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post Sep 13 2017, 10:57
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Hello!

No matter, are you novice or expert, sooner or lately you will ask yourself a question - what I can do to make playing of HentaiVerse easier and faster.
  • Maybe you struggle where to find credits and what are easiest sources of income?
  • Maybe you are playing hard and a lot, but all your drops are miserably, pathetic and low?
  • Maybe you spending too much time on clearing arena and want to know how can you optimize your time?
No matter what brought you here, but I hope that thread will be helpful and will make your HentaiVerse-ing easier.

Yes, that thread is long and takes time to read, but if you want to be successful in HentaiVerse - you WILL read it.


1. Stop clicking, start hovering (or Monsterbation to rescue)
How are playing HentaiVerse?
Are you clicking on each monster to kill them?
If so, then you should stop doing it right now!
Let's compare clicking and hovering mechanics, so you clearly see the difference.
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So, hovering is not just FASTER, but it also EASIER and more HANDY than regular clicking.
But how can you start hovering?
Easy enough - start using Monsterbation script. Visit the Scripts & Tools wiki page and download latest version of Monsterbation.

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If you never ever heard about about scripts, Tampermonker or Greasemonkey and all this sounds like some voodoo magic for you, then visit this link. Here you can find all explanations and instructions.

Monsterbation script is basically all-in-one Swiss-knife for battle. It gives you shortcuts, lots of features and most importantly - ability to attack enemies by hovering on them.

Hovering is legal method of attacking and whole Monsterbation script is legal, so you will not get ban, do not worry.
Monsterbation is developed and supported by sickentide.


2. Performance Improvements (or browser do really matter)
Sooner or lately you will ask yourself a question - how can you increase performance of the game? How can you make it faster?

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Community uses "tps" attribute to tell how fast game operates on their device/PC.
tps means "turns per second" and varies in somewhere from 0 to 4. You cannot have more than 4 tps - this is server-side restriction.
Most people are playing at somewhere between 2.5-3.5 tps - this is a comfort speed to play.


How can you measure your tps?
Two solutions:
  1. Use Monsterbation (see above) - it has an option to tell you your tps at the end of the battle;
  2. Use Battle Stats EX script (made by tatarime and Trifle) - that scripts acts more like a benchmark and may show you your current tps (at this precise moment of the battle).
Now, when you can find your tps, you should know what affects tps:
  • Your browser;
  • Your ping/bandwidth/ISP;
  • Your background services/soft (skype, torrents, download managers, etc);
  • Your PC's specs (actual, mostly, for old PC);
  • Your PC's health condition, mostly HDD fragmentation;
First three are major, last two are mostly optional and debatable.
If you need any help or your technical knowledge is not good, then you can ask for help in our tech chat sub-forum.

1. Browser
What browser you using to play HentaiVerse? Probably Firefox or Chrome.
But do you know that what browser you are using - DO really matter?

I am not trying to say that Firefox is slow and Chrome is faster, but in my experience (and lots of people do tell) - Chrome is faster for HentaiVerse, so if you considering to play HentaiVerse a lot, maybe it would be a good idea to switch to Chrome to play it, or alternatively, you can use the portable version of Iron browser to play HentaiVerse and use your regular browser to other things.

Chromium Browser is, simple say, Chrome without any Google-ish things. You can find it [crportable.sourceforge.net] here
If you are Firefox-guy/girl and don't want to use Chrome/Chromium, then consider to check [www.palemoon.org] PaleMoon browser - it is same Firefox without some weird/nasty/odd stuff you can find in Firefox.

Again, I am not advocating you to use some specific browser and abandon your current one, but just saying that maybe you should consider an alternative...

Also, it may be good idea to use separate browser for HentaiVerse, because all extensions, history will probably slow down your tps and second browser (even in portable format) will make managing cookie/cache/data easier and more secure.

