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Oct 11 2017, 22:30
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kukrak
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@Screamaz, I am a litte bit curios, why is the sonofblackjaq or whatever was the trophy-low-lvl-dump idea called against the rules, or i mean which one specifically? Seemed like a good one to me (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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Oct 11 2017, 22:38
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f4tal
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QUOTE(as013 @ Oct 11 2017, 21:43)  Actually I see Archaeologist as the most profitable investment. That's why I put in millions to get it to level 6. So I guess I should save up credits to buy phazons for now.
Hmm, how much last Archeologist costs? 8,000,000? So, I need 80 ED to pay it off. With 20% to get ED, I need 400 artifacts to pay off. If I will get 7 artifacts from arenas, then I need 58 days to pay off. Not that much. In theory. In reality, however, I shrined 37 artifacts in past week and got only 5 ED (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) I have all trainings maxed out, but last Archeologist. With such concept Quartermaster is way more profitable - just play a lot and pray for PHOH (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Oct 11 2017, 21:58)  Imo in the end they are all worth it. I may some of them to take a while to pay off. But if you play for long enough they allways will. I mean i like it to believe that i just got my End game rapier, because it did trained questermaster so much. And let us be honest, in the end all you need is just a single good drop, for all those training to pay off.
Or to put it simple what i think about those trainings. If you can spend the money, you dont expect them to pay off right away and plan still to play in a year or even longer, they are worth it and you should train them more. If the answers to those questions are no, dont bother because they are not worth it for you.
In the end, yes, everything is worthy, but in short-term run, it is better to upgrade your build, IMHO. Of cource if we are talking about someone who is doing GF per day, then all drops will be good, no jokes (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Ahh, still waiting for good drop... (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) This post has been edited by f4tal: Oct 11 2017, 22:45
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Oct 11 2017, 22:52
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Scremaz
Group: Gold Star Club
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QUOTE(kukrak @ Oct 11 2017, 22:30)  @Screamaz, I am a litte bit curios, why is the sonofblackjaq or whatever was the trophy-low-lvl-dump idea called against the rules, or i mean which one specifically? Seemed like a good one to me (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) because you would've been circumventing some limits of the game and abusing the WTS system. i mean, let's say you're lv500. you can drop/earn from shrine lv500 items, which notoriously have certain standards to be considered appetible by the market and can attract players down to lv, uh... 390? 400? whatever - but nonetheless, this is what you can earn by yourself. now, let's say you suddenly can have access to lv300 items: not only the standards would be (considerably!) lower, you'll also be able to attract a way bigger audience (from lv200 to lv500?) - but in a way that wouldn't be fair neither for other lv500, nor for other lv300. if you prefer a tl;dr, admin was asked whether it was legit or not, and his answer was "No." (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)
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Oct 11 2017, 23:03
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kukrak
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Oct 11 2017, 22:52)  because you would've been circumventing some limits of the game and abusing the WTS system. i mean, let's say you're lv500. you can drop/earn from shrine lv500 items, which notoriously have certain standards to be considered appetible by the market and can attract players down to lv, uh... 390? 400? whatever - but nonetheless, this is what you can earn by yourself. now, let's say you suddenly can have access to lv300 items: not only the standards would be (considerably!) lower, you'll also be able to attract a way bigger audience (from lv200 to lv500?) - but in a way that wouldn't be fair neither for other lv500, nor for other lv300. if you prefer a tl;dr, admin was asked whether it was legit or not, and his answer was "No." (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif) When you put it like this, sure, i agree with that. Too bad for the sonofblackaq then (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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Oct 11 2017, 23:06
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BlueWaterSplash
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Sounds like son of blackjac is no go for now, I'm grateful for the efforts that were made. And hey, I'd say a new testing account is a good compromise.
From what I imagine, there are some honesty concerns with allowing random users like myself to be the host for son of blackjac. I was able to reduce these through observations and rules, but not eliminate them completely. However in turn, it may have been considered to create a new account like FreeShop or testing-account to serve this purpose and remove the honesty concern.
But it was (and rightfully so, in my opinion) judged that such a special permission is unnatural and will disrupt the inherent balance of this game.
I wasn't aware until just yesterday (FreeShop's recent posts) that FreeShop itself served a partial purpose of son of blackjac. However I'll point out that FreeShop's current shrinking power benefits mostly guys who are level 40, leaving a gap in the most hungry level 200~300 realm. This is also a range where FreeShop's offerings are weak due to its current rules (which I agree with).
