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post May 30 2014, 00:24
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QUOTE(LeFlame-Befoe @ May 29 2014, 23:57) *

Yep, that's pretty good. Preferably the chance should be at least 27% and DMG at 48.65+ base. I'd buy yours for 75k though.


Uhm... With that kind of offer I'm afraid I must decline.
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post May 30 2014, 01:17
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QUOTE(Hoheneim @ May 29 2014, 18:24) *

Uhm... With that kind of offer I'm afraid I must decline.

I saw a better mace selling for 100k somewhere yesterday...
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post May 30 2014, 01:20
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Some may remember that I had a previous failed experiment with 1H+Phase that I put down to laughably low proficiency + mage-oriented stats.

So I bought a rather meh Club of the Battlecaster and tried again. Seems far more viable at medium difficulty (Hell) and I may add a Buckler and see what it does to my action speed.


But rolling stuns over every damned mob is far more useful to a spellcaster than PA, and cleaning house with Disintegrate/Banishment combo when I need to...not nearly as safe as you guys are used to, but I'll find me a better Battlecaster club and push it to Battletoads, see what happens.

Qualified success, for now.
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post May 30 2014, 01:34
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QUOTE(darkx @ May 30 2014, 06:35) *

How often would one get artifacts if they were to have 6-7 archaeologist?


Somewhere between 6-12 artifact every 1000 rounds (of Hellfest). lv 6 archeologists
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post May 30 2014, 01:37
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QUOTE(wwgenesis @ May 30 2014, 06:22) *

How does one go about valuating things? I feel like its difficult to see if something's a good deal even after looking at the PMIs, ADBs, PABs, etc.

Also, what shields (prefixes and suffixes) are generally the best to go with rapiers of balance?


For melee:

Weapons for Mainhand *Slaughter suffix= Overall AD, PABs (STR/DEX mainly) and Proc. Duration. Proc. Chance is sometimes deemed valuable too especially styles with low critical rate like 1H and 2H.

Weapons for Offhand *Balance/Nimble (DW) = Accuracy(More important for Balance suffix), Parry(More important for Nimble suffix), PABs and Proc. Duration (Rapier).

Weapons for Offhand (Niten) *Balance/Nimble/Slaughter/Swiftness = The same as Offhand(DW) except Proc. Duration. ADB is valuable if players go Dual Slaughter Niten style.

*Ethereal weapons are generally more expensive nonetheless.
*All Mainhand weapons with Slaughter suffix are generally more expensive.
*Offhand weapons with Balance/Nimble are generally more expensive.

Shield = Block chance. Other stats only serve as bonus. Force shields are generally more expensive but Kite/Buckler with high Block chance can be quite expensive too.

*Buckler shields with Nimble/Barrier suffix are usually more valuable.
*Force/Kite shields with Dampening/Warding suffix are usually a little more valuable.

Power *Slaughter= ADB and PABs (mostly STR/DEX). Other stats only serve as bonus.

Plate *Protection= PMI/MMI and PABs.

*Power with Slaughter suffix are generally more valuable.
*Mithril Shield/Power, given high enough Block chance/ADB, are generally more expensive nonetheless.
*Savage Power, given high enough ADB, is usually more expensive too.
*Shielding prefixed plate are generally more valuable nonetheless.

Shade = EVD and ADB. Other stats including PABs usually serve only as bonus.

Leather = Generally trash, but can still worth few hundred k' of credits if it has high PMI and is Leg. grade or higher.

*Shades with Shadowdancer/Fleet suffix are generally more valuable.
*Shades with Arcanist suffix are valuable too for being the only kind of armor that can have 6 PABs in the latest patch.
*Savage Shades, given good enough rolls, are generally more expensive.

For Mage:

Staff = ADB, MD and Proficiency.

Phase = ADB, EVD and PABs. Other stats serve as bonus.

Cotton = Pretty much like Leather.

*Destruction suffixed staffs are usually more valuable.
*Staffs/Phases with any prefix/suffix that syncs right with on-focus elements (Hallowed/Heimdall for Light, Demonic/Fenrir for Dark) are generally more valuable.