2. Find your ping
Ping is, roughly speaking, the interval of how long it takes to signal come from your PC/device to server (in milliseconds). The lower it is - the better.
There are lots of instructions how to find your current ping (Just ask the Google "how to find my ping?"), but I think [iihelp.iinet.net.au] this instruction is easiest one to follow.
With ping below 250 ms (roughly) you can comfortably play HentaiVerse. Ping is very complicated thing and takes lots of stuff in account from ISP to weather - so your ping may vary between sessions and days and even if ping is good your browser still may be slow.
Also, if you will check your ping, check ping to alt.hentaiverse.org - you will get more correct results this way

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You can use either hentaiverse.org or alt.hentaiverse.org domains to play the game. The difference is that latter is htts:// , not https:// as former, and has no cloudflare protection. People do think that alt.hentaiverse.org is faster than regular domain but that may be different in your case


3. Background consumers
Lots of soft/services are using your bandwidth without even letting you know and may be a reason why HentaiVerse is so slow for you.
First, you should find what are using your bandwidth (Just ask the Google "what soft is using my bandwidth?"), Maybe you should start with reading [superuser.com] this .

4. Clean your PC up
Okay, first at all - "Cleaner software" are mostly lie. There is no software in the world that can "increase your PC's speed by 300%" or "can free 600 GB in one click" - this is a just marketing lie. There is no ~wonder button~ that makes your PC run faster, but there are lots of software that doing unnecessary tweaks and optimization that just go wrong for you.
As for cleaners, I do recommend using [www.piriform.com] CCleaner to clean your PC and remove unnecessary files. But you should know two things:
  • Do not remove/delete/clean things you don't know;
  • Always check what program is trying to delete/remove/delete/clean;
Some folks are saying that cleaning your PC is good step to make it run faster (not only for HentaiVerse, but overall), but that advice is based, mostly, on rumors - it may be helpful or may not.

5. Defrag your HDD
There are lots and lots of articles about the defragging in the internet (Just ask the Google "how to defrag my hdd?").
You may use standard OS's service to defrag your PC's HDD or may use third-party tools. I do prefer former, but compare to cleaners (see above) it is not that tricky and odd to use third-party tools.
Again, some people say that defrag should increase the speed, some tell that it should not - lots of opinions here, but it is ALWAYS a good idea to defrag your HDD - it will not make things worse.

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post Sep 13 2017, 11:03
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3. WTS / WTB / Auctions / Freeshop / Services (or you don't even know how many stuff are going on at forum)

Before read below, you should know what MoogleMail and COD are
The worst mistake you can make in HentaiVerse is playing only by yourself without any other people involved. Yes, you can in theory, play by yourself without even vising forum once, but my God, what game it would be!
There are so so may things happened in forum that it makes your head spin around.

1. WTS (Want To Sell)
WTS is a trading place where people are selling items and equipment to each other.
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People are mostly selling items for price lower than ones in bazaar have. For example it is common to see that people are selling Happy Pills for 1,400-1,500 credits (their bazaar price is 2,000), or Mana Draugths for 6-8 credits (their bazaar price is 50).
Just think about how many credits you will save if you will buy stuff from real people, not from bazaar, for novices such difference in prices is critical.


One important rule - before buying anything check shops of other people - chances are that you may find even better/lower price and thus can save few credits. Do not buy things from the very first shop you will find.
Second important rule - read carefully shop's rules. Some traders are asking for CoD, some are not, some giving a discount on certain conditions, some prefer one way of payment more than others and so on. Reading shop's rules carefully you can save yourself from troubles and save few credits.

2. WTB (Want To Buy)
WTB is a trading place where people are buying items and equipment from each other.
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Selling your stuff to people is best income you can afford without heavy grinding. During the battle you will get lots of useless (for you) junk. Just because things are useless for you doesn't mean they are useless for everyone. As melee you may never use infusions or scrolls, but mage-users are relaying on them.

Again, as with with WTS - before sending your junk to anyone else, check other threads - it is possible that you will find a person who want to buy stuff on better condition/price than anyone else, so don't trade with very first person you will see, give some time and check other threads.
Yes, this is okay to create your own WTB with anything you want to and any price, but if your price is too low, don't expected people will sell you stuff. When you will be over with your buying, just rename your shop into "[closed]".