I still think son of blackjac is not an impossible idea but it has to be implemented in the true way. There has to be a rich guy (level 200 or 250) who stops playing and then buys all the trophies himself, to redeem and shop himself. This has no honesty problem and requires no aid from anyone so it has a greater chance of being allowed. In theory, we could all donate credits to the host to start him up.
In actuality, I hadn't predicted the son of blackjac idea to be overwhelmingly popular, even if everything went perfectly. Blackjac would always have two advantages, his hath perk, plus the extremely rich gear for trophies is probably staff. But for that one, it does not matter the level at which you redeem it, the worth is probably the same.
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Oct 11 2017, 23:09
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KitsuneAbby
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Scremaz, lemme explain it a more practical way. => If levels were added to equipments, it's not so that players have to find a workaround to continue having Legs at low levels.
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Oct 11 2017, 23:33
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Scremaz
Group: Gold Star Club
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QUOTE(BlueWaterSplash @ Oct 11 2017, 23:06)  From what I imagine, there are some honesty concerns with allowing random users like myself to be the host for son of blackjac. I was able to reduce these through observations and rules, but not eliminate them completely. However in turn, it may have been considered to create a new account like FreeShop or testing-account to serve this purpose and remove the honesty concern.
it's not like we have a problem with you in particular. it's only that the idea on its own is quite fishy and exploitable... QUOTE(BlueWaterSplash @ Oct 11 2017, 23:06)  I still think son of blackjac is not an impossible idea but it has to be implemented in the true way.
... but it'd be really appreciated if we stopped speaking about it for a while (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif) QUOTE(decondelite @ Oct 11 2017, 23:09)  Scremaz, lemme explain it a more practical way. => If levels were added to equipments, it's not so that players have to find a workaround to continue having Legs at low levels.
that as well, sure. i don't even remember when i saw my first Legendary, but i'm pretty sure it wasn't as soon as today's standards.
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Oct 11 2017, 23:54
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BlueWaterSplash
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QUOTE(f4tal) LOTD is even more useless with maxedout one you have following odds:
6,25% that superior will be rare 12,5% that exquisite will be rare 25% that magnificent will be rare 50% that legendary and peerless will be rare
Legendary has 50% chance for rare tier armor drop? Wiki only mentions >25% it does not say exactly. I am not clear on how Luck of the Draw works. Does it add 25%+25%=50%? Or multiply?
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Oct 12 2017, 00:08
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f4tal
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QUOTE(BlueWaterSplash @ Oct 12 2017, 00:54)  Legendary has 50% chance for rare tier armor drop? Wiki only mentions >25% it does not say exactly. I am not clear on how Luck of the Draw works. Does it add 25%+25%=50%? Or multiply? Well, they tend to have. Sssss2 did some research and have found that chances to get rare for superior is 1/16, exquisite - 1/8, magnificent - 1/4, so with pattern like this legendary should have 1/2. However it is true that we haven't got so many legendary (need like row of 500 to be sure) to test. He published his data based on 1000 PFUDORfest and got values like 28%-32% ( https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showtopic=199218 ), but once again he got too low spread (or more likely - game gave him low spread) to make any assumption. However, yes, if we have 1/16, then 1/8, then 1/4, why it would 1/3 or 5/12 in the end? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) This post has been edited by f4tal: Oct 12 2017, 00:59
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Oct 12 2017, 00:16
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BlueWaterSplash
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How much Luck of the Draw did sssss2 have at the time of his testing?
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Oct 12 2017, 00:18
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f4tal
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He said 20/25 in the first post, but maybe when he started this marathon he had even less (15/25)? Or 20/25 is "start-piint" and he ended with full 25/25... That's why you should add few points here and there to make it relevant to 25/25 (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) This post has been edited by f4tal: Oct 12 2017, 01:01
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Oct 12 2017, 15:45
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Deathglass
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Is spirit stance supposed to consume overcharge "per action?" Like when you use potions?
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Oct 12 2017, 16:05
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Uncle Stu
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QUOTE(Deathglass @ Oct 12 2017, 15:45)  Is spirit stance supposed to consume overcharge "per action?"
Yes, it is.
