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Nov 3 2017, 15:58
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Paruri
Group: Gold Star Club
Posts: 395
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QUOTE(DJNoni @ Nov 3 2017, 22:14)  This: and this: So if you make 'left mouse' your button for 'attack', holding down 'left mouse' will make your mouse act same as 'hover attack'.
So for example, if i set my leftClick Strongest(cast(shield bash), cast(vital strike)) and set mouseEngage=true, holding down leftClick works like hoverAction, right?? but when i did, it didn't work well, and actually I couldn't see any difference between true and false:(
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Nov 3 2017, 16:19
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Noni
Group: Catgirl Camarilla
Posts: 13,159
Joined: 19-February 16

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QUOTE(paruri @ Nov 3 2017, 14:58)  So for example,
if i set my leftClick Strongest(cast(shield bash), cast(vital strike)) and set mouseEngage=true, holding down leftClick works like hoverAction, right??
but when i did, it didn't work well, and actually I couldn't see any difference between true and false:(
and default hover action false.
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Nov 3 2017, 16:49
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Paruri
Group: Gold Star Club
Posts: 395
Joined: 27-October 17

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QUOTE(DJNoni @ Nov 3 2017, 23:19)  and default hover action false.
OH!!!!! Now i got it!! (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) Thank you!!:)
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Nov 3 2017, 23:03
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Scremaz
Group: Gold Star Club
Posts: 24,304
Joined: 18-January 07

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QUOTE(cxxts @ Nov 1 2017, 03:42)  I just had this issue a day ago, its actually unlocked at level 175 for flame of loki and 185 for the ice variant and +10 levels for any other elemental variant thereafter from what ive seen.
just to match all the other tiers, uh? does make sense, but could anyone confirm this? QUOTE(cxxts @ Nov 1 2017, 07:52)  I play on the nintendo difficulty with a fire/ice mage with no javascripts (havn't looked into using them).
aka rainbow mage. it's been made obsolete by Imperil spell, if you're interested. if you like to play that way, better for you. but while we're at it, may i still ask you to give us a comparison with Imperil mage (either Fire or Cold, but not a hybrid) QUOTE(DJNoni @ Nov 1 2017, 08:12)  Interesting. So this works quite well up to level 200, I didn't know that! Thanks for sharing this with us.
probably because they cannot take proper advantage of Imperil yet. but i'm curious in the results. QUOTE(cxxts @ Nov 2 2017, 00:18)  Does anyone have a hard stat on the cast time of Arcane Focus? The wiki says it is .1 which is on par with other supportive skills but i noticed that i can get a full buff rotation off (excluding Arcane) without taking massive damage but if i cast Arcane Focus first every monster will take an action.
Channelling effect, perhaps? QUOTE(BlueWaterSplash @ Nov 2 2017, 00:26)  Wiki is deadly wrong in this case. Casting heartseeker has caused the majority of my deaths. The action time is 2+ turns I believe. I presume arcane focus may be the same.
it's possible, but in these cases please report it in one of the wiki threads. it's not like merely saying "wiki is wrong" will lead to anything. there's a fair chance wiki editors will look especially those and skip many of the other things. QUOTE(decondelite @ Nov 2 2017, 18:59)  Quick question to the IW specialists: how much do you charge for an Item World? I'd like to offer a lil' extra to low level players: I IW their purchase for a little extra price. Without spending amnesia shards. That should greatly help them getting a good weapon.
what about associating yourself with TygerTyger, or at least asking him? he's a good guy, and he may take advantage of all the possible help. either way, he offers 0c IW10 for lv < 300, same conditions. good luck in beating that. QUOTE(DCFulano @ Nov 3 2017, 08:22)  Does Spell Damage upgrade on a melee weapon increases its elemental strike?
afaik elemental strikes are physical (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
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Nov 4 2017, 01:09
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sickentide
Group: Catgirl Camarilla
Posts: 1,355
Joined: 31-August 10

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if spell damage affected elemental strikes nobody would be using ethereal weapons
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Nov 4 2017, 01:19
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프레이
Group: Gold Star Club
Posts: 701
Joined: 21-October 17

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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Nov 3 2017, 17:03)  just to match all the other tiers, uh? does make sense, but could anyone confirm this?
Yup, was only able to slot it once I hit 175 the other day.
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Nov 4 2017, 01:44
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Scremaz
Group: Gold Star Club
Posts: 24,304
Joined: 18-January 07

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QUOTE(Frotag @ Nov 4 2017, 00:19)  Yup, was only able to slot it once I hit 175 the other day.
so you should now be able to slot Fimbulvetr, uh?
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Nov 4 2017, 02:40
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프레이
Group: Gold Star Club
Posts: 701
Joined: 21-October 17

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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Nov 3 2017, 19:44)  so you should now be able to slot Fimbulvetr, uh?
"Yes" goes the guinea pig.
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Nov 4 2017, 03:20
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KitsuneAbby
Group: Catgirl Camarilla
Posts: 7,571
Joined: 12-July 14

