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post Sep 10 2017, 03:50
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QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Sep 10 2017, 03:45) *

You would need 95 X 6 or 570 Binding of Slaughter. Lets say you can buy them for 100k per, would that be 57M. It is possible, but you need some time for it. Create own monsters helps with that.



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For now I have not paid much attention to the creation of monster. I will begin to consider them
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post Sep 10 2017, 03:59
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QUOTE(rokyroky @ Sep 10 2017, 03:50) *

Uff, that's a gold star. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/faint.gif)

For now I have not paid much attention to the creation of monster. I will begin to consider them

Yeah, it is. But just believe me, it is possible. I could get that much money in i guess two or three months with a bit luck. Also no one force you to buy them all at once. And every BoS your monsters bring you, is another BoS you didnt had to buy. So in the end you would need less then 570 BoS.

Monsterlab is all just numbers. The more monsters you have, the more gifts you get from them, the greater the chance to get something you can ether sell, or use for yourself.
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post Sep 10 2017, 05:32
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Should I upgrade SoL if I'm using 1 IA slot for it? SoL upgrades only improve the effect duration and increase base mana cost
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post Sep 10 2017, 06:15
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Should I upgrade SoL if I'm using 1 IA slot for it? SoL upgrades only improve the effect duration and increase base mana cost

Well, the higher the Proficiency, the longer the "duration" therefore the lower is the MP Upkeep per round. I was shocked when i acctual got mana with threee active IA for the first time. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) So, i dont see a reason why not upgrade the spells inside your IA. Besides, what else do you want to use your ability points for?
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post Sep 10 2017, 06:17
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QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Sep 10 2017, 03:59) *

Monsterlab is all just numbers. The more monsters you have, the more gifts you get from them, the greater the chance to get something you can ether sell, or use for yourself.


Hmm, i have read about whether it is better to have many PL 25 monster or few PL 1100.
What would you recommend?

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post Sep 10 2017, 06:21
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QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Sep 10 2017, 06:15) *

Well, the higher the Proficiency, the longer the "duration" therefore the lower is the MP Upkeep per round. I was shocked when i acctual got mana with threee active IA for the first time. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) So, i dont see a reason why not upgrade the spells inside your IA. Besides, what else do you want to use your ability points for?

Better spirit something and haste. Well I'll just train to get some more ability points

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Hmm, i have read about whether it is better to have many PL 25 monster or few PL 1100.
What would you recommend?


You can do both at the same time. Creating monsters uses tokens while upgrading PL uses crystals.

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post Sep 10 2017, 06:26
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Upgraded Spark of Life decreases the mana cost, not increases it like some other buffs (Regen).

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If you want to have total control over what elements you bring to the battlefield, stay at level 9 and throw in infusions.

Ah, now I understand why some rich players have Peerless Ethereals with full forge but at perfect IW 9.9 forever. Still, I saw someone with two different, soulfused Peerless Ethereal Rapier of Slaughter at IW 9.9 so why not make one Holy Strike and the other one Dark Strike? If he wants to change he can use the other one.
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post Sep 10 2017, 06:32
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QUOTE(as013 @ Sep 10 2017, 06:21) *

You can do both at the same time. Creating monsters uses tokens while upgrading PL uses crystals.


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post Sep 10 2017, 06:55
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QUOTE(rokyroky @ Sep 10 2017, 06:17) *

Hmm, i have read about whether it is better to have many PL 25 monster or few PL 1100.
What would you recommend?

Well, that depends on how many M can you spend to create PL1100 monster. I dont even own a single monster above PL1000, i have Crystarium IV, have spend every single crystal into my monsters, and did buy for around 4~5M into crystal packs over the years. Does this answer your question about PL1100?

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post Sep 10 2017, 07:01
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(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Congrats!



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Congratulations ALL_MIGHT on achieving a near perfection ethereal rapier! So even if the trick is not real, Snowflake heard your prayer lol. Trick might still be worth trying anyway, the credits cost is minimal. Maybe lololo is posting fake information (he didn't post his item world screenshot) so that Tenboro won't fix it haha.


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post Sep 10 2017, 07:43
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QUOTE(rokyroky @ Sep 10 2017, 06:17) *

Hmm, i have read about whether it is better to have many PL 25 monster or few PL 1100.
What would you recommend?



My recommendation is to keep all monsters at PL25. Those few PL1100 monsters are for when you get bored with the game after your final equip set is complete. Until that time, just sell all chrystals and use the cash on gear.

This is by the way the consensus, that PL25 only is the best for getting income.
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post Sep 10 2017, 09:08
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So I happened to buy a staff in auction:
Legendary Demonic Katalox Staff of Destruction

I thought it might be fun to diversify a bit. Maybe play another element, and exploiting the 'good day of the week' a bit more. But this staff isn't it yet, this one is just for getting to know Dark. I'm not souldfusing it, so it will be resold or go into rent-service later.

Couple of questions:

1. Am I correct in thinking that Katalox is good against SG, because of the sheer damage?
2. Katalox + imperil, does that even work? Willow is probably much better.
3. Pen5, spel4? Or do we go for Pen5 Arch4 for katalox? (for this staff, I'll settle for Pen5 + 2 of the required pot)
4. I was hoping to pick the staff up for under 0.5m - paid 0.9m. A bit too expensive for this one, isn't it?

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post Sep 10 2017, 09:10
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QUOTE(DJNoni @ Sep 10 2017, 01:43) *

My recommendation is to keep all monsters at PL25. Those few PL1100 monsters are for when you get bored with the game after your final equip set is complete. Until that time, just sell all chrystals and use the cash on gear.

This is by the way the consensus, that PL25 only is the best for getting income.


