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May 30 2014, 10:51
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zen_zen
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QUOTE(wwgenesis @ May 29 2014, 22:52)  Thanks for the guide Kos! I'm defs saving that on word.
I'm getting a magn rapier of balance soon. For now, should I suit myself up with superior _ of slaughter equips? Also, would you recommend going DW or should I get a high blocking shield? (What shield would best suit a rapier? Or is blocking really the only thing I should be focusing on? I'm guessing 30%+ is decent here).
Thanks again!
A Balance rapier is better suited as offhand weapon for DW, I've tried both Balance and Slaughter Rapier as 1H and the Balance is significantly slower. If you intend on playing DW, Light armour (Leather, Shade) would be the way to go but if 1H, Heavy armour (Plate, Power) is better suited - though I am playing 1H Light at the moment. Two very different style of play, playing both at your level would be a strain to your limited resources. Here's a Force Shield of Protection with not quite 30% base block that you can have for 10k.
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May 30 2014, 11:39
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LeFlame-Befoe
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What's better to have as a 1H, parry or block? Let's say you have the choice to put on two combinations of equipment that gives you:
Option 1: 25% parry & 30% block Option 2: 30% parry & 25% block
Which would you choose?
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May 30 2014, 11:42
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Cats Lover
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QUOTE(LeFlame-Befoe @ May 30 2014, 18:39)  What's better to have as a 1H, parry or block? Let's say you have the choice to put on two combinations of equipment that gives you:
Option 1: 25% parry & 30% block Option 2: 30% parry & 25% block
Which would you choose?
Obviously option 1. Block is applied to both physical and magical attack, while parry is applied to only physical attack.
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May 30 2014, 11:43
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simrock87
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QUOTE(LeFlame-Befoe @ May 30 2014, 11:39)  What's better to have as a 1H, parry or block? Let's say you have the choice to put on two combinations of equipment that gives you:
Option 1: 25% parry & 30% block Option 2: 30% parry & 25% block
Which would you choose?
Block, because you can block magical and physical attacks, whereas parry only negates physical attacks. Also the order in which these stats are applied is: Evade > Block > Parry/Resist // edit: Cat got my tongue (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) This post has been edited by simrock87: May 30 2014, 11:44
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May 30 2014, 11:47
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(kos9494 @ May 30 2014, 02:49)  Take a look at those WTB threads and you'll find some. Here's one of them. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) i did some business with him, he was one of the most frequent viewers of my collector section. if only i knew he would have made this wtb thread now i would have earned IA3 as laughing (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif) also, i guess it would be really harder from now on to increase my stocks... QUOTE(holy_demon @ May 30 2014, 03:29)  Superior gears with Exquisite Stats don't exist. The only reason you see them is due to Equipment Comparison inaccuracy.
let's say obsolete databases that weren't updated with next releases (as ctxl himself said) (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) i tried to modify it myself but i'm way too lazy/busy to end it (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) QUOTE(Drakewyn @ May 30 2014, 02:07)  Yeah, I've got a DW+Shade set that I slowly work on proficiency with... and my 2h skill is maxed anyway, so I'm just about ready no matter which style becomes the new king. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) yep. it's a bit expensive, but a set for every style is definitely a good solution (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)
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May 30 2014, 11:58
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LeFlame-Befoe
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QUOTE(Cats Lover @ May 30 2014, 05:42)  Obviously option 1. Block is applied to both physical and magical attack, while parry is applied to only physical attack.
QUOTE(simrock87 @ May 30 2014, 05:43)  Block, because you can block magical and physical attacks, whereas parry only negates physical attacks. Also the order in which these stats are applied is: Evade > Block > Parry/Resist // edit: Cat got my tongue (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Alright, I'm gonna buy a force shield. There are two or three 1H combos I'm thinking about which y'all might have already thought of... Rapier + nimble buckler for high parry | Rapier + force shield for balanced parry and block | Club of the Nimble + nimble buckler for somewhat passable parry and block with stun on any mob. ...I think I'm gonna go with nimble club + force shield with a rapier on standby. This post has been edited by LeFlame-Befoe: May 30 2014, 12:07
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May 30 2014, 12:14
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Aegnor Alkarin
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QUOTE(holy_demon @ May 30 2014, 09:39)  rapier has the highest parry. shortswrord is also an alternative, though it has slightly lower parry. Club has no synergy with either 1H or phase (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) You're thinking like a purist. Going with a weird combo like 1H+Phase, even with a Nimble Rapier your parry chance is still laughable without the boosts from light armor, so relying on good parry is meh. For someone who's trying to combine spellcasting+1H attacking, an alternative would be Arcanist, I guess. But rolling stuns and then debuffing is safer than hoping for parry that never procs often enough.