At some point you will find yourself too tired from constant clicking new thread, checking prices, closing, open new, etc. To optimize your WTS/WTB experience there is a special script Smart Search script (by Superlatanium). That scripts allows to check multiple threads for certain things at once and thus saves you lots of time.
Using of it is very simple.
1. After installing the script you will see new text field with buttons "SmartSearh" and "Save" near. Click on "Save". It will be turned into "Downloading", and few seconds later to "Saved".
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2. Then visit the second page and repeat that procedure. Then visit third page and repeat
3. After that input in text field what thing you want to sell or buy (for example "vase") and click on "SmartSearh" button
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4. Second later window would be transformed in some weird way, don't be scared and scroll down
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5. And voila - all shops that buying/selling vase and their prices! You don't ever need to check every single thread separately!
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Because that script is complex, I recommend you to check author's instructions

3. Auctions
Community has auctions - weekly-based event, where, as in real life, we have the lots (various good and mediocre equipment) and people may bid for them.
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Auctions are easiest way to find great equipment, but hardest way to actually buy them, so expecte good completion for very nice stuff (sometimes bid may go over 10millions credits!).

Currently we have two major auctions: Superlatanium's Auctions and Kedama's Auctions. You can find auctions in WTS-thread they have "[auction]" tag in name.
If you want to participate in auction and make bids - carefully read rules.
If you want to send things for auction - carefully read rules.
In a moment of doubts - carefully read the rules.
Auctions may looks complicated with such terms as "proxy bid", "minimum bid increment", "outbid" and such, but once you will start actually playing at auctions - you will eventually understand their system, it just comes with the experience.

4. Freeshop
You can get nice stuff for free. Yes, for absolutely free.
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There are lots of shops/threads where people are giving away their credits, equipment, restoratives for free, just because they want to.

In WTS/WTB threads you can find lots of shops which has something with "[free]" tag in name. It is hard to say whose idea it was to create shops which will give away free items and equipment, but the idea was popularized by WhiteWolfRevy92 (aka wolfgirl_of_autumn92) and AnimeAi
Most famous shop of free stuff is named (oddly enough) FreeShop and it is currently maintained by piyin.
Lots of people are working (and were working) in FreeShop, you can find their names in this post.
Oh, I know you will hate me for saying this, but you should read the rules before asking for something. Just make it your motto - "read the rules before anything else".

5. Services
And if you think that this is all what community can give you, then you are wrong. Community also has lots of service-shops, like IWservice (people are doing IW for you), RentService (people are renting you nice equipment), and God-knows-what-else.


4. Searching for equipment (or don't be afraid to buy high-level gears)

Okay, the top-one problem in the game is to find an equipment.
Before we start, please remember following the following rules:
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You CANNOT wear equipment which level is higher than yours.
You can, however, soulfuse equipment which level is <100 levels higher than yours (If you are level 123, you can soulfuse equipment with level is below 223, but not higher). Soulfusing is basically downgrading equipment to your level. You need Soul Fragments to soulfuse equipment.
If it says that equipment has unassigned level, than it means that you can wear it and its level would be equal to your level at the moment of first wearing.

Until the level 150-200 user can simple use equipment he got as drop from monsters or buy nice stuff from bazaar, but with increasing of level and difficulty player more and more in demand for good-quality (magnificent/legendary) gears and this is very problems came from - where to find them?
Here is guidelines where/how to find equipment:

1. Get from drops
The main problem with drops is their randomness. You can increase chances to get equipment drop in following ways:
  1. Do training. They are must to get nice drops. We have four training that related to drops:
    a ) Scavenger (miserably increases the change of dropping anything);
    b ) Quartermaster (significantly increases the chance of dropping the equipment);
    c ) Luck of the Draw (miserably increases the change that dropped equipment would be power/phase/shade/force);
    d ) Archaeologist (significantly increases the chance of dropping artifact);
    As you can see they all are tied together and preferably should be trained simultaneously with little preference to Archaeologist and Quartermaster.
  2. Play on harder difficulties. Monsters on harder difficulties are dropping loot more often and quality of dropped equipment would be way higher.
  3. Play Random Encounters. In RE you have higher chances for drops and thus can get nice equipment easily (of course if random decided to make it easier).
2. Shrine trophies
You will get trophies from killing the bosses, schoolgirls and gods and then you can shine them to receive equipment. Sounds fair, but actual chances are that you will shrine 2000 trophies and will get 2000 trash. Shrining is such gamble, that people prefer even do not bother with it and just sell trophies to other players in WTB.

3. Lotteries
Sounds fair enough - you are buying lottery tickets and may get peerless equipment in a case of wining. But sad truth is that lottery is so unpredictable and so random that your chances to get equipment are very scarce. And also if lottery prize is very good, than lots of people will buy tickets and your real chances to win and equals to zero.

