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post Apr 21 2014, 13:42
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Apr 21 2014, 18:07) *

shouldn't we put the rule: no tokens for gc? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)


Mmm..last time pre-patch some people call for Stony to be banned from the lottery (not downright banned but want tough measures against rich people dominating the lottery). But of course, no matter what TenB won't do this because it defeats the purpose of lotto as a gp sink.

Maybe this time we could lobby for a limit on chaos tokens where

"a player can't have more than n number of tokens, where n is the total number of tokens used in currently active monsters and in possession"

and of course, to make it better for CG, we introduce:

"monsters can be deleted regardless of levels, with 50% round down chaos tokens returned"

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post Apr 21 2014, 14:02
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QUOTE(LOL50015 @ Apr 21 2014, 13:42) *

Mmm..last time pre-patch some people call for Stony to be banned from the lottery (not downright banned but want tough measures against rich people dominating the lottery). But of course, no matter what TenB won't do this because it defeats the purpose of lotto as a gp sink.

Maybe this time we could lobby for a limit on chaos tokens where

"a player can't have more than n number of tokens, where n is the total number of tokens used in currently active monsters and in possession"

and of course, to make it better for CG, we introduce:

"monsters can be deleted regardless of levels, with 50% round down chaos tokens returned"

too bad we aren't in FS, i would surely have MOAR power! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

seriously speaking, varst is connected so what does he think about this question? isn't all that monopoly in lottery prizes overall bad? or is it that we are blind enough not to see the whole scheme?

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post Apr 21 2014, 14:10
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Apr 21 2014, 20:02) *

too bad we aren't in FS, i would surely have MOAR power! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

seriously speaking, varst is connected so what does he think about this question? isn't all that monopoly in lottery prizes overall bad? or is it that we are blind enough not to see the whole scheme?


What is FS?

Well, IIRC Varst ( I may also remember incorrectly), doesn't care much about it.

Opps, sorry but Varst has said quite a lot about this.

Old lotto thread:

https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showtopic=152797

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post Apr 21 2014, 14:21
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Apr 21 2014, 18:07) *
shouldn't we put the rule: no tokens for gc? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
Unfortunately, no. It's his choice whether to feed his already stupidly overpowered monsters with them. That is, until all of his monsters have reached it's full potential after millions of crystals and thousands of tokens... a monster with maxed out Chaos Upgrades and PL is a scare thought really regardless of it's class.

Ther bottom line is, they have to be nerfed, and have the gifts be given without the adventurer hunting thingy eventually, otherwise I'm gonna have to quit this game... not that Tenboro care anyways...
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post Apr 21 2014, 14:23
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there's pros & cons to every system. however, it seems like winning the 4th or5th prize is a lot more attractive than the 2nd & 3rd (sometimes including the 1st). i guess we'll just hv to wait & see what happens next.

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post Apr 21 2014, 14:31
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QUOTE(LostLogia4 @ Apr 21 2014, 20:21) *

Unfortunately, no. It's his choice whether to feed his already stupidly overpowered monsters with them. That is, until all of his monsters have reached it's full potential after millions of crystals and thousands of tokens... a monster with maxed out Chaos Upgrades and PL is a scare thought really regardless of it's class.

Ther bottom line is, they have to be nerfed, and have the gifts be given without the adventurer hunting thingy eventually, otherwise I'm gonna have to quit this game... not that Tenboro care anyways...


Well, looking at Skillchip's sig, it seems he tried to get giants nefted but it looks like it failed.
But I don't know any more about this other than what his sig says lol.

Well, a lot people has tried to change things here but unfortunately if the rest of the members won't help themselves and back them up, then no one will.
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post Apr 21 2014, 14:32
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Apr 21 2014, 21:02) *

seriously speaking, varst is connected so what does he think about this question? isn't all that monopoly in lottery prizes overall bad? or is it that we are blind enough not to see the whole scheme?