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May 30 2014, 12:18
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holy_demon
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ May 30 2014, 19:47)  let's say obsolete databases that weren't updated with next releases (as ctxl himself said) (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) i tried to modify it myself but i'm way too lazy/busy to end it (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) Gasior was the one maintaining the latest Equipment Compare, and it was pretty accurate except for some leg stats. But, he said he stop doing it in the Script thread (and his profile/avatar all refer to suicide so...) Let's see if anoyone will volunteer for this boring, thankless job :/
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May 30 2014, 12:20
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something
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QUOTE(LeFlame-Befoe @ May 30 2014, 05:58)  Alright, I'm gonna buy a force shield. There are two or three 1H combos I'm thinking about which y'all might have already thought of... Rapier + nimble buckler for high parry | Rapier + force shield for balanced parry and block | Club of the Nimble + nimble buckler for somewhat passable parry and block with stun on any mob.
just an fyi: you don't really NEED a rapier yet. a high damage axe or shortsword will do just as well till you get to SG arenas. club is kinda meh since you already get stun from counters but if that's the best thing you can find you can make it work. just don't do nimble club since you can get just as much parry from buckler of the nimble and then more damage(the second most important thing for 1H imo) from a slaughter club as far as shields go, assuming they were all peerless: force>buckler of the nimble>buckler of the barrier~kite. completely unrelated note: finished PFUDOR T&T in 48 mins, a full 10 mins faster than normal. yay? This post has been edited by something: May 30 2014, 12:30
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May 30 2014, 12:31
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n125
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QUOTE(holy_demon @ May 30 2014, 03:18)  Gasior was the one maintaining the latest Equipment Compare, and it was pretty accurate except for some leg stats. But, he said he stop doing it in the Script thread (and his profile/avatar all refer to suicide so...)
What. That seems pretty troubling. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)
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May 30 2014, 12:38
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holy_demon
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QUOTE(Aegnor Alkarin @ May 30 2014, 20:14)  You're thinking like a purist. Going with a weird combo like 1H+Phase, even with a Nimble Rapier your parry chance is still laughable without the boosts from light armor, so relying on good parry is meh.
For someone who's trying to combine spellcasting+1H attacking, an alternative would be Arcanist, I guess. But rolling stuns and then debuffing is safer than hoping for parry that never procs often enough.
1H+Phase attacks mainly by spells, and rely on counter to generate OC, so they can use spirit stance to further reduce mana cost. Parry is only insignificant when Block is high enough. In fact, 1H "purists" doesn't care about parry since they heavily forge their shield . The only people who should care about parry are those who don't have high enough block, such as low level/poor players, like you. The entire point of getting 1H in the first place is extra defense from block and parry, plus the unique mechanism that comes with it. And now you're looking down on them? Doesn't compute. Heck even at my level and forging, parry is still crucial for hard stuffs like PFUDOR Peerless IW or late round GF. Also, if club is worthless on "purists" who use normal attack full time, what makes you think it will be useful on hybrids, who rarely use normal attack?
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May 30 2014, 12:40
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Aegnor Alkarin
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QUOTE(holy_demon @ May 30 2014, 11:18)  Gasior was the one maintaining the latest Equipment Compare, and it was pretty accurate except for some leg stats. But, he said he stop doing it in the Script thread (and his profile/avatar all refer to suicide so...)
Let's see if anoyone will volunteer for this boring, thankless job :/
Holy shitbongs
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May 30 2014, 12:40
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kos9494
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QUOTE(holy_demon @ May 30 2014, 09:29)  Superior gears with Exquisite Stats don't exist. The only reason you see them is due to Equipment Comparison inaccuracy.
Shhhh. It's supposed to be a small secret. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif) QUOTE(holy_demon @ May 30 2014, 18:38)  Also, if club is worthless on "purists" who use normal attack full time, what makes you think it will be useful on hybrids, who rarely use normal attack?
Well, Colman said how club is useful for half-ass 1H+Phase mage which I doubt about considering Counter Attack alone can function twice or thrice better than a club in stunning mob, which is the main purpose of a club. Purist or not, Club is just worthless on 1H, at least for now. QUOTE(LostLogia4 @ May 30 2014, 11:20)  As for now, on DW, rapier is mainly for its proc. chance, high accuracy and parry. Even on 1H Rapier's ADB is so low that people are using Power to offset that. This post has been edited by kos9494: May 30 2014, 12:57
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May 30 2014, 12:42
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holy_demon
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QUOTE(n125 @ May 30 2014, 20:31)  What. That seems pretty troubling. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif) Well the post in script thread 2 days ago was his last posts, and he hasn't been active since. What's troubling is that his title is "anti-social suicide", interest is "my death" and his avatar is a suicidal (and very depressed) character who was about to hang himself (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif) This post has been edited by holy_demon: May 30 2014, 12:47
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May 30 2014, 12:46
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LeFlame-Befoe
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QUOTE(holy_demon @ May 30 2014, 06:18)  Gasior was the one maintaining the latest Equipment Compare, and it was pretty accurate except for some leg stats. But, he said he stop doing it in the Script thread (and his profile/avatar all refer to suicide so...)
Let's see if anoyone will volunteer for this boring, thankless job :/
https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showt...p=3292448&#Last online activity was a couple of minutes after that post. QUOTE(kos9494 @ May 30 2014, 06:40)  Well, Colman said how club is useful for half-ass 1H+Phase mage which I doubt about considering Counter Attack alone can function twice or thrice better than a club in stunning mob, which is the main purpose of a club.
