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May 3 2014, 16:36
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(kos9494 @ May 3 2014, 16:35)  Once I got FRD, might try out double shortsword of swiftness style and IW a SS 4~5 on both of them. and see. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) sword and rapier at this point...
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May 3 2014, 17:20
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Cleavs
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yes. ai's shielding set have 61 or so block chance for example...
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May 3 2014, 18:39
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kos9494
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ May 3 2014, 23:20)  yes. ai's shielding set have 61 or so block chance for example...
I mean, without Shield but just Shielding Plates? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
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May 3 2014, 18:58
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kawaiikun
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Hi guys, right now im trying to get a lot of deprecating/Elmental magic profficiency, do you have any kind of tips to do it fast and secure, should i get light armor and a staff? (anyone haves superior/ exquisites cloth armor to spare some time please?)
Edit: im just spaming weaken and drain right now (with a script) on a average item world on normal with heavy armor and a battlecaster mace
This post has been edited by kawaiikun: May 3 2014, 19:00
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May 3 2014, 19:03
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something
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QUOTE(kawaiikun @ May 3 2014, 12:58)  Hi guys, right now im trying to get a lot of deprecating/Elmental magic profficiency, do you have any kind of tips to do it fast and secure, should i get light armor and a staff? (anyone haves superior/ exquisites cloth armor to spare some time please?)
Edit: im just spaming weaken and drain right now (with a script) on a average item world on normal with heavy armor and a battlecaster mace
QUOTE(something @ Apr 20 2014, 12:20)  to build any prof ridiculously easy, go against the trio & the tree and attack everyone but the tree. if you're lucky the tree will be at the top or bottom, so you never have to worry about killing anyone. if you're a mage you can just spam t1 spells and ether tap all day.(edit: this trick doesn't work that well for grinding 2h prof. you're pretty much stuck doing it the hard way)
you can also go against high difficulty real life as a mage and take 10 years to kill it w/o imperil and only t1 spells
you'll need to unlock trio & the tree of course This post has been edited by something: May 3 2014, 19:04
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May 3 2014, 19:06
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(kos9494 @ May 3 2014, 18:39)  I mean, without Shield but just Shielding Plates? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) yes, they add block chance, so why not? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) QUOTE(kawaiikun @ May 3 2014, 18:58)  Hi guys, right now im trying to get a lot of deprecating/Elmental magic profficiency, do you have any kind of tips to do it fast and secure, should i get light armor and a staff? (anyone haves superior/ exquisites cloth armor to spare some time please?)
Edit: im just spaming weaken and drain right now (with a script) on a average item world on normal with heavy armor and a battlecaster mace
at your current level you should spam spells of those categories, go for the cheapest of each to do the trick the highest number of times possible until you run completely out of mana (potions included). as for cloths, you're still eligible to ask to FS, otherwise (just to not advertise my own shop (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) ) you may want to make a ride here (my cloth armor section) or here (my free items section); staffs of focus and frugal clothes help, but they aren't really needed. This post has been edited by Scremaz: May 3 2014, 19:07
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May 3 2014, 19:08
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LostLogia4
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QUOTE(kos9494 @ May 4 2014, 00:39)  I mean, without Shield but just Shielding Plates? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) You can, but chances are pretty low unless if you wears several of them together. The shielding plate armors have single-digit block chance, ya see. QUOTE(kawaiikun @ May 4 2014, 00:58)  Hi guys, right now im trying to get a lot of deprecating/Elmental magic profficiency, do you have any kind of tips to do it fast and secure, should i get light armor and a staff? (anyone haves superior/ exquisites cloth armor to spare some time please?)