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Oct 12 2017, 16:06
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Dead-ed
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QUOTE(Deathglass @ Oct 12 2017, 06:45)  Is spirit stance supposed to consume overcharge "per action?" Like when you use potions?
Yes. 0 ~ 5 for successful attack. 10 for parried attack (!), using consumables, & casting spells. It's broken.
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Oct 12 2017, 23:01
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tamiroff
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During the process of adjusting up one's primary attributes is game play affected in any way?
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Oct 13 2017, 00:04
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KitsuneAbby
Group: Catgirl Camarilla
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QUOTE(Dead-ed @ Oct 12 2017, 16:06)  Yes. 0 ~ 5 for successful attack. 10 for parried attack (!), using consumables, & casting spells. It's broken.
Correction: when you attack, you consume 10 overcharge, then you generate overcharge thanks to your attack. Nothing is broken.
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Oct 13 2017, 00:55
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Dead-ed
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QUOTE(decondelite @ Oct 12 2017, 15:04)  Correction: when you attack, you consume 10 overcharge, then you generate overcharge thanks to your attack. Nothing is broken.
Yes, i told in summed up style. What makes it broken is when the monster have unbearable parry rates, you know it. On the other hand, counter is guaranteed hit.
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Oct 13 2017, 02:37
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f4tal
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QUOTE(tamiroff @ Oct 13 2017, 00:01)  During the process of adjusting up one's primary attributes is game play affected in any way?
Sorry, do not fully understand what you meant... You meant something like: 1. You have 100 STR and 95 DEX 2. You get 5 points from STR to put them into DEX 3. Will it affect your gameplay much? Well, such small numbers like 1-5 points will not change things that much on high difficulties (Nintendo, IWBTH, PFUDOR), but will help on lower difficulties. On other hand, big values, like 30-50 points do matter and might help (or not) you on any difficulties. Speaking of which, most help you will get from equipment itself and from abilities you have learnt, rather from pure STR, DEX, AGI, END, INT, WIS stats (PABs). PABs just bonuses to what equipment and abilities gave you, but still that bonus IS important. In overall you need specially "adjust" your stats in one case only, when you started a new build (switched from 2H/light armor melee to 1H/heavy armor, for example) - in this case, you might even create new blank persona to make "adjustment" easier. Correct me if I understood you wrong. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) This post has been edited by f4tal: Oct 13 2017, 02:40
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Oct 13 2017, 03:56
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tamiroff
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QUOTE(f4tal @ Oct 12 2017, 17:37)  Sorry, do not fully understand what you meant... You meant something like: 1. You have 100 STR and 95 DEX 2. You get 5 points from STR to put them into DEX 3. Will it affect your gameplay much? Well, such small numbers like 1-5 points will not change things that much on high difficulties (Nintendo, IWBTH, PFUDOR), but will help on lower difficulties. On other hand, big values, like 30-50 points do matter and might help (or not) you on any difficulties. Speaking of which, most help you will get from equipment itself and from abilities you have learnt, rather from pure STR, DEX, AGI, END, INT, WIS stats (PABs). PABs just bonuses to what equipment and abilities gave you, but still that bonus IS important. In overall you need specially "adjust" your stats in one case only, when you started a new build (switched from 2H/light armor melee to 1H/heavy armor, for example) - in this case, you might even create new blank persona to make "adjustment" easier. Correct me if I understood you wrong. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I'am afraid my question was poorly composed and therefore unclear. What I wanted to know is if the recovery process that occurs after adjusting up one's primary attributes has any negative effects on battles fought while it (recovery process) is happening. A +10 bump in primary attribute takes 24 hours in recovery time, so in that 24 hour period does battle performance change in any way? Thank you for your very complete response to my initial query. Hope my second go around is better. ;P
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Oct 13 2017, 04:02
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Uncle Stu
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QUOTE(tamiroff @ Oct 13 2017, 03:56)  I'am afraid my question was poorly composed and therefore unclear. What I wanted to know is if the recovery process that occurs after adjusting up one's primary attributes has any negative effects on battles fought while it (recovery process) is happening. A +10 bump in primary attribute takes 24 hours in recovery time, so in that 24 hour period does battle performance change in any way? Thank you for your very complete response to my initial query. Hope my second go around is better. ;P
No, it doenst affect your battle performance in any way. But if you want to speed up the progress, i would suggest you to use just another persona.
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