Lottery is created for "GP Sink" after all. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Maybe this thread will answer you.
https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showtopic=152797
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post Apr 21 2014, 14:34
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QUOTE(Cats Lover @ Apr 21 2014, 20:32) *

Lottery is created for "GP Sink" after all. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Maybe this thread will answer you.
https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showtopic=152797


^^
this the thread I linked lol

And my auction will end in 1 hour: https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showtopic=164954

Anyone wants to artificially inflate the price?
Though you will end up paying for it if no one outbids you (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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post Apr 21 2014, 14:37
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QUOTE(LOL50015 @ Apr 21 2014, 14:10) *

What is FS?

FS is the infamous FreeSHop, and i'm one of its staff members. every now and then i add some despotic rules only to use the power i own (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool2.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool2.gif) but that's not all that bed of roses...

QUOTE(LOL50015 @ Apr 21 2014, 14:10) *

Well, IIRC Varst ( I may also remember incorrectly), doesn't care much about it.

Opps, sorry but Varst has said quite a lot about this.

Old lotto thread:

https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showtopic=152797

woah... 14 pages in my current conditions, with a couple other topics in it are a bit too much... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)
but judging from some posts here and there it seems to me that poors are complaining, richs are complaining that poors are complaining and tell them to become rich and join them, varst told that some things here have a certain purpose but richs but also that richs are easy to talk and tenb... well at least is justifiable from him to create GP/credit sinks.

have i forgot/mistook something?
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post Apr 21 2014, 14:39
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QUOTE(LOL50015 @ Apr 21 2014, 14:31) *

Well, looking at Skillchip's sig, it seems he tried to get giants nefted but it looks like it failed.
But I don't know any more about this other than what his sig says lol.

Well, a lot people has tried to change things here but unfortunately if the rest of the members won't help themselves and back them up, then no one will.


i don't think people it's about people not wanting change. it's about people wanting different things. at the end of the day, you can't nerf stuff because a group of people don't like it, because then you'll just anger a group of guys who just got nerfed.

no matter what 10B does, people will get angry. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

QUOTE(Scremaz @ Apr 21 2014, 14:37) *

have i forgot/mistook something?


imo, that's the gist of it. also, somewhere in there they talked about duplicate accounts.

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post Apr 21 2014, 14:42
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Apr 21 2014, 20:37) *

FS is the infamous FreeSHop, and i'm one of its staff members. every now and then i add some despotic rules only to use the power i own (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool2.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool2.gif) but that's not all that bed of roses...


Oh, I though it was abbreviated FSH.

Yeah, I understand, dealing with players with 10 nifheim gear and requesting for 2 power armour. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

But even there animeai calls the real shots (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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post Apr 21 2014, 15:07
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QUOTE(LostLogia4 @ Apr 21 2014, 14:21) *

Unfortunately, no. It's his choice whether to feed his already stupidly overpowered monsters with them. That is, until all of his monsters have reached it's full potential after millions of crystals and thousands of tokens... a monster with maxed out Chaos Upgrades and PL is a scare thought really regardless of it's class.

The bottom line is, they have to be nerfed, and have the gifts be given without the adventurer hunting thingy eventually, otherwise I'm gonna have to quit this game... not that Tenboro care anyways...

yep, a big HP tank is really a pina in the ass to deal with. but it's really fair for a player to have doubled slots, AND also the chance to gain all chaos tokens he wants, AND also all the monsters he wants, AND...?

QUOTE(LOL50015 @ Apr 21 2014, 14:31) *

Well, a lot people has tried to change things here but unfortunately if the rest of the members won't help themselves and back them up, then no one will.

that's sad. maybe i'm only thinking like donchisciotte, but i always hated the 'money power' way of thinking (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

QUOTE(malkatmp @ Apr 21 2014, 14:23) *

there's pros & cons to every system.

malka of both scales part 1 (no offense intended, i think you're actually right here) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

QUOTE(malkatmp @ Apr 21 2014, 14:39) *

i don't think people it's about people not wanting change. it's about people wanting different things. at the end of the day, you can't nerf stuff because a group of people don't like it, because then you'll just anger a group of guys who just got nerfed.

no matter what 10B does, people will get angry. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

malka of both scales part 2 (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

heck, that's how democracy works: i perfectly know that he can't make all people happy, but i'd like to remember him that the money needed to run servers come also from advertising, that every player see (if not paying the hath perk). i'd really like to know the advertising/donation gains ratio...