For depreciating prof you can get the highest Faster Weaken Ability and Mind Control as high as you could and Sleep-em and spam the Weaken on them till your MP pools gives out in the first rounds of Grindfest. Elemental profs is a bit harder, as you need to grind really hard for it. You'll need to use T2 spells once it's available, and since Coalesced Mana did half your chance of getting prof (but you can indeed spam a spell twice to make it even), you wouldn't make that your main target. Cloth and Light Armor is fair game, but heavy armor isn't. Also, no offense, something, but elemental, divine/forbidden spell prof isn't as easy to grind as you might think. Case in point, it takes all my maging career to get Elemental 150 and days just to grind 50 prof for Divine/Forbidden. This post has been edited by LostLogia4: May 3 2014, 19:12
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May 3 2014, 19:09
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kawaiikun
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ May 3 2014, 12:06)  yes, they add block chance, so why not? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) at your current level you should spam spells of those categories, go for the cheapest of each to do the trick the highest number of times possible until you run completely out of mana (potions included). as for cloths, you're still eligible to ask to FS, otherwise (just to not advertise my own shop (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) ) you may want to make a ride here (my cloth armor section) or here (my free items section); staffs of focus and frugal clothes help, but they aren't really needed. No more drain for i guess i will take a look at your shop then
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May 3 2014, 19:11
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malkatmp
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QUOTE(kos9494 @ May 3 2014, 18:39)  I mean, without Shield but just Shielding Plates? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) yes. if you actually look at etothex's Niten stats from your signature. he actually get 11% block from his boots. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) QUOTE(kawaiikun @ May 3 2014, 18:58)  Hi guys, right now im trying to get a lot of deprecating/Elmental magic profficiency, do you have any kind of tips to do it fast and secure, should i get light armor and a staff? (anyone haves superior/ exquisites cloth armor to spare some time please?)
Edit: im just spaming weaken and drain right now (with a script) on a average item world on normal with heavy armor and a battlecaster mace
imo, i'll just get a cheap light/cloth set (or use whatever you've) & spam spells on 1st page Arenas@Hell. ie killing enemies with spells only. no melee. Grindfest is okay too, but i like to get more credits. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) This post has been edited by malkatmp: May 3 2014, 19:14
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May 3 2014, 19:20
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kawaiikun
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QUOTE(LostLogia4 @ May 3 2014, 12:08)  You can, but chances are pretty low unless if you wears several of them together. The shielding plate armors have single-digit block chance, ya see.
For depreciating prof you can get the highest Faster Weaken Ability and Mind Control as high as you could and Sleep-em and spam the Weaken on them till your MP pools gives out in the first rounds of Grindfest.
Elemental profs is a bit harder, as you need to grind really hard for it. You'll need to use T2 spells once it's available, and since Coalesced Mana did half your chance of getting prof (but you can indeed spam a spell twice to make it even), you wouldn't make that your main target. Cloth and Light Armor is fair game, but heavy armor isn't.
Also, no offense, something, but elemental, divine/forbidden spell prof isn't as easy to grind as you might think. Case in point, it takes all my maging career to get Elemental 150 and days just to grind 50 prof for Divine/Forbidden.
So it does take a whole of time to do it :s
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May 3 2014, 19:21
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kos9494
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ May 4 2014, 01:06)  yes, they add block chance, so why not? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) QUOTE(LostLogia4 @ May 4 2014, 01:08)  You can, but chances are pretty low unless if you wears several of them together. The shielding plate armors have single-digit block chance, ya see. you wouldn't make that your main target. Cloth and Light Armor is fair game, but heavy armor isn't.
QUOTE(malkatmp @ May 4 2014, 01:11)  yes. if you actually look at etothex's Niten stats from your signature. he actually get 11% block from his boots. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) Ohhh I see I see. Yeah I asked that exactly because I noticed sir etothex having 11% block without shield... (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) This post has been edited by kos9494: May 3 2014, 19:21
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May 3 2014, 19:28
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LostLogia4
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QUOTE(kawaiikun @ May 4 2014, 01:20)  So it does take a whole of time to do it :s Theoretically you can get them within hours of full-time playing with a good Net connection if your level is high enough, but even at my level the Divine+Forbidden prof is quite a pain in the arse to raise... (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)
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May 3 2014, 19:32
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(kos9494 @ May 3 2014, 19:21)  Ohhh I see I see. Yeah I asked that exactly because I noticed sir etothex having 11% block without shield... (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) the only aftermath is that even with full leg shielding (not forged) you'd have 25 base block, but in stead of a shitty power you may still add a good shielding...
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May 3 2014, 19:38
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etothex
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Actually the legs in that pic are old shield armor legs, w/ much better block than today's shielding plate. And yes, you can block w/ it. Here's 2h.  Hmm I need to find a good +block chestplate. Sabs too.  Miss the days when bleed was broken. Load up on plate and shield armor, play iwbth, do shit damage, and your bleeds do 5x as much.