Note that this is based on the bandwagon in HV currently. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)
Some players prefer to gear themselves differently.

QUOTE(Aegnor Alkarin @ May 30 2014, 07:20) *

Some may remember that I had a previous failed experiment with 1H+Phase that I put down to laughably low proficiency + mage-oriented stats.

So I bought a rather meh Club of the Battlecaster and tried again. Seems far more viable at medium difficulty (Hell) and I may add a Buckler and see what it does to my action speed.
But rolling stuns over every damned mob is far more useful to a spellcaster than PA, and cleaning house with Disintegrate/Banishment combo when I need to...not nearly as safe as you guys are used to, but I'll find me a better Battlecaster club and push it to Battletoads, see what happens.

Qualified success, for now.


I'd believe LostLogia4 tried playing 1H+Phase and gave up halfway. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

QUOTE(LeFlame-Befoe @ May 30 2014, 05:57) *

Hmm... Overwhelming Strike can stack?


Yes. However, only Counter-Parry stacks, the bonus for Damage and Parry doesn't.

QUOTE(LeFlame-Befoe @ May 30 2014, 05:57) *

I want 1H NOW. Thorough explanations very well said that I'm afraid 10boro might nerf 1H now.


That's the reason why most people are afraid of the next patch. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)
Though, I always have my DW+Shade sets on ready should 1H be nerfed.

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post May 30 2014, 02:02
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QUOTE(LeFlame-Befoe @ May 30 2014, 01:17) *

I saw a better mace selling for 100k somewhere yesterday...


I couldn't care less.
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post May 30 2014, 02:07
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QUOTE(kos9494 @ May 29 2014, 16:37) *

Note that this is based on the bandwagon in HV currently. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)
Some players prefer to gear themselves differently.
I'd believe LostLogia4 tried playing 1H+Phase and gave up halfway. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
Yes. However, only Counter-Parry stacks, the bonus for Damage and Parry doesn't.
That's the reason why most people are afraid of the next patch. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)
Though, I always have my DW+Shade sets on ready should 1H be nerfed.

Yeah, I've got a DW+Shade set that I slowly work on proficiency with... and my 2h skill is maxed anyway, so I'm just about ready no matter which style becomes the new king. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post May 30 2014, 02:17
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QUOTE(Drakewyn @ May 30 2014, 08:07) *

Yeah, I've got a DW+Shade set that I slowly work on proficiency with... and my 2h skill is maxed anyway, so I'm just about ready no matter which style becomes the new king. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)


Let's hope that 10boro will not nerf but buff all the other 3 fighting styles then. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

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In fact for DW, people rarely use Slaughter suffixed weapon as offhand simply because Balance/Nimble (High Offhand Strike/ High Parry) can be much more efficient for DW.


QUOTE(LeFlame-Befoe @ May 30 2014, 05:57) *

Huh?


It's because with Balance suffixed weapon *higher accuracy, your offhand strike chance goes as high as 100% and it ensures you an additional hit from your offhand. It'll be much better if your offhand is a Rapier since your PA proc. more often.

Nimble on the other hand has more parry which is a safer option.

Do note that, however, an IDEAL offhand weapon is usually a Rapier(PA Proc.)/ Wakizashi(highest acc. & parry roll)/ Shortsword(highest accuracy roll) and since they have low base ADB, even with Slaughter suffix their ADB won't go too far away.

In short, offhand weapons are mainly there for their accuracy/parry/proc. so ADB doesn't matter much here.

Note: This is the bandwagon style. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif) Some would even go for Swiftness / Battlecaster too.

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post May 30 2014, 02:39
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QUOTE(Hoheneim @ May 29 2014, 20:02) *

I couldn't care less.

Ow. Did you want to trade the Estoc?

QUOTE(kos9494 @ May 29 2014, 20:17) *

Let's hope that 10boro will not nerf but buff all the other 3 fighting styles then. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
It's because with Balance suffixed weapon *higher accuracy, your offhand strike chance goes as high as 100% and it ensures you an additional hit from your offhand. It'll be much better if your offhand is a Rapier since your PA proc. more often.

Nimble on the other hand has more parry which is a safer option.