4. Buy from bazaar
Yes, bazaar is a thing when you want to buy low-quality gears but chances that someone dropped in bazaar nice magnificent/legendary gear that matches your level is miserable, so don't bother...

5. Buy from WTS
That is something reasonable - people are selling equipment for desired price. Mostly these equipment are magnificent/legendary. However you need to consider one things - most sellers are high-level players and they are selling their drops, so eventually these stuff would have a level higher than yours. Still you should not be afraid. You can buy equipment with level <100 more than yours and soulfuse it with Soul Fragments. Yes it make take time to get enough Soul Fragments to soulfuse equipment, but this is way most people do and there is nothing wrong with it. Once again, if you are 235 level, you can soulfuse equipment with level lower than 335.

6. Buy from auctions
Last but not least way - buying things from auctions. The trickiest thing is bidding, if equipment is good, than people will bid for it and sometimes bid may have 8-digits in. However, auctions are good way to buy some mediocre (compare to high-class) equipment, because mostly people don't bother too much about them, so you may have chance to get something from here for 50k-200k.


5. It is time to get money (or how want to be a millionaire)

It is all about money. You need credits for everything: to buy equipment, to buy items, to buy materials, to buy training, to buy hath perks - anything, however money is not a easy thing to get.
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First let's make it clear, until you reach level 300 and will be able to clear all arenas on PFUDOR (with last three arenas on something else) - you will be very tight with your money, so be prepared for heavy grinding.


Your main income sources are:
1. Credit Drops
OK, pretty obvious - monster died, left money - everything seems right... and so it is, but you need to consider few things:
  1. Monsters drop lots of money in Random Encounter, good amount in Arenas, but miserable amount in Grindfest/Item World. So doing latter for money purpose is not a wise idea.
  2. You can NOT increase the chances to dropping the credits by increasing your Scavenger training.
2. Selling junk
It has been mentioned above, but I will repeat again - do not hoard useless junk, but go sell them. Everything you do not need; scrolls, infusions, gums, vases - just go and sell them in WTB section.

3. Selling trophies
After the killing of boss, schoolgirls or god you will receive a trophy which you can shrine for equipment. Mostly, you will receive trash after shrining, so why bother with shrining after all? It is better to go to WTB section and find someone who are buying trophies and send them to him. But, please, do not sell trophies one by one, better collect good amount (say, 50 of every tier) and sell them.
Best thing you can do is completing last three arenas every single day (you don't need to be on PFUDOR difficulty), get all received trophies and sell them. It won't take too much time to finish last three arenas on, say, Hell difficulty, however you will gets lots of trophies that you can further trade for credits.
The most valuable trophy is Noodly Appendage. It costs ~40,000 credits and you can get from 5-tokens/10-tokens Rings of Blood only. Most people prefer do not do 10-tokens Ring of Blood, because it is way more profitable to do 2x 5-tokens Rings of Blood instead because they would get 2x Noodly Appendage.
Generally, if you will every single day clear all arenas and 5-token Ring of Blood, you can easily get ~1m of income every single week by trading trophies.

4. Selling artifacts/Energy Drink
Randomly, after the killing of enemy, you can get Precursor Artifact and here is trickiest thing. You can sell it in WTB section for ~20,000 or you can try to shrine it and hope to receive Energy Drink and sell it in WTB section for ~100,000.
Chance to get Energy Drink is, basically, 20%, however on start that chances is lower, because the chance to get Permanent attribute bonus (PAB) is calculated according to how many PABs you already have. So, eventually in first, say, 100 shrining you will get lots of PABs and few of Energy Drink.
Both ways are good and if you prefer gambling - go for shrining path, otherwise sell Artifacts and do not bother.

5. High-Grade Cloth (HGC) && High-Grade Wood (HGW)
Chances are that monster after the battle may drop magnificent/legendary shield/staff/cotton/phase equipment. First at all that equipment may worth a fortune, so ask people if this equipment is valuable and if it doesn't then do not bazaar it, but rather salvage it for HGC or HGW. Former is costed ~18,000 in WTB section, latter is ~7,000 - so they may be an extra profit for you.