QUOTE(Tenboro @ Dec 25 2013, 13:41) *

So if you don't like the lottery, I suggest you pretend it's not there. It doesn't affect the game in any significant way. The lottery gear makes up on average 5% of all legendary/peerless equipment created on a given day.

iirc, that's not completely true, at least for peerless. i really can't remember where i read it, but i clearly remember tenboro saying that generated peerless are about even between game drop and lottery. maybe now it may be a 2:1 ratio, but we're still talking of a way big amount of peerless (25~30%) generated from lottery. i can also think that to win a peerless you may have to buy 5000 or even 10000 tickets, but with auctioning it you would be not so losing anymore...

QUOTE(LOL50015 @ Apr 21 2014, 14:42) *

Oh, I though it was abbreviated FSH.

Yeah, I understand, dealing with players with 10 nifheim gear and requesting for 2 power armour. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

But even there animeai calls the real shots (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

ai is the mastermind, he gives hath for lottery, gives most of the time sending and recieving objects, teams up with coders... he does so many things, to the point he's not a matter of 'money power' anymore... surely he is the coordinator and he actually is the most pissed out, but keep in mind that everyone of us may edit FS posts (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

i need you to believe me in this, but he was a bit more liberal before i (sometimes also piyin, so i suppoes also other staff members) started to point out blacklist, ban and cooldown problems. i remember to have assigned myself a longer cooldown than needed to the user who requested 3 phases at once, and the other cases were added lately, it's only a matter of who wants to be the bad cop, one time for me, one time for you...

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post Apr 21 2014, 15:28
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Apr 21 2014, 03:07) *

heck, that's how democracy works: i perfectly know that he can't make all people happy, but i'd like to remember him that the money needed to run servers come also from advertising, that every player see (if not paying the hath perk). i'd really like to know the advertising/donation gains ratio...


The people seeing the site are generating the costs, too many people also use ad block software. Is the freeshop turning everyone into a communist?

QUOTE(Scremaz @ Apr 21 2014, 03:07) *

iirc, that's not completely true, at least for peerless. i really can't remember where i read it, but i clearly remember tenboro saying that generated peerless are about even between game drop and lottery. maybe now it may be a 2:1 ratio, but we're still talking of a way big amount of peerless (25~30%) generated from lottery. i can also think that to win a peerless you may have to buy 5000 or even 10000 tickets, but with auctioning it you would be not so losing anymore...


Tenboro can see the Matrix source and we can't, so saying he's wrong about drop rates is silly if he has checked recently. Some people win with only a few tickets, its all probability. It has also created a huge deflationary effect.

2013 had gigantic inflation and would have murdered all the new players in the long run. Win or don't win, there are always some people crying for inane reasons, usually 'I didn't win therefore Lotto is unfair'.

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QUOTE(EsotericSatire @ Apr 21 2014, 15:28) *

there are always some people crying for inane reasons, usually 'I didn't win therefore Lotto is unfair'.

you're right, my way of thinking may be compromised because i didn't ever bid more than 50 tickets yet i still pretend to win.
but surely the opposite way of thinking 'i did win, so lottery is actually fair' isn't good either.

and no, i'm not a communist, maybe only too old to remain an idealist as i used to be... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Apr 21 2014, 16:05
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Apr 21 2014, 21:07) *
yep, a big HP tank is really a PAIN in the ass to deal with. but it's really fair for a player to have doubled slots, AND also the chance to gain all chaos tokens he wants, AND also all the monsters he wants, AND...?
All the ultimate equips so he can play an Angel, if not God himself in Hentaiverse?

QUOTE(EsotericSatire @ Apr 21 2014, 21:28) *
i need you to believe me in this, but he was a bit more liberal before i (sometimes also piyin, so i suppoes also other staff members) started to point out blacklist, ban and cooldown problems. i remember to have assigned myself a longer cooldown than needed to the user who requested 3 phases at once, and the other cases were added lately, it's only a matter of who wants to be the bad cop, one time for me, one time for you...
Due to the newbie's sense of entitlement? When someone opens a free equip shop there is bound to be someone stupid enough to scrutinize the whole shop for the best equip but not the terms.