Do note that, however, an IDEAL offhand weapon is usually a Rapier(PA Proc.)/Wakizashi(highest parry roll)/Shortsword(highest accuracy roll) and since they have low base ADB, even with Slaughter suffix their ADB won't go too far away.

In short, offhand weapons are mainly there for their accuracy/parry/proc. so ADB doesn't matter much here.

Note: This is the bandwagon style. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif) Some would even go for Swiftness too.

I get it now.

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post May 30 2014, 02:44
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Is it worth keeping (or sell to people) any special (power/shade/phase/force) gears if they are under superior quality? What about shield/kevlar/gossamer/tower? Or should I just toss them all to the NPC vendor?
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post May 30 2014, 02:49
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QUOTE(Numby @ May 30 2014, 08:44) *

Is it worth keeping (or sell to people) any special (power/shade/phase/force) gears if they are under superior quality? What about shield/kevlar/gossamer/tower? Or should I just toss them all to the NPC vendor?


Sometimes even a Mag. Force Shield can be tossed to bazaar if it has Sup Block chance roll.
It all depends on the equipment roll, frankly.

Even a Superior Power of Slaughter, with close to ExMax ADB and high STR/DEX roll, can sell for 6 digits.

As for all the obsolete items, you can sell them to those who are still looking for them.

Take a look at those WTB threads and you'll find some. Here's one of them. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

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post May 30 2014, 02:58
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QUOTE(kos9494 @ May 29 2014, 20:49) *

Sometimes even a Mag. Force Shield can be tossed to bazaar if it has Sup Block chance roll.
It all depends on the equipment roll, frankly.

Even a Superior Power of Slaughter, with close to ExMax ADB and high STR/DEX roll, can sell for 6 digits.


I know good quality can get bad rolls. I meant bad quality with good prefix/suffix. I have a good chunk of average power armors that I am having trouble tearing myself away from.

I recently found http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=159f95db99 and http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=1ed563103f which look pretty good.


QUOTE(kos9494 @ May 29 2014, 20:49) *


As for all the obsolete items, you can sell them to those who are still looking for them.

Take a look at those WTB threads and you'll find some. Here's one of them. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)


This looks like an interesting thread. Maybe I have something for him.
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post May 30 2014, 03:29
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QUOTE(Numby @ May 30 2014, 10:44) *

Is it worth keeping (or sell to people) any special (power/shade/phase/force) gears if they are under superior quality? What about shield/kevlar/gossamer/tower? Or should I just toss them all to the NPC vendor?

pieces that no longer drop can rise to high value in 1-2 years, especially when the game mechanism shifted and rich players want to experiment around.

As for T3, even at Superior, the only thing worth keeping is power slaughter since it's the only thing that can be sold with its main stats at Sup-. Everything else needs at least exquisite to generate some interest.

QUOTE(kos9494 @ May 30 2014, 10:49) *

Even a Superior Power of Slaughter, with close to ExMax ADB and high STR/DEX roll, can sell for 6 digits.


Superior gears with Exquisite Stats don't exist. The only reason you see them is due to Equipment Comparison inaccuracy.

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post May 30 2014, 04:42
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QUOTE(Cats Lover @ May 29 2014, 19:29) *

Quick calculation for assuming 1H Heavy. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Lv 500, peerless plate protections (unforged), AGI 700, END 1050
PMI from stats = 0.608696, PMI from 5 peerless plate protection = 0.626398
Total PMI = 85.3808%

Lv 500, peerless palte protections (x50 forged to both PMI and END), AGI 700, END 1210
PMI from stats = 0.634146, PMI from 5 peerless plate protection = 0.749002
Total PMI = 90.8171%


i know i can always count on you for math. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

though, it's still insane amount of Max stuff with max forged to get there. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif)
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post May 30 2014, 05:20
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QUOTE(kos9494 @ May 30 2014, 07:37) *
I'd believe LostLogia4 tried playing 1H+Phase and gave up halfway. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
Well, because I spent all my Mana pots and both of my Last Elixirs to IW a phase armament at Hell difficulty.
I probably don't need to if I go full mage really, but then again, I don't have a good enough battlecaster rapier to write home about and my 1H prof was at around 15's and Divine prof was around 60's at the time, so no banishment, no paradise, and I would've been pwned if I didn't have the OFC at the time. I think I'll need a better battlecaster rapier (fiery preferred) and a battlecaster bucker.