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That's all folks, good luck in playing and wish you all nice peerless drop =)

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post Sep 13 2017, 11:03
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post Sep 13 2017, 18:59
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Dude, HDDs stopped being fragged the day Windows Vista came out. And there do are shops for players below lvl300.
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post Sep 13 2017, 19:40
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This is a pretty nice thread for starting players. I approve (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Two minor points:

1) You might be overpricing HGC and HGW a bit. 18k and 7k would probably be more accurate. And staffs can also be salvaged for HGW (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

2) Regarding credit drops, this is wrong: "You can increase the chances to dropping the credits by increasing your Scavenger training."

According to wiki:

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the credit drop chance is static (~20%?) and is not affected by anything (e.g. increasing Scavenger does not negatively impact credit drop chance in any significant way)


Very nice work overall (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

EDIT: I suppose you won't be including stuff about making credits/hath outside the game? (H@H, adopting servers, selling stars, doing bounties, etc.)

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1) You might be overpricing HGC and HGW a bit. 18k and 7k would probably be more accurate. And staffs can also be salvaged for HGW

Yes, agreed. I decided to round numbers to highest, but it was better idea to round them to lowest.

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2) Regarding credit drops, this is wrong: "You can increase the chances to dropping the credits by increasing your Scavenger training."

Ouch, I missed "NOT"-thing. I wanted to say to Scavenger will not affect credit drops exactly as wiki says, but lose "not" in the process. Thanks =)

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EDIT: I suppose you won't be including stuff about making credits/hath outside the game? (H@H, adopting servers, selling stars, doing bounties, etc.)

I want include them in future. I have reserved a little place for this purpose.
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however you can easily get about 1m-1,5m of income every single week by trading trophies only


Don't give new players false hope. I never get more than 1M/week from blackjac. The average is around 700-800k.

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Don't give new players false hope. I never get more than 1M/week from blackjac. The average is around 700-800k

Funny, but last two weeks I especially measure how much money I got from trading trophies:
1 week - 1,234k
2 week - 1,312k

I dunno why you have that low income from them, seriously...
Do you also include Noodles and Sappling? (to hell with Sappling, this ~6,000 is not important...)
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QUOTE(f4tal @ Sep 13 2017, 21:28) *

Funny, but last two weeks I especially measure how much money I got from trading trophies:
1 week - 1,234k
2 week - 1,312k

I dunno why you have that low income from them, seriously...
Do you also include Noodles and Sappling? (to hell with Sappling, this ~6,000 is not important...)


I suppose he means that your "selling trophies" section makes it look like those numbers are possible with just doing the last 3 arenas. However, to get over 1m/week, you'd need to do ALL second page arenas every day, plus FSM, which you forgot to mention (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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I suppose he means that your "selling trophies" section makes it look like those numbers are possible with just doing the last 3 arenas. However, to get over 1m/week, you'd need to do ALL second page arenas every day, plus FSM, which you forgot to mention

Now I see. Yes, agreed with you both. I will fix it then.
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I wanna suggest a change on this line:

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Most famous shop is FreeShop - it was established long-long time ago by WhiteWolfRevy92 (aka wolfgirl_of_autumn92) and works well up to this day. Currently it is maintained by piyin.


Why?

Just to be historically accurate:
- WhiteWolfRevy92 / wolfgirl_of_autumn92 (Or just Revy for the friends) WASNT the first one that created the concept of the Free quipments shop, i cant remember his hame, but there was another guy doing this before Revy.

HOWEVER, Revy's WAS THE MOST POPULAR at some point in the WTS forum for a long time (around 1 and half i think), and some time after that, AnimeAi (the original creator of the Freeshop idea) talked to her to merge the concept in a very big and more organizated projec creating, thus, FREESHOP.

Originally, the staff members included:

AnimeAi: Co founder.

Drakewyn: Staff member.

Elven Ranger: Staff member.

Inu Sakuya: Staff member.

kevmasterzoc: Staff member (cant remember if he alro did some script work)

Lement: staff member and FS script creator.

Piyin: Staff member.

Scremaz: Staff

WhiteWolfRevy92: Co founder and living legend of the Sharing soul of Freeshop (i, at least, keep her name in my shrine of personal heroes).

Anyway, Animeai had a very special idea about how Freeshop would work and the GREATEST iea of making sharing stuff something that can bring not only happiness to new players but also an advantageous way to make the donators get their hands in a bunch of prizes (HATHS and Credits at the beginning).