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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Nov 3 2017, 22:03)  what about associating yourself with TygerTyger, or at least asking him? he's a good guy, and he may take advantage of all the possible help. either way, he offers 0c IW10 for lv < 300, same conditions. good luck in beating that. *laughs* Me? Associating with someone? Have you seen what my forum title is? Don't you know how I am since all this time? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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Nov 4 2017, 03:27
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reality_marble
Group: Gold Star Club
Posts: 1,475
Joined: 31-August 13

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QUOTE(decondelite @ Nov 3 2017, 23:20)  *laughs* Me? Associating with someone? Have you seen what my forum title is? Don't you know how I am since all this time? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) ..・ヾ(。><)シ
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Nov 4 2017, 08:09
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BlueWaterSplash
Group: Members
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QUOTE(sickentide @ Nov 3 2017, 13:09)  if spell damage affected elemental strikes nobody would be using ethereal weapons
Wait a second <rereads earlier conversion> since when does elemental spell damage bonus affect elemental strikes? So does it or doesn't it? I agree with sickentide, if it does then like nobody would be using ethereal weapons. They would be the pits. Above calculation suggested an 8% or so increase in overall damage if elemental spell damage bonus affects the elemental strike. Maybe the calculation changes a little depending on level or various other factors, but no matter that is way good!! Way worth it to have 8% more damage for maybe 1% more mana wastings from interference. Also, it would mean DW and Niten become the strongest styles because you can get double the weapon EDB. Maybe everyone should be wearing phase clothes, too. Would have to check the calculation to be sure. I can just see all shade and power armors suddenly becoming cheap if this turns out to be true...as for phase, at least the prefixes and suffixes wouldn't matter.
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Nov 4 2017, 09:17
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issary
Group: Catgirl Camarilla
Posts: 2,992
Joined: 18-October 13

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QUOTE(BlueWaterSplash @ Nov 4 2017, 14:09)  Wait a second <rereads earlier conversion> since when does elemental spell damage bonus affect elemental strikes? So does it or doesn't it? I agree with sickentide, if it does then like nobody would be using ethereal weapons. They would be the pits.
Above calculation suggested an 8% or so increase in overall damage if elemental spell damage bonus affects the elemental strike. Maybe the calculation changes a little depending on level or various other factors, but no matter that is way good!! Way worth it to have 8% more damage for maybe 1% more mana wastings from interference.
That's 8% of strike damage(which is only part of all damage and only affect main target,don't affect counter damage). But you guys are right,I should test it again,someone'd told me that long times ago(before I'm level 300). Okay,test start,I'll go to pfudor rob and gather average damage of coldstrike on Mikuru Asahina,and then forge spell damage to 50,keep other condition not changed,and do it again to Ryouko Asakura (they have same cold&crush Resistances) This post has been edited by issary: Nov 4 2017, 09:43
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Nov 4 2017, 09:42
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BlueWaterSplash
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QUOTE(issary) Suppose there is a Peerless Rapier with 11.34 base edb,it will shows about 31 edb at your level,and increased to 42 if forged to 50,that will increase your strike damage(not inclued strike get by enchant) by 8%. I'm not sure how you calculated so I will redo the calculation my way. 11.34 base edb at level 500 becomes 11.34 x 3.5 = 40% bonus. With forge 50 it becomes +54% edb. Doesn't this mean the damage of your elemental strike becomes 1.54 times normal? Next, going by Research for 1H thread numbers, damage is about 2.15 (1 normal hit, 0.4 from critical on average, 0.5 from void strike, 0.25 gross approximation from elemental strike after average enemy elemental resistance). So now the elemental strike goes from 0.25 damage to 0.25 x 1.54 = 0.38 damage. Total damage increase from 2.15 to 2.28, this is an increase of 6%. If true, that should be enough that no one wants to use ethereal weapons anymore. There is also a question of how this +54% edb from weapon stacks with the elemental mitigation of monster (usually 50% or 62% or 75% mitigation). I assumed normal multiplicative stacking. If it is some kind of weird additive stacking that would make edb bonus even more valuable. (Note: if edb really applies to elemental strike, this also makes most of Research for 1H slightly messed up, as sssss2 did not realize or take it into account in his calculations and comparisons). QUOTE(issary) Okay,test start,I'll go to pfudor rob and gather average damage of coldstrike on Mikuru Asahina,and then forge spell damage to 50,keep other condition not changed,and do it again to Ryouko Asakura Wait that will waste your money. Just compare 1H and DW (2 weapons). I was going to do it myself but I have no RoB tokens.
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Nov 4 2017, 11:03
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issary
Group: Catgirl Camarilla
Posts: 2,992
Joined: 18-October 13