QUOTE(kos9494 @ May 30 2014, 07:37) *
Though, I always have my DW+Shade sets on ready should 1H be nerfed.
I have a set of rapier right here for my DW sets. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Exquisite Ethereal Rapier of Slaughter
Exquisite Hallowed Rapier of Slaughter
Exquisite Hallowed Rapier of Balance
Exquisite Ethereal Rapier of Balance
Exquisite Hallowed Rapier of the Battlecaster
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post May 30 2014, 07:52
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Thanks for the guide Kos! I'm defs saving that on word.

I'm getting a magn rapier of balance soon. For now, should I suit myself up with superior _ of slaughter equips? Also, would you recommend going DW or should I get a high blocking shield? (What shield would best suit a rapier? Or is blocking really the only thing I should be focusing on? I'm guessing 30%+ is decent here).

Thanks again!
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Troller-kun just have to make another darkmage againnnn... (>_<)

Scanning In Memory Of Dark Mages Mk4v3...
HP: 147233/147233 MP: 687/812 SP: 548/923
Monster Class: Giant, Power Level 1609
Monster Trainer: gc00018
Melee Attack: Crushing

Fire:+31% Cold:+31%
Elec:+3% Wind:+3%
Holy:+51% Dark:+51%
Crushing:+25% Slashing:+0% Piercing:-25%

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QUOTE(wwgenesis @ May 29 2014, 22:52) *

Thanks for the guide Kos! I'm defs saving that on word.

I'm getting a magn rapier of balance soon. For now, should I suit myself up with superior _ of slaughter equips? Also, would you recommend going DW or should I get a high blocking shield? (What shield would best suit a rapier? Or is blocking really the only thing I should be focusing on? I'm guessing 30%+ is decent here).

Thanks again!

You can get a decent Force shield (33%-35% Block) for 20-50k

If you go DW, you'll want to go Shade armor... Fleet & Shadowdancer are considered the ones to get there.

If you go 1h+shield, you'll probably want Power armor... Slaughter is good, but I recommend a mix of Protection & Warding if your 1h proficiency is still low. Get some decent stuff (I've got some Power pieces for sale... but you're going to want to get 1 Power piece a week from the Free Shop) an slowly replace it with Slaughter as you can afford it.
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post May 30 2014, 10:25
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QUOTE(LostLogia4 @ May 30 2014, 04:20) *

Well, because I spent all my Mana pots and both of my Last Elixirs to IW a phase armament at Hell difficulty.
I probably don't need to if I go full mage really, but then again, I don't have a good enough battlecaster rapier to write home about and my 1H prof was at around 15's and Divine prof was around 60's at the time, so no banishment, no paradise, and I would've been pwned if I didn't have the OFC at the time. I think I'll need a better battlecaster rapier (fiery preferred) and a battlecaster bucker.

I have a set of rapier right here for my DW sets. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Exquisite Ethereal Rapier of Slaughter
Exquisite Hallowed Rapier of Slaughter
Exquisite Hallowed Rapier of Balance
Exquisite Ethereal Rapier of Balance
Exquisite Hallowed Rapier of the Battlecaster


Rapier for 1H+Phase won't work because there's no hybrid synergy between casting spells and PA. Try a Battlecaster club; currently in a Nintendo Arena with some decent results. Gonna be even better if I can upgrade the club itself and buy a Battlecaster Buckler with good Block roll.
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post May 30 2014, 10:39
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QUOTE(Aegnor Alkarin @ May 30 2014, 18:25) *

Rapier for 1H+Phase won't work because there's no hybrid synergy between casting spells and PA. Try a Battlecaster club; currently in a Nintendo Arena with some decent results. Gonna be even better if I can upgrade the club itself and buy a Battlecaster Buckler with good Block roll.

rapier has the highest parry. shortswrord is also an alternative, though it has slightly lower parry. Club has no synergy with either 1H or phase (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

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