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post Apr 6 2014, 14:34
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QUOTE(something @ Apr 6 2014, 11:39) *

4. don't upgrade intelligence again till you hit level 200.


A long time ago I tried calculating the EXP cost to raise the primary attributes. EXP a player will get when they lower their PA from 80% to 60% of their level would only be enough to raise another attribute by a few points (2%~3%). That's why I'd suggest people not to go below 80%: the gain's kinda minimal beyond that.

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Well I thank them too. thanks to them I can create a training cost calculation spreadsheet here
But is there's anyone who would thank me for my spreadsheet which lists the training costs and integrate them into Artifact Drops calculation spreadsheet here? Probably not till I made them easily accessible...


I'd rather have a js script or just write a VBA by myself. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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post Apr 6 2014, 14:37
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QUOTE(catdrag0n @ Apr 6 2014, 13:55) *

I'm about to turn level 250 and unlock TTT, is there anything I should be aware of?

I already have enough tokens saved up so I plan to go there on low difficulty first, to ensure my 200k reward. But what's the strategy of IWBTH/PFUDOR?


i died on my first TTT battle. FSM hits pretty hard & Yggdrasil heals all other monsters.

imo, try to do it on Normal just to get the 1st time clearance bonus. haven't done it in a while, but i've always killed Yggdrasil first, then all the other "normal" weaker monsters, then the tougher ones.

use protection/SOL/SS/regan/haste/shadow veil ON all times. bring plenty of Health/Mana/Spirit potions too.

anyway, enjoy your 200k & free noodly. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Apr 6 2014, 14:41
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Apr 6 2014, 20:16) *
lowest difficulty possible, ethereal mace with high stun chance, a couple of infusions, a bit of debuffs every now and then, Haste, SoL, Shadow Veil, Regen and Protection active all the time.
at time i did it with a mace of balance if i remember correct and still was quite easy, only a bit annoying due to that die-hard FSM. oh, and don't expect any trophy from scroogy dragons (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
Yep, no need to bother wasting your tokens challenging them on IWBTH, unless if you're really love that lava-hot of a challenge.
Also, for mages, Ragnarok...uh, no, burn down the Yggdrasil first. It should've been Flame of Surtr... then keep the Weaken up for the sisters, lest your health will fall apart real quick.

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QUOTE(kos9494 @ Apr 6 2014, 18:00) *
So... Why Level 250 specifically? Is it because at Level 250 one can get some bonuses equal to 100 procs on both 2H and DW?
All of both 2H and DW abilities will be fully unlocked by then, which is to say, all of Niten-Ichiryuu's abilities. Theoretically you can start as early as Level 200, or maybe even lower once you have 120 prof for both, but it's ill-adviced to start using it for good below Level 250 at least, cuz there's a certain guy who's even noobier than you who niten-ed all the way to Level 111, and get nada of a proc as a result.
level 200 is good enough, but at level 250 you fully upgrade the damage granted by 2H style
Like I said, up your proc as high as possible. Niten-Ichi ryuu benefits from 2H and DW procs, so you'll want them to be at least 100-120 by the time you started using them for good. You'll get Tier 3 skills for both 2H and DW, so that's a good start.

QUOTE(Scremaz @ Apr 6 2014, 20:16) *
lol, someone even worst than me though (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
i used to rock my way for a half hundred lv till 160 or so with niten, switching every now and then but noting very bad stats as consequence. even now, it could still be my most powerful set, but i didn't use it since then and too scrooge to train another equip slot (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
It's so awesome that you just threw the weapon proficiency gains straight out of window, huh?
As for me, I started barefisted, then used nothing but DW, too poor to afford a daisho (katana-wakizashi pair) back then, then I jumped ship to mage up until Level 150 or so when I noticed how squishy the mage setup really is, so I collected the Arcanist Armaments.
All the HV experience aside, how many equip slots do you have?

QUOTE(Scremaz @ Apr 6 2014, 20:16) *
keep going with both DW and 2H at your level, when you'll be about lv200 or so start think about a 1H. meanwhile, nobody forbid you to assemble a heavy/1H/shield build if you manage to find good/cheap enough pieces
I call that "Holy Sword" stance. No stars for guessing where the term come from.

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post Apr 6 2014, 14:51
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QUOTE(LostLogia4 @ Apr 6 2014, 13:41) *

Also, for mages, Ragnarok...uh, no, burn down the Yggdrasil first. It should've been Flame of Surtr... then keep the Weaken up for the sisters, lest your health will fall apart real quick.

actually, since healing is SP attack of Yggdrasil, you can just keep it silenced everytime, it's also funnier that way (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

QUOTE(LostLogia4 @ Apr 6 2014, 13:41) *

It's so awesome that you just threw the weapon proficiency gains straight out of window, huh?

well, i guess that's also good experience, and to be so low helped me to raise them quicker (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

QUOTE(LostLogia4 @ Apr 6 2014, 13:41) *

All the HV experience aside, how many equip slots do you have?

i also started with shade of arcanist, btw. i was thrilled by low ITR but one piece a time i switched to a good fleet set.
4 slots. and good enough, you made me note that on the first there's still my niten-straight leather set, quite ready to go (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Apr 6 2014, 14:53
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Mages against TT&T:

On normal: It should be easy if you're a holy mage.
- Silence everything
- magnet FSM and dragons
- imperil main targets
- kill the tree
- avoid killing the sisters first
and it should be fine.

On PFUDOR: The strategy's the same except everything hurts, so you'd also need weaken.

QUOTE(Scremaz @ Apr 6 2014, 20:51) *

actually, since healing is SP attack of Yggdrasil, you can just keep it silenced everytime, it's also funnier that way (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)


Dangerous strategy as silence has CD.

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post Apr 6 2014, 15:07
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Apr 6 2014, 20:51) *
actually, since healing is SP attack of Yggdrasil, you can just keep it silenced everytime, it's also funnier that way (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
Healing, yes, but for Absorbing Ward, that's gonna shake the mages a bit, or worse if the absorbing wand stays up all the time.
QUOTE(Scremaz @ Apr 6 2014, 20:51) *
well, i guess that's also good experience, and to be so low helped me to raise them quicker (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
Well, good thing that level disparity ups proc level chance, huh?
QUOTE(Scremaz @ Apr 6 2014, 20:51) *
i also started with shade of arcanist, btw. i was thrilled by low ITR but one piece a time i switched to a good fleet set.
4 slots. and good enough, you made me note that on the first there's still my niten-straight leather set, quite ready to go (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
Arcanist Armaments are made for mages and casters, and it works best served alongside an Ethereal Staff of Destruction. Mind you, this setup didn't far well in a battle of attrition, but it's better than, say use Aether Shards on every single heavy armor for every single random encounters.
Speaking of a daisho, I can afford them now, both ethereals. In Japanese though, the kanji for "tenkuu", which means "ethereal" as in "ether", can also means "sky", what with both letters literally means sky, the former is heaven (天), the latter is void(空).

QUOTE(varst @ Apr 6 2014, 20:53) *
Mages against TT&T:
On normal: It should be easy if you're a holy mage.
- Silence everything
- magnet FSM and dragons
- imperil main targets
- kill the tree
- avoid killing the sisters first
and it should be fine.
On PFUDOR: The strategy's the same except everything hurts, so you'd also need weaken.
Well, I'm a jack-of-all-stat Elemental-Ethereal mage, so this strategy helps tremendously for me.
Anyway, you don't fight four, but 10 enemies here.

QUOTE(varst @ Apr 6 2014, 20:53) *
Dangerous strategy as silence has CD.
Which means you can't silence Yggdrasil all the time. Sounds like a good plan for melee, but for a mage like me, not so much.

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post Apr 6 2014, 15:08
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QUOTE(varst @ Apr 6 2014, 13:53) *

Dangerous strategy as silence has CD.

indeed. actually i wrote 'funnier', not 'safer' (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post Apr 6 2014, 15:25
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QUOTE(varst @ Apr 6 2014, 20:53) *
The strategy's the same except everything hurts.
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Apr 6 2014, 21:08) *
QUOTE(varst @ Apr 6 2014, 20:53) *
Dangerous strategy as silence has CD.
indeed. actually i wrote 'funnier', not 'safer' (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
I think our long-hair-con here had created (or revived) a pair of memes here in Hentaiverse.

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post Apr 6 2014, 15:34
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QUOTE(LostLogia4 @ Apr 6 2014, 14:07) *

Well, good thing that level disparity ups proc level chance, huh?

yep, indeed.

QUOTE(LostLogia4 @ Apr 6 2014, 14:07) *

Arcanist Armaments are made for mages and casters, and it works best served alongside an Ethereal Staff of Destruction. Mind you, this setup didn't far well in a battle of attrition, but it's better than, say use Aether Shards on every single heavy armor for every single random encounters.

i'm not a huge fan of shards tbh.
i thought about a similar gear to build a backup mage set to quickly raise deprecating/elementals prof, but the first is already good (130, which means a 14-turns long Silence, quite enough to buy some time) and as for the latter - well, i'm a crude slaughter warrior, i could last even without Ragnarok. but it'd be tremenduous cool to be able to cast it (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

QUOTE(LostLogia4 @ Apr 6 2014, 14:07) *

Speaking of a daisho, I can afford them now, both ethereals. In Japanese though, the kanji for "tenkuu", which means "ethereal" as in "ether", can also means "sky", what with both letters literally means sky, the former is heaven (天), the latter is void(空).

the most expensive is katana, wakis are very cheaper compared to the first.
and actually, i was thinking myself about an hallowed waki to have the cure spell bonus: there wouldn't be so much, but still a plus. and 3BUR is bearable also with a shade armor...

QUOTE(LostLogia4 @ Apr 6 2014, 14:25) *

I think our long-hair-con here had created (or revived) a pair of memes here in Hentaiverse.

sorry? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

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post Apr 6 2014, 15:48
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Apr 6 2014, 21:34) *
yep, indeed.
i'm not a huge fan of shards tbh.
I never used them, ever. Never met a boss battle that would justify spending them. But seeing the holy/dark infusions on your rapier gives me a better impression for them.
QUOTE(Scremaz @ Apr 6 2014, 21:34) *
yep, indeed.
i thought about a similar gear to build a backup mage set to quickly raise deprecating/elementals prof, but the first is already good (130, which means a 14-turns long Silence, quite enough to buy some time) and as for the latter - well, i'm a crude slaughter warrior, i could last even without Ragnarok. but it'd be tremenduous cool to be able to cast it (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)
It's not worth spending shards for that, you can cast Ragnarok on melee built just fine, it only has high MP cost.
QUOTE(Scremaz @ Apr 6 2014, 21:34) *
the most expensive is katana, wakis are very cheaper compared to the first.
and actually, i was thinking myself about an hallowed waki to have the cure spell bonus: there wouldn't be so much, but still a plus. and 3BUR is bearable also with a shade armor...
There's the full cure spell I think. why do you think a waki would have a cure spell bonus of all things?

QUOTE(Scremaz @ Apr 6 2014, 21:34) *
sorry? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

計画わ同じように 唯全部痛い

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post Apr 6 2014, 15:59
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QUOTE(LostLogia4 @ Apr 6 2014, 14:48) *

It's not worth spending shards for that, you can cast Ragnarok on melee built just fine, it only has high MP cost.

and afterall it would require a knowledge on monster classes way better than mine (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

QUOTE(LostLogia4 @ Apr 6 2014, 14:48) *

There's the full cure spell I think. why do you think a waki would have a cure spell bonus of all things?

because it's really this way, cure is considered a holy spell, thus hallowed weapons boost them: i noted that with a +16 (at my level) holy damage you have about +500 HP bonus. not much, but i can't even remember how many times i lost because my HP went under zero for less than 300... the only aftermath is that you should still fully IW it to have void damage -.-" decisions, decisions...

QUOTE(LostLogia4 @ Apr 6 2014, 14:48) *

計画わ同じように 唯全部痛い

can't understand kanji and google gives me a dull translation, sorry x2...
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post Apr 6 2014, 16:07
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Apr 6 2014, 21:59) *
and afterall it would require a knowledge on monster classes way better than mine (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

You can try HVFS battling from freakerup. It's awesome, but you can't get equip window with that one on, so append the following after the @includes
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Apr 6 2014, 21:59) *
because it's really this way, cure is considered a holy spell, thus hallowed weapons boost them: i noted that with a +16 (at my level) holy damage you have about +500 HP bonus. not much, but i can't even remember how many times i lost because my HP went under zero for less than 300... the only aftermath is that you should still fully IW it to have void damage -.-" decisions, decisions...
Okay, so that means Hallowed equips also improves cure? My weapons are all ethereals I think, so that makes elemental strikes on top of two void damage at LV10. Maybe I should try infusing two Infusions at once I got one of my ethereal weapon to LV10... oh, I already named that one, so maybe I'll try infusing Infusion of Flames and Lightning on top of two Voidstrike and one Holystrike...

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QUOTE(LostLogia4 @ Apr 6 2014, 21:48) *
計画わ同じように 唯全部痛い
can't understand kanji and google gives me a dull translation, sorry x2...
I figured as much.
Romaji is:"Keikaku wa onaji you ni, tada zenbu itai", "wa" should be "ha", according to GT.
that came from : "The strategy's the same except everything hurts" - said by varst earier. I LMAO'ed on that one.
the other is "dangerous strategy cuz CD".

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post Apr 6 2014, 17:32
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QUOTE(LostLogia4 @ Apr 6 2014, 15:07) *

Romaji is:"Keikaku wa onaji you ni, tada zenbu itai", "wa" should be "ha", according to GT.
that came from : "The strategy's the same except everything hurts" - said by varst earier. I LMAO'ed on that one.
the other is "dangerous strategy cuz CD".

uh, ok.

QUOTE(LostLogia4 @ Apr 6 2014, 15:07) *

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interesting. i'll give it a try...

QUOTE(LostLogia4 @ Apr 6 2014, 15:07) *

Okay, so that means Hallowed equips also improves cure? My weapons are all ethereals I think, so that makes elemental strikes on top of two void damage at LV10. Maybe I should try infusing two Infusions at once I got one of my ethereal weapon to LV10... oh, I already named that one, so maybe I'll try infusing Infusion of Flames and Lightning on top of two Voidstrike and one Holystrike...

yes, hallowed improves cure. the matter is that you specificatley need holy damage for that (read base hallowed weapon), holy strike alone (read ethereal weapon + holy strike from IW or whatever weapon + holy strike via infusions) isn't enough... actually i'm just searching for an hallowed rapier of slaughter to replace this, but it'd be hard to find one with 4PABs and decent process durations (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

a thing that i'm not sure is whether other elementals boost other stats (eg demonic with deprecating spells, tempestuous with wind-elemental damage or shadow veil etc), i tried to ask to a couple of masters and they both said no, but at this point i can't understand the point in boosting only cure spell...

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post Apr 6 2014, 17:47
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HBi guys i have this problem, i have some magnificent pieces i want to sell, but i can see them in the bazaar to use the shop script, how can i solve this?

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post Apr 6 2014, 17:54
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QUOTE(kawaiikun @ Apr 6 2014, 16:47) *

HBi guys i have this problem, i have some magnificent pieces i want to sell, but i can see them in the bazaar to use the shop script, how can i solve this?

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are you sure they aren't locked? maybe because you're using them at the moment...
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Apr 6 2014, 23:32) *

yes, hallowed improves cure. the matter is that you specificatley need holy damage for that (read base hallowed weapon), holy strike alone (read ethereal weapon + holy strike from IW or whatever weapon + holy strike via infusions) isn't enough... actually i'm just searching for an hallowed rapier of slaughter to replace this, but it'd be hard to find one with 4PABs and decent process durations (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
I have an ethereal rapier from the auction, but now that I compare it, it really is a bit crappier than yours for it's price, for I never managed to find any good one. Your best bet is probably opening a WTB list for that one, the last auction have pretty much drained all my fortunes, so you wouldn't have me competing for a hallowed rapier for a while.
QUOTE(Scremaz @ Apr 6 2014, 23:32) *

a thing that i'm not sure is whether other elementals boost other stats (eg demonic with deprecating spells, tempestuous with wind-elemental damage or shadow veil etc), i tried to ask to a couple of masters and they both said no, but at this point i can't understand the point in boosting only cure spell...
Depreciating spells deals no damage, well, except Drain, but that one is more trouble than it's worth.
QUOTE(Scremaz @ Apr 6 2014, 23:54) *
are you sure they aren't locked? maybe because you're using them at the moment...
Questions like this comes to this thread all the time, all have the same answers.

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QUOTE(LostLogia4 @ Apr 6 2014, 16:55) *

I have an ethereal rapier from the auction, but now that I compare it, it really is a bit crappier than yours for it's price. for I never managed to find any good one. Your best bet is probably opening a WTB list for that one, the last auction have pretty much drained all my fortunes, so you wouldn't have me competing for a hallowed rapier for a while.

with no offense meant, you aren't so much of a bother (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
this rapier actually costed very little (it was in a backdoor of a shop, it costed less than 10k if i remember correct), and the real bother in opening a WTB is that all people who kept their equips taking virtual dust all of a sudden pretend god-only-knows-how-many-credits (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) since this is quite good and all i want is a holy damage spell, i think my max budget could be 20-30k, but who on the earth could ever attire? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

QUOTE(LostLogia4 @ Apr 6 2014, 16:55) *

Depreciating spells deals no damage, well, except Drain, but that one is more trouble than it's worth.

true. but there could be an increase in duration (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
and yep, drain is such a bother to deal with... -.-"

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QUOTE(LostLogia4 @ Apr 6 2014, 16:55) *

Questions like this comes to this thread all the time, all have the same answers.

that guy just posted me via PM that they are all unlocked. other ideas?

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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Apr 6 2014, 11:02) *

with no offense meant, you aren't so much of a bother (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
this rapier actually costed very little (it was in a backdoor of a shop, it costed less than 10k if i remember correct), and the real bother in opening a WTB is that all people who kept their equips taking virtual dust all of a sudden pretend god-only-knows-how-many-credits (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) since this is quite good and all i want is a holy damage spell, i think my max budget could be 20-30k, but who on the earth could ever attire? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
true. but there could be an increase in duration (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
and yep, drain is such a bother to deal with... -.-"

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that guy just posted me via PM that they are all unlocked. other ideas?

I've Locked them, and then unlocked them again and it worked, thanks for your help.
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post Apr 6 2014, 18:34
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How much pots do you guys use in arenas and which pots...Well I am a mage and can handle 70 rounds with one greater or heroic mana pot on normal difficulty and i want to know how much pots and which pots melee type use in arena??
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How much pots do you guys use in arenas and which pots...Well I am a mage and can handle 70 rounds with one greater or heroic mana pot on normal difficulty and i want to know how much pots and which pots melee type use in arena??


On normal? I Have no idea. But i had a couple of IW in the morning, on BT they had between 56 and 64 Rounds, an i used around 5 Mana and 1 Spirit for each IW.
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