Purist or not, Club is just worthless on 1H, at least for now.
I noticed doing IW with a club that it's really slow compared to niten and Estoc. Since the mobs are all immobile and 1H doesn't have domino you're pretty much stuck killing each monster one by one without anyone attacking you to put CA into effect. It's also very inefficient with mana if you like putting on buffs all the time like me, since you're wasting turns slowly killing everything. This post has been edited by LeFlame-Befoe: May 30 2014, 12:54
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May 30 2014, 12:52
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LeFlame-Befoe
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thought there would have been another post by the time I posted this...
This post has been edited by LeFlame-Befoe: May 30 2014, 12:53
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May 30 2014, 12:53
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Aegnor Alkarin
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QUOTE(holy_demon @ May 30 2014, 11:38)  1H+Phase attacks mainly by spells, and rely on counter to generate OC, so they can use spirit stance to further reduce mana cost. Parry is only insignificant when Block is high enough. In fact, 1H "purists" doesn't care about parry since they heavily forge their shield . The only people who should care about parry are those who don't have high enough block, such as low level/poor players, like you.
The entire point of getting 1H in the first place is extra defense from block and parry, plus the unique mechanism that comes with it. And now you're looking down on them? Doesn't compute. Heck even at my level and forging, parry is still crucial for hard stuffs like PFUDOR Peerless IW or late round GF.
Also, if club is worthless on "purists" who use normal attack full time, what makes you think it will be useful on hybrids, who rarely use normal attack?
Give it some thought (and remember that I've tried Rapier before, with shitty results). If even with a Nimble Rapier with 27.04% Parry chance I can't get to the sweet spot where Parry is a reliable counter device, why would I give a damn about Parry? As it is, while I don't have permanent spirit stance, I do still hand out stuns damn near every three attacks, plus the stuns from counters (and I'm still low double digit proficiency for one hand) is more sensible for me, plus focusing on upgrading my shield to find one that can hit 40% block chance. Basically, the advantages of a Rapier (PA, Parry chance) aren't good enough if I don't switch full time to 1H, which I'm not planning on doing anytime soon, while a Club has extra stuns to mitigate for its shittier aspects (even lower ADB, lower counter chance). Maybe if I find some ridiculously awesome Battlecaster Rapier I'll change my mind, but the results I'm getting even with this club( http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...key=5928159603) bear my hypothesis out so far. This may change once I try something higher than Nintendo (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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May 30 2014, 12:58
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Aegnor Alkarin
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Addendum: this is the armor set I'm currently using:
Helm:http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php?eid=40413977&key=c571bac6dc Robe:http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php?eid=30432168&key=b0f2fb394a Gloves:http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php?eid=29891637&key=0a2e981eac Pants:http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php?eid=41103057&key=0022ab60e4 Shoes:http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php?eid=46162816&key=44d15e1c96
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May 30 2014, 13:01
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kos9494
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QUOTE(Aegnor Alkarin @ May 30 2014, 18:53)  Basically, the advantages of a Rapier (PA, Parry chance) aren't good enough if I don't switch full time to 1H, which I'm not planning on doing anytime soon, while a Club has extra stuns to mitigate for its shittier aspects (even lower ADB, lower counter chance).
PA isn't entirely useless becuz it does increase the damage your OFC deals, to what I know. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) Kay', I forgot that you are running at <IWBTH difficulty, so OFC will almost always one-shot all mobs without PA. .__. And yes, if Nimble/Slaughter/Balance doesn't work, you can always go Swiftness with better Attack Speed since it syncs well with Phase, that has 0 burden. This post has been edited by kos9494: May 30 2014, 13:10
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May 30 2014, 13:03
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LostLogia4
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QUOTE(Aegnor Alkarin @ May 30 2014, 18:14)  You're thinking like a purist. Going with a weird combo like 1H+Phase, even with a Nimble Rapier your parry chance is still laughable without the boosts from light armor, so relying on good parry is meh.
For someone who's trying to combine spellcasting+1H attacking, an alternative would be Arcanist, I guess. But rolling stuns and then debuffing is safer than hoping for parry that never procs often enough.
Uhm, perhaps Fus Ro Dah would do the trick...? QUOTE(Aegnor Alkarin @ May 30 2014, 18:58)  Hmm, a fenrir phase set...? Not sure about being a dark mage myself... QUOTE(holy_demon @ May 30 2014, 18:18)  Gasior was the one maintaining the latest Equipment Compare, and it was pretty accurate except for some leg stats. But, he said he stop doing it in the Script thread (and his profile/avatar all refer to suicide so...)
Let's see if anoyone will volunteer for this boring, thankless job :/ Hmm, I can update the values once in awhile if I know how to modify'em, but I can't do a thing beyond that. Hmm, perhaps someone can write the script to load a variable reference data instead of internally stored records... This post has been edited by LostLogia4: May 30 2014, 13:26
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