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QUOTE(BlueWaterSplash @ Nov 4 2017, 15:42)  I'm not sure how you calculated so I will redo the calculation my way. 11.34 base edb at level 500 becomes 11.34 x 3.5 = 40% bonus. With forge 50 it becomes +54% edb. Doesn't this mean the damage of your elemental strike becomes 1.54 times normal? Next, going by Research for 1H thread numbers, damage is about 2.15 (1 normal hit, 0.4 from critical on average, 0.5 from void strike, 0.25 gross approximation from elemental strike after average enemy elemental resistance). So now the elemental strike goes from 0.25 damage to 0.25 x 1.54 = 0.38 damage. Total damage increase from 2.15 to 2.28, this is an increase of 6%. If true, that should be enough that no one wants to use ethereal weapons anymore. There is also a question of how this +54% edb from weapon stacks with the elemental mitigation of monster (usually 50% or 62% or 75% mitigation). I assumed normal multiplicative stacking. If it is some kind of weird additive stacking that would make edb bonus even more valuable. (Note: if edb really applies to elemental strike, this also makes most of Research for 1H slightly messed up, as sssss2 did not realize or take it into account in his calculations and comparisons). That won't be too much waste(maybe 50k-100k to forge edb to 50 and salvage),but maybe I should use Niflheim phase instead,that's cheaper and more obvious. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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Nov 4 2017, 11:25
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karyl123
Group: Gold Star Club
Posts: 1,659
Joined: 9-January 11

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after the proficiency update, my proficiency gain super slow. I have only taking dawn for 4 months and my proficiency is lagging behind.
now i am playing regularly
i am lv 436 but have 429 elemental prof and 414 deprecating prof. usually the prof can be easily achieved at same level.
but something off. since I am 1H mage, my 1H prof already reaching 441.
is there a way to bump my lagging prof ?
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Nov 4 2017, 11:40
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issary
Group: Catgirl Camarilla
Posts: 2,992
Joined: 18-October 13

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OK,here's the result. Test with Arctic Club and full plate:
strike_damage1.txt ( 5.61k )
Number of downloads: 26Test with Arctic Club and 1 Niflheim phase+4 plate(about 66 more edb and 7% less attack damage):
strike_damage2_.txt ( 6.6k )
Number of downloads: 22Seems clearly that I was wrong (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif) QUOTE(BlueWaterSplash @ Nov 4 2017, 15:44)  Wait that will waste your money. Just compare 1H and DW (2 weapons). I was going to do it myself but I have no RoB tokens.
Thanks for helping test,sent 200k BTW,did sssss2 count counter attack in his research?That can be a big part of total damage with 1H. QUOTE(karyl123 @ Nov 4 2017, 17:25)  after the proficiency update, my proficiency gain super slow. I have only taking dawn for 4 months and my proficiency is lagging behind.
now i am playing regularly
i am lv 436 but have 429 elemental prof and 414 deprecating prof. usually the prof can be easily achieved at same level.
but something off. since I am 1H mage, my 1H prof already reaching 441.
is there a way to bump my lagging prof ?
Assimilator,and play more rounds everyday.Dawn gives same EXP amount to player and prof now,but battle gives 4 times EXP to prof than to player. This post has been edited by issary: Nov 4 2017, 11:45
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Nov 4 2017, 11:55
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Thick Meat Maniac
Group: Gold Star Club
Posts: 2,623
Joined: 5-January 16

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QUOTE(karyl123 @ Nov 4 2017, 10:25)  after the proficiency update, my proficiency gain super slow. I have only taking dawn for 4 months and my proficiency is lagging behind.
now i am playing regularly
i am lv 436 but have 429 elemental prof and 414 deprecating prof. usually the prof can be easily achieved at same level.
but something off. since I am 1H mage, my 1H prof already reaching 441.
is there a way to bump my lagging prof ?
QUOTE(Tenboro @ Aug 16 2017, 12:46)  Proficiency
Proficiency experience uses the exact same formula as level experience, but you gain twice the stated number of experience, plus whatever additional bonus you get from the Assimilator proficiency training. All normal bonuses to EXP are included in proficiency EXP.
wonder what he mean with all normal, but i guess everything what boost exp also boost your % chance gain prof since same formula! after testing it with +80stamina and my prof gain was 2x, now below 80 its only 1x. so yes, your exp % gain has impact on your prof gain. Assimilator Training, either that or aim for exp perks if not allready, then you should be good.
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Nov 4 2017, 12:01
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reality_marble
Group: Gold Star Club
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QUOTE(karyl123 @ Nov 4 2017, 07:25)  is there a way to bump my lagging prof ?
Start roundings cast elemens T1 finish roundings ┐( ̄~ ̄)┌start next roundings cast elemen! wins ┐(︶▽︶)┌start roudings repeatings ad infinitunings ヽ(ˇヘˇ)ノO-o-off with your heads (〜 ̄▽ ̄)〜Gri-gri-grinds till your dead 〜( ̄▽ ̄〜)This post has been edited by reality_marble: Nov 4 2017, 16:25
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