END from level 3 primary aura, gives only 6 END,
Where he got the other 3 points, since he's wearing a staff and full cloth?

Only Hath Auras give Attribute bonuses. White gives 3 END.
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post Feb 17 2010, 05:49
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Oh ok, thanks
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post Feb 17 2010, 10:04
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So, I'm basically playing dual wield/dodger with all cloth armor. But I take massive damage from most enemies in the Arena and I can't do grindfest on anything other than cake for more than 5 rounds. Should I try something else or does it become better over time?
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post Feb 17 2010, 12:48
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QUOTE(burakumin @ Feb 17 2010, 00:04) *

So, I'm basically playing dual wield/dodger with all cloth armor. But I take massive damage from most enemies in the Arena and I can't do grindfest on anything other than cake for more than 5 rounds. Should I try something else or does it become better over time?


You're probably taking massive damage because you're in all cloth. Personally, that isn't something I would suggest unless you have some powerful magic to speed up your battles.

It does get better with leveling, but don't expect that to happen overnight.

You may want to consider other styles, especially one with a high block shield. That will give you some protection, even if it limits your attack options. Also consider mixing maybe one piece or more of heavy armor in to soak up extra damage. Or possibly even going all heavy until you find a better way to survive. That will give you extra END and STR in the meantime.

Stay on Cake for now, get your proficiencies up some, or do some ItemWorlds. You're not actually supposed to be able to grind on Normal for quite some time, it's harder than most people realize.

Also, what difficulty do you have the Arenas on? If you can't do the first few on the lowest setting, definitely make some changes somewhere.

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post Feb 17 2010, 12:58
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I'm just starting off right now, so I'd like some advice on builds that actually work out. Occasionally I like to be a magic user, but wanted to know if they fall into the OP or Weak Sauce catagory before I dump a bunch of points into it.

Feel more then free to send me a FAQ, I skimmed around for one, but couldn't find anything that was too helpful and not in complete detail.
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post Feb 17 2010, 13:11
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QUOTE(Fakeaccount7 @ Feb 17 2010, 02:58) *

I'm just starting off right now, so I'd like some advice on builds that actually work out. Occasionally I like to be a magic user, but wanted to know if they fall into the OP or Weak Sauce catagory before I dump a bunch of points into it.

Feel more then free to send me a FAQ, I skimmed around for one, but couldn't find anything that was too helpful and not in complete detail.


Magic is easier at higher levels, but very difficult when starting out. A lot of people seem to stick to 1hand and shield until they can branch out into other areas.

Did you try our HV Wiki? Many of the true experts helped build it. Especially this page. You probably want to read through the whole Wiki a couple of times, lots of useful info in there.

There's also marcho's HV Tips thread.

And the HV Questions thread, but the info there isn't all that organized.

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post Feb 17 2010, 16:18
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Right now it's too difficult to get Hath, so just to make sure if it's a good investment.

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Innate Arcana I - Unlocks the first auto-cast slot in the HentaiVerse. This allows you to select a spell that will be cast automatically.


A supportive spell will be cast at the beginning of each round, or only the first round of IW, arena, grindfest? And it will cost mana?

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post Feb 17 2010, 17:02
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New Hath Perks: Innate Arcana

The Innate Arcana series of hath perks unlocks a number of auto-cast slots that can be found below the quickcast slots on the settings page. These spells will be automatically cast during battle.

Each spell you add to auto-cast incurs an Upkeep which is subtracted every round the spell is active. The Upkeep is calculated as the cost of the spell divided by its duration - these calculations take your proficiency into account, and it should cost the same as casting them manually.

If your mana drops below 10%, the auto-cast spells will dissipate. They will be automatically recast when mana goes above 25% - or you can recast them manually, it will then take over when the manually-cast spell expires. (No upkeep is consumed when the manually cast version is in effect.)

Each level of Innate Arcana increases the number of slots by 1. The higher levels also decrease the total Upkeep cost for all spells.

Currently, the spells that can be set to auto-cast are: Shield, Barrier, Haste, and Shadow Veil. Others may be added in the future.
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post Feb 17 2010, 17:40
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Also, what difficulty do you have the Arenas on? If you can't do the first few on the lowest setting, definitely make some changes somewhere.


Hm, I don't have enough money to buy full plate, I'm also worried about getting double attacked by enemies if I wear full heavy armor. I'm doing Arenas on Normal, I can do most of them fine but I'm having trouble with the level 30 arena sometimes If it decides to spawn a lot of high level damage dealers.