What about using minor upgrades for morale? It's very manageable at the start, and I know it can't last forever, but that has to be cheaper than using happy pills for a while, right?
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post Sep 10 2017, 09:34
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TBH i never did buy happy pills and i have never understand how someone could care about how much they are woth. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)
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post Sep 10 2017, 10:22
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QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Sep 10 2017, 06:55) *

Well, that depends on how many M can you spend to create PL1100 monster. I dont even own a single monster above PL1000, i have Crystarium IV, have spend every single crystal into my monsters, and did buy for around 4~5M into crystal packs over the years. Does this answer your question about PL1100?


I bought a few crystal packs (under 50) and my flagship is approaching 1k2 already. Crys 3.
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post Sep 10 2017, 10:35
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QUOTE(as013 @ Sep 10 2017, 05:32) *

Should I upgrade SoL if I'm using 1 IA slot for it? SoL upgrades only improve the effect duration and increase base mana cost

I think it's still beneficial to keep Spark slotted even if you have it on autocast

Manacost with Better Spark: 2.11 MP/round

without: 3.61 MP/round

An that's with SS, SV and SoL on autocast and 30% reduction, the difference is significant enough to warrant the use of the ability imho
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QUOTE(DJNoni @ Sep 10 2017, 15:08) *

So I happened to buy a staff in auction:
Legendary Demonic Katalox Staff of Destruction

I thought it might be fun to diversify a bit. Maybe play another element, and exploiting the 'good day of the week' a bit more. But this staff isn't it yet, this one is just for getting to know Dark. I'm not souldfusing it, so it will be resold or go into rent-service later.

Couple of questions:

1. Am I correct in thinking that Katalox is good against SG, because of the sheer damage?
2. Katalox + imperil, does that even work? Willow is probably much better.
3. Pen5, spel4? Or do we go for Pen5 Arch4 for katalox? (for this staff, I'll settle for Pen5 + 2 of the required pot)
4. I was hoping to pick the staff up for under 0.5m - paid 0.9m. A bit too expensive for this one, isn't it?


1. Yes at least it'll be better than cold
2. It works but Willow outclasses it (GF,IW, not sure about Arena)
3. If you're only to use it for SG then pen5 arch 4 I guess
4. It would've been a steal years ago but willow is too op now. It's an okay price
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QUOTE(tecche @ Sep 10 2017, 10:35) *

I think it's still beneficial to keep Spark slotted even if you have it on autocast

Manacost with Better Spark: 2.11 MP/round

without: 3.61 MP/round

An that's with SS, SV and SoL on autocast and 30% reduction, the difference is significant enough to warrant the use of the ability imho

Oh thanks. Everything is better with numbers
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How do you keep all monsters at power level 25? Don't you need to feed them crystals for morale? Do sad monsters give gifts with only food?

Today I thought to try a new playstyle with 1H. Instead of killing each monster one at a time, I spread the damage around and keep each monster alive. This is similar to how I used to play 2H as a beginner. This method is risky but it does more damage by increasing the number of counter attacks. Also you always attack a stunned enemy this way, so all hits are guaranteed.

In Research for 1H he attacked a stunned enemy 62% of the time, resulting in Overpower 5 having a 1.3% damage boost. If you use the spread playstyle with 1H, Overpower becomes worthless, Butcher gets better in comparison to Fatality, and Swift Strike becomes more hurtful (it can still disappear with burden).

Also for 1H elemental strikes, if you consider the slowing effect of Cold Shield and Wind Shield, then Wind Strike and Electric Strike are not good, for the same reason Swift Strike is not good. So for 1H maybe the only good elemental strikes are Dark Strike, Holy Strike, and Cold Strike.

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post Sep 10 2017, 12:15
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QUOTE(rokyroky @ Sep 10 2017, 06:17) *

Hmm, i have read about whether it is better to have many PL 25 monster or few PL 1100.
What would you recommend?


I suggest you do like I do: raise the PL of a few monsters to get some high grade, maybe raise their chaos level a bit too, and have an army of low PL besides them. That wy you can have a wealth quantity and still get a bit of quality.

QUOTE(BlueWaterSplash @ Sep 10 2017, 11:57) *

How do you keep all monsters at power level 25? Don't you need to feed them crystals for morale? Do sad monsters give gifts with only food?

Today I thought to try a new playstyle with 1H. Instead of killing each monster one at a time, I spread the damage around and keep each monster alive. This is similar to how I used to play 2H as a beginner. This method is risky but it does more damage by increasing the number of counter attacks. Also you always attack a stunned enemy this way, so all hits are guaranteed.

In Research for 1H he attacked a stunned enemy 62% of the time, resulting in Overpower 5 having a 1.3% damage boost. If you use the spread playstyle with 1H, Overpower becomes worthless, Butcher gets better in comparison to Fatality, and Swift Strike becomes more hurtful (it can still disappear with burden).

Also for 1H elemental strikes, if you consider the slowing effect of Cold Shield and Wind Shield, then Wind Strike and Electric Strike are not good, for the same reason Swift Strike is not good. So for 1H maybe the only good elemental strikes are Dark Strike, Holy Strike, and Cold Strike.


Keeping monsters at PL25 is complete idiocy. If you want to spend the least amount of money possible on the monsters, you should raise their morale with crystals until doing so is more expensive than using happy pills. I read some players saying that it occurs around PL200 or so.

I'm askng myself something: why does everyone keep associating elemental strikes with the spike shield? Isn't the spike shield's debuff supposed to amplify the damage of elemental spells cast on the monsters? Afaik my elemental strikes never, ever removed the debuff on the monsters, so i'm assuming that they don't get amplified by the debuff, right?
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