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May 3 2014, 19:40
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kos9494
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ May 4 2014, 01:32)  the only aftermath is that even with full leg shielding (not forged) you'd have 25 base block, but in stead of a shitty power you may still add a good shielding...
Heavy armor has shit ability and Block is no different from Evade without Counter Attack. So instead of full shielding for getting block chance, I might as well use full (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/wub.gif) Shade (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/wub.gif) or pump-your-attack-by-50% Power. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) QUOTE(etothex @ May 4 2014, 01:38)  Actually the legs in that pic are old shield armor legs, w/ much better block than today's shielding plate. And yes, you can block w/ it. Here's 2h.
NUUUUOOOOOHHHHH~~~~~~!!!!!! This post has been edited by kos9494: May 3 2014, 19:42
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May 3 2014, 19:51
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catdrag0n
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ May 3 2014, 14:42)  exactly in which point(s), if i can ask? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) we do our best to try and make them as easy to understand as possible, and also make a post everytime we do major changes, but if that's not enough tell us where we're in fault. making a post here if you don't want to go too much off-topic in this thread is also good. I didn't mean it a bad way, just that the rules might be a bit "intricate" when you go there for the first time. So it was more like an advice: read the rules carefully before requesting anything. That's all ^^ Just said that because before I left HV for a long time, the free shops (jarun's mostly) needed less rules since it was just something to get started, pretty much useless once you reached level 100-150. Nothing compared to the stuff in the free shop now (exquisite SD shades with 4PAB, shitloads of superior ethereals, pretty crazy xD.
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May 3 2014, 20:18
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(catdrag0n @ May 3 2014, 19:51)  I didn't mean it a bad way, just that the rules might be a bit "intricate" when you go there for the first time. So it was more like an advice: read the rules carefully before requesting anything.
all those rules are meant to put order into chaos. OO OOHMMMMM... (IMG:[küttner.at] http://küttner.at/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/ohm.jpeg) we wanted to help newbies but obviously there's a limit to what it can be done without compromising their understanding/the economy of the game and of all other shops: we put up all those because they should have already acted as a sort of way to understand if a request is legit or not, but it seems it didn't work as we expected... recently a (very kind, if i have to say it) user told me that part of all those misunderstandings is due to the fact that many people here are using different alphabets, so their knowledge of rules may be limited also by bad english: it may be true, let's see... QUOTE(catdrag0n @ May 3 2014, 19:51)  Just said that because before I left HV for a long time, the free shops (jarun's mostly) needed less rules since it was just something to get started, pretty much useless once you reached level 100-150. Nothing compared to the stuff in the free shop now (exquisite SD shades with 4PAB, shitloads of superior ethereals, pretty crazy xD.
yeh, to be honest i'm a bit against that thing too, there should be an upper cap other than a lower one (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) but however, if someone wants to give it away for free because he for somewhat reason donesn't like it, well - it can't be helped...
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May 3 2014, 21:06
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simrock87
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QUOTE(LostLogia4 @ May 3 2014, 19:28)  Theoretically you can get them within hours of full-time playing with a good Net connection if your level is high enough, but even at my level the Divine+Forbidden prof is quite a pain in the arse to raise... (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) Just a hint, since i had to go through this just a couple days ago... Grab some (defensive) heavy armor and a focus staff, load up with as many mana potions as you can, then go into the highest difficulty GF where your Regen is enough to restore the damage you take (Hell for me) and spam away. You won't do much damage since you're lacking +dmg, thus more spells per round and less stamina used (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) Also the spell costs are high, so you gain prof more easily and take less damage from plate armor. Just keep Regen and Haste up and you should be fine. This gave me about 10 prof per 20 rounds (rarely got any further before running out of pots (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)) When prof gains start to slow down, swith the focus staff for something with high interference (do note, that 1h blocks also deal damage) to up the mana cost and subsequently prof gain chances. If you need to raise light armor (doesn't work as good with cloth) as well, just switch the heavy armor for leather and maybe fiddle around with the buffs to make sure you still survive.
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May 3 2014, 21:52
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ferociousmoon
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for 2-H which is btter?
mace or estoc?
lately i saw so many people going for mace. been trying to buy one, but the price keep jumping to 400~500k for ex ethereal
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