Sadly, after some time, and some events realized, AnimeAi just stop working on FS, and within the lapse of 2 years 80% of the original staff wasnt there anymore (including Revym who had been banned by that time for some reason, according to her).

Anyway, some of the member are still around the forums and others just dont look to be playing/in the forums anymore.

ANYWAY! Returning to the main point: It would be nice to add Animeai to that part (has he was the one requesting to the OVERLOR TENBORO himself, the shared account).

Ant thats it. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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Oh, I see. I really thought she was a founder of FreeShop, and I even asked (long ago) some people about whos idea it was to create a FreeShop and they pointed at her. Also there was a special script and sends equipment to her.
So, I assumed she was a founder of very same idea of FreeShop. I was informed wrong =(

Thanks for explanation, piyin, I will add whatever information you want about this subject =)
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*erm* should this be a quick guide or what? if you want to give quick hints, it should be relatively compact. without too much drama, i really fail to see how FS history could help newbies into making money. funny, interesting as much as you want, but not useful here.

as for credits limits: giving conservative amounts is fine, but if the vast majority of users earn, saying, 1.4M from them, underestimating it to 800k may lead to users think it's not worth it - when in fact it could one of their main sources of income. eventually add a 10% spread, but that's that imo. (*)
this will also have the side effect of preventing you from changing it too often in case WTB price changes. same goes for HGC (currently 15~18k?) and HGW.

also, chance of earning EDs from artifacts is PAB-dependent (quite heavily, especially at the start). sssss estimated a hath : LE : ED : crystal : PAB ratio of 1 : 1 : 1 : 2 : 0~5 or so. one newbie may want to sell them at first for quick credits, and start shrining them lately.

as for auctions, i'd say suggest them to put themselves an upper limit in order not to hurt themselves too much.

last but not the least, some hints about how to improve your PC's health (like using CCleaner) are common knowledge and are fine, but don't forget we have a Tech section here - which is frequently lurked by a couple global mods, so it's most likely one of the safest and most user-friendly ones. don't be afraid to send them there.


(*) regarding SGs trophies: let's take datas from here: https://ehwiki.org/wiki/Arena#Arena_Challenges
and quotations from blackjac. Konata is worth 1500C, the other three 1950, so average is 1837.5. 1850 to do quick math and cover eventual variations.

trophy drop has a static 10% average drop chance. total amount from three SGs is: 403 + 5 trophies, valued:

(403 * 0.1 + 5) * 1850 = 84.2k daily = 590k weekly.

if you do T&T too, then it's another 6.4 * 7 = 45k weekly

let's say you earn enough tokens to do 4 FSM, it means: (42000 + 3 * 1950) * 4 = 191k weekly

the sum being: 590 + 45 + 191 = 830k = (750 ~ 900) k/wk. trophies only. of course, heavily dependant on your level (you can already halve it if you're under lv300)

credit drops and a bit of bazaar fodder, and you're surely at 1M/wk. add artifacts and a bit of luck with monsters (too random things to be quantified, so let's omit them), you could reach 1.5M. you need to play everyday though.

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post Sep 14 2017, 02:29
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I'm guessing I'm not that close to the server but my ping to e-hentai.org is still only 58 ms so I should have a pretty good connection, right? When I play the "click" style on FireFox indeed the response is about similar to your GIF animation, about 1 turns/second. It seems like Monsterbation will double the speed. I will try it sometime later when I am stronger.

But I wonder, how can Monsterbation double the speed? I can understand that Chrome may be faster because it is an entirely different program. But how can a script running inside of FireFox make it faster? FireFox must be so terrible?
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'm guessing I'm not that close to the server but my ping to e-hentai.org is still only 58 ms so I should have a pretty good connection, right?

Ping is just a value that tells you can long it takes to move signal from yor device to server. If you have bad ping, you definitely will have awful game experience, however good ping does not guarantee good speed in the game. You can consider a piing as a minimal diagnostic tool - if it bad, then anything will be bad, if it good, then you have a chance =)

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I will try it sometime later when I am stronger.

Why not right now? If you afraid that monster may kill you while hovering then fear not - Monsterbation has a special option that will stop hovering on say, when you have lower than 50% of HP or 30% of MP.

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But I wonder, how can Monsterbation double the speed?

Human factor. While