QUOTE(EsotericSatire @ Apr 21 2014, 21:28) *
2013 had gigantic inflation and would have murdered all the new players in the long run. Win or don't win, there are always some people crying for insane reasons, usually 'I didn't win therefore Lotto is unfair'.
Why, it's only unfair cuz there are only five winning lottery ticket really, but then again, I'd say the real-world lotto would've been a different level of "unfair" cuz you need to purchase them with real money. Lotteries are supposed to be a gamble, why should this one in particular be any different?

Speaking of inflation, I think there has been a huge inflation in Bindings of Slaughters, Destruction's and Crystallized Phazons according to a few posts back I think.

QUOTE(Scremaz @ Apr 21 2014, 21:35) *
you're right, my way of thinking may be compromised because i didn't ever bid more than 50 tickets yet i still pretend to win.
but surely the opposite way of thinking 'i did win, so lottery is actually fair' isn't good either.
Why, I've spent around 1 mega GP or so for today's lotto and didn't even have the slightest clue (or even a chance) of my odds of winning the consolation prices, let alone the grand prize I've been drooling for. I'd say it's probably the best not to get too attached to things.

QUOTE(Scremaz @ Apr 21 2014, 21:35) *
and no, i'm not a communist, maybe only too old to remain an idealist as i used to be... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
Silly Rabbit, Idealism Is for Kids... yeah, with knowledge comes pragmatism really.

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Concerning the pony figurines, am I supposed to shrine them or do I have to keep them in my inventory to (eventually) get the Orbital Friendship Cannon ?
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post Apr 21 2014, 16:23
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Concerning the pony figurines, am I supposed to shrine them or do I have to keep them in my inventory to (eventually) get the Orbital Friendship Cannon ?


keep, don't shrine.
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QUOTE(pwet @ Apr 21 2014, 16:18) *

Concerning the pony figurines, am I supposed to shrine them or do I have to keep them in my inventory to (eventually) get the Orbital Friendship Cannon ?


please Do Not Shrine pony figurines. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif)

you can:

1) keep them & once you collect 21 different ones you'll automatically get Orbital Friendship Cannon
2) sell them in WTB section. it ranges from 65-100k, depends on who's buying.

QUOTE(EsotericSatire @ Apr 21 2014, 15:28) *

The people seeing the site are generating the costs, too many people also use ad block software. Is the freeshop turning everyone into a communist?


everyone's a communist/capitalist/socialist/anarchist/environmentalist/etc, until it doesn't work their way.

also, as a friendly reminder, there's an easy way to win in HV:

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go look at the multi-terabyte worth of Porn here. it's FREE. there's porn for EVERY single fucking fetish out there. it's like winning the lottery every single day. oh, did i mention the best part? It's FREE.


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also, as a friendly reminder, there's an easy way to win in HV:

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go look at the multi-terabyte worth of Porn here. it's FREE. there's porn for EVERY single fucking fetish out there. it's like winning the lottery every single day. oh, did i mention the best part? It's FREE.


(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)


What do we do when we've enjoyed it all?

On a side note, 4 proficiency away from 50 and the juicy t2 spells (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

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QUOTE(malkatmp @ Apr 21 2014, 22:27) *
please Do Not Shrine pony figurines. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif)
You know, there's a script for that...

QUOTE(malkatmp @ Apr 21 2014, 22:27) *
everyone's a communist/capitalist/socialist/anarchist/environmentalist/etc, until it doesn't work their way.
Right... I've certainly heard of people like that in the world history...

QUOTE(bellyzard @ Apr 21 2014, 22:42) *
On a side note, 4 proficiency away from 50 and the juicy t2 spells (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
I've just reached Elemental proficiency of 150 this morning by spamming the hell outta the Tier 2 spells, have to cast all four of them, thanks to the goddamnationed cooldown. I very much dread about have to raise the Divine+Forbidden prof to 200 just for the Paradise Lost and Ragnarok...

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