The stats are fine though?
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post Feb 17 2010, 19:51
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Why is it that when most people post screen shots, theirs look like this [i50.tinypic.com] http://i50.tinypic.com/swtoc4.png
While mine looks like this [i45.tinypic.com] http://i45.tinypic.com/2my556o.jpg
I don't see monster HP/element/weakness and the # of the round isn't on the top right of the screen.
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post Feb 17 2010, 19:59
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QUOTE(KamuiSeph @ Feb 17 2010, 09:51) *

Why is it that when most people post screen shots, theirs look like this [i50.tinypic.com] http://i50.tinypic.com/swtoc4.png
While mine looks like this [i45.tinypic.com] http://i45.tinypic.com/2my556o.jpg
I don't see monster HP/element/weakness and the # of the round isn't on the top right of the screen.

Those people are using the HV Stat script.
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post Feb 17 2010, 20:28
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QUOTE(Boggyb @ Feb 16 2010, 19:44) *

Heavy armor was once good? I don't remember that...

It's still pretty good if you've got the gear and proficiency...
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post Feb 17 2010, 21:31
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QUOTE(burakumin @ Feb 17 2010, 07:40) *

Hm, I don't have enough money to buy full plate, I'm also worried about getting double attacked by enemies if I wear full heavy armor. I'm doing Arenas on Normal, I can do most of them fine but I'm having trouble with the level 30 arena sometimes If it decides to spawn a lot of high level damage dealers.

The stats are fine though?


Stat-wise, I've kept mine pretty even since I started playing. And for some time now, I've been able to beat each Arena at the same level it first became available. Of course, I've invested in lots of different things to make that possible, but after a certain point (or possibly always with the right strategy) it is possible.

Getting double attacked might not actually hurt as much if you have decent heavy armor. And even one piece of heavy would help you, so a whole suit of heavy may not actually be needed.

And remember that higher proficiencies do ultimately make you stronger. So even if you lose in Arenas every day, so long as you're wearing armor, you'll get better.... eventually. That's why it's so important to spend lots of time fighting in whatever you want to get strong in.
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post Feb 18 2010, 02:13
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And remember that higher proficiencies do ultimately make you stronger. So even if you lose in Arenas every day, so long as you're wearing armor, you'll get better.... eventually. That's why it's so important to spend lots of time fighting in whatever you want to get strong in.


(IMG:[img28.imageshack.us] http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/982/profk.gif)

I just leveled up to 63, and right now my proficiency don't make me so strong, but I was told that after lvl 90, will matter a lot. I'm still a noob, but I don't recommend to do Arenas for proficiency (only for magic proficiency on cake lvl), cause you can die easily and it's very frustrating lose credits.
My 1H/DW and armor proficiency are high because I do a lot of IW on cake level, with a lvl 200+ equip. It's good for proficiency, for level up and for item drops that I sell at bazaar. I rarely do grinfest because even at lvl cake, I can only do about 20~25 rounds, and Arena I do only until Fresh Meat.
This method is very tedious and slow to gain credit, but is effective for me.

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post Feb 18 2010, 02:40
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QUOTE(Darq @ Feb 17 2010, 09:09) *

I actually think it would weaken me in the moment because my ether theft is to short (1 round) and i take more damage for longer killtime (which i have to heal). With magic i kill all normal monsters with one hit and some mid-bosses die after 2 attacks. Kill as fast as possible save me the most mana.


A little hint, when you fight boss, like white bunneh or dalek. Do not ever process the ether theft ever. Just let the CM running. CM runs for, like I don't know 5-7 turns. and it may reproc in the middle of that, assuming each AOE spell you cast is about 2-3MP a shot. you save more MP than you can ever absorb from hitting ether theft.

I saved more mana letting CM run than using ether theft. (AOE hits harder than single target spells, ON the intended target for your AOE)

I tend to exit grindfest at about turn 15-16 and never use my mana draughts (my battle inventory is only mana draughts) even though I have 0 mana. I prefer to forfit earlier for grindfest rather than burn through the draughts, because everytime I see a boss. I end up using every single draught, so in theory, I wouldn't have made it if I used them earlier for the grindfest.

That's my mage style of blasting bosses to oblivion(using staff). My battle mage style is to poke the boss till he procs penetrated armor, then blast in AOE magic.
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