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Feb 18 2012, 10:48
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varst
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@RajaNagaSoz
I'll go with 'try to test every set and see how they works'.
I know I'm not helping, but there're simply so many variables in every sets that testing may be the only method to see how everything works out.
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Feb 18 2012, 11:32
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wrinty
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So now that the galleries I posted lost their novelty, I no longer have a consistent automatic source of Credit. I decided to make a new one by powering up my monster (yeah... monster loot is the best thing I can come up with for automatic credit generator >.<). After spending all my credits buying crystals (I'm pretty poor), here's what Lambda looks like: (IMG:[ sadpanda.us] http://sadpanda.us/images/846659-RPBP3SJ.png) Can I expect loot anytime soon or do I still need to power it up more? I got one Mid-Grade Material even with 0 battles won from Lambda! It seems that my lack of luck with artifact drops until now compensates for itself in the worst way possible >.>. On that note, any tips for getting artifacts? I put 10 points into Scavenger and 2 into Archaelogist.
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Feb 18 2012, 11:33
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RajaNagaSoz
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Alright, i'll probably just stick with set 1 then. It's not like i'm levelling any of them (lol, level an old soul-type, haha, from lv 56 no less!)
I'm still baffled by the wierdness of the crit chance though. Does being ethereal give an unseen crit bonus or something?
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Feb 18 2012, 12:41
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varst
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QUOTE(wrinty @ Feb 18 2012, 17:32)  So now that the galleries I posted lost their novelty, I no longer have a consistent automatic source of Credit. I decided to make a new one by powering up my monster (yeah... monster loot is the best thing I can come up with for automatic credit generator >.<). After spending all my credits buying crystals (I'm pretty poor), here's what Lambda looks like:
Can I expect loot anytime soon or do I still need to power it up more? I got one Mid-Grade Material even with 0 battles won from Lambda! It seems that my lack of luck with artifact drops until now compensates for itself in the worst way possible >.>.
On that note, any tips for getting artifacts? I put 10 points into Scavenger and 2 into Archaelogist.
the range people have suggested is between PL 70~100, though I would suggest you to save your credits on more important things, like trainings/equipments. You can worry about the monster problem later. (it's not like you're going to have enough credits to buy crystals) As for artifacts, the tips is to play more rounds. And no I'm not kidding. The base chance will yield about 1 artifacts per 1000 rounds, while with some 30 ranks in Scavenger and 7 ranks in Archaelogist will yield about 1 artifacts per 500 rounds. As you can see, the getting those things better will not improve your chance to get artifacts that much, unless you're playing tons of rounds. QUOTE(RajaNagaSoz @ Feb 18 2012, 17:33)  Alright, i'll probably just stick with set 1 then. It's not like i'm levelling any of them (lol, level an old soul-type, haha, from lv 56 no less!)
I'm still baffled by the wierdness of the crit chance though. Does being ethereal give an unseen crit bonus or something?
No, there's no additional bonus for ethereal weapons. People have said that ethereal weapons generally have overall worse stat than normal weapons, though we can never confirm that unless we know how the equipments' quality is calculated from individual figures. This post has been edited by varst: Feb 18 2012, 21:56
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Feb 18 2012, 12:47
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wrinty
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I guess Artifact farming would kill my Stamina. Artifact drop rates are the same for every difficulty right? I got one artifact once, actually, but all Snowflake gave me was 100 crystals TT.TT
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Feb 18 2012, 12:55
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hzqr
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Monsters are a credit sink, not a credit source. The best way to gain credits at lower levels is by selling Hath (run H@H if you can) or Artifacts to other players. Or you could complete bounties, I guess.
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Feb 18 2012, 13:19
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wrinty
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My laptop's upload speed doesn't reach the required speed and my desktop seems to be dead. I have no idea what's wrong with it, the monitor's just completely black and I can hear the sounds of the computer's engines. A lot of my problems would be solved if I can use H@H.
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Feb 18 2012, 14:59
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aiwotorimodose
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without other credits source your only choice is grind and stamina is your least concern when grinding.
Besides the arena, I found myself grinding on normal/hard to get enough pot & drink on good stamina (for few days), then deplete them in a straight session of IW-iwbth on great stamina which only last about half a day :|
junk drop goes to bazaar, crystals goes to monster then credits goes to train and equips.
a pathetic lifecycle I guess :|
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Feb 18 2012, 15:16
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wrinty
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Dang. Maybe I can learn some how to edit mangas once I have free time and do some bounties/upload some stuff.
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Feb 18 2012, 15:40
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LangTuTaiHoa
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QUOTE(wrinty @ Feb 18 2012, 20:16)  Dang. Maybe I can learn some how to edit mangas once I have free time and do some bounties/upload some stuff.
I'm currently having H@H for about 2 hath/day so credits are not a big concern for me, but here are some experience from before I was able to run it: _ Do arenas daily. Do all of them. Do the easier ones in higher difficulties for a good balanced bunch of EXP, credits, and drops. Do the harder ones (lv 60 and above, which give you 1000c clear bonus each, and 800+ c during the process) in normal difficulty (higher if possible, but I usually do them on normal because this is the main credits income) to get credits, usually about 2000+ per arena challenge. _ Do grindfest, but maybe not too much since it wears out your stamina very fast. Should do this on normal difficulty to get the most credits out of stamina spent (I don't notice higher credits for higher difficulties). _ Do crysfest, this should be the main EXP income for you since it consumes very little amount of stamina per round, and do it with the highest difficulty that you can still survive ~20+ round for best stamina usage. No credits though, but you get very good EXP/stamina ratio. And crystals too. _ I rarely do IW, I think it's mainly for gaining melee profs faster (IWBHT on crude item). Some people recommend this also for EXP, but I think a round in Nintendo/BT crysfest gives about the same EXP as a round in crude IWBHT IW, and it's much quicker. The only good things about the latter is you can fight them slowly and safely, thus gaining fast melee profs. _ Choose some worthy equipments in your inventory and open a shop. If you have consumables in big amount (100x+) that you don't need, also sell them there. The lesser (junk and crap) equipments go to bazaar for some small income.
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Feb 18 2012, 21:55
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Mr. Plow
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QUOTE(varst @ Feb 18 2012, 02:41)  The base chance will yield about 1 artifacts per 1000 rounds, while with some 30 ranks in Scavenger and 7 ranks in Archaelogist will yield about 1 artifacts per 5000 rounds.
Is this what you meant to say? This would mean that getting 30 ranks of Scavenger and 7 ranks in Archaelogist decrease the rate of getting artifacts by a factor of 5 since it would take 5000 rounds to get 1 artifact as opposed to the base of 1000 rounds to get 1 artifact. Did you mean 1 artifact per 500 rounds with that amount of training done? QUOTE(LangTuTaiHoa @ Feb 18 2012, 05:40)  _ I rarely do IW, I think it's mainly for gaining melee profs faster (IWBHT on crude item). Some people recommend this also for EXP, but I think a round in Nintendo/BT crysfest gives about the same EXP as a round in crude IWBHT IW, and it's much quicker. The only good things about the latter is you can fight them slowly and safely, thus gaining fast melee profs.
_ Choose some worthy equipments in your inventory and open a shop. If you have consumables in big amount (100x+) that you don't need, also sell them there. The lesser (junk and crap) equipments go to bazaar for some small income.
Saying that Item World is mainly for gaining melee proficiencies faster seems to be a bit of a stretch (though you are correct that it can certainly be used as such). That comparison between a round in Crysfest on Nintendo/BT to a round in Crude IW on IWBH may be true, but the benefit of IW is that you can go into higher ranking IW and get even more exp on the same difficulty setting. Though going up to IWBH on a Superior item may not be feasible at lower levels I would still experiment with all the variables available to you in IW. I would also suggest not selling your consumables yet, but that's just me. You don't really get a lot of them and it would suck to have to buy them back or be pretty vulnerable while you wait to replenish your stock. Sure if you have 1000+ you'd probably never notice selling a few hundred, but if you have 150 and you sell 100, you may find yourself in a painful dry spell drop wise.
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Feb 18 2012, 22:03
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Mr. Plow
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Hahaha that's what I thought. If all that training actually increased the rate of artifact drops I'd be pretty mad
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Feb 18 2012, 23:08
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rookie84
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QUOTE(wrinty @ Feb 18 2012, 13:16)  Dang. Maybe I can learn some how to edit mangas once I have free time and do some bounties/upload some stuff.
We can always use more editors (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Doing bounties has given me enough hath to get the black/white/rainbow auras and IA4, and enough credits to buy my ethereal weapons in auctions. I don't think I'll ever be able to do enough to buy enough crystals though (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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Feb 18 2012, 23:25
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wrinty
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Well, finally got to level 70 and got Regen, though it cost me a lot of Stamina. >.< I really need some artifacts to drop soon. QUOTE(rookie84 @ Feb 18 2012, 13:08)  We can always use more editors (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Doing bounties has given me enough hath to get the black/white/rainbow auras and IA4, and enough credits to buy my ethereal weapons in auctions. I don't think I'll ever be able to do enough to buy enough crystals though (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) I don't know Japanese though. is it possible to get credits stuff by only editting for translated but uneditted mangas? This post has been edited by wrinty: Feb 18 2012, 23:30
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Feb 18 2012, 23:38
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rookie84
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QUOTE(wrinty @ Feb 18 2012, 21:25)  I don't know Japanese though. is it possible to get credits stuff by only editting for translated but uneditted mangas?
Yep, there's actually a bit of a backlog of translations waiting for edits at the moment. Most people post separate bounties for the translation and edit, so many doujinshis later posted in the galleries are translated by one person and edited by another. Some bounties are posted here, and you can also check the bounty list or translation bounty forum
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Feb 18 2012, 23:51
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wrinty
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Looks like a promising source of credits for me to look into during the summer. I have some basic skills with GIMP (know how to make multiple layers, etc.) so I think I'll be able to learn to edit mangas pretty quickly.
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Feb 19 2012, 00:36
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Apocalypse Horsemen
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I remember coming across a userscript whereby it allows the equipment base stats to be displayed in the popup window. Can anyone please direct me to that thread/post/script please. Thanks.
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Feb 19 2012, 00:41
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Maximum_Joe
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QUOTE(cyberwaveIT @ Feb 18 2012, 14:36)  I remember coming across a userscript whereby it allows the equipment base stats to be displayed in the popup window. Can anyone please direct me to that thread/post/script please. Thanks.
HVHUD_BaseStatDisplay.user.zip ( 1.39k )
Number of downloads: 39
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Feb 19 2012, 00:50
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Apocalypse Horsemen
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Thanks Joe.
Would it be possible to consolidate these userscripts in the wiki pages?
There are quite a number of good scripts lying around the various parts of the forums, & it would greatly enhance the searching, especially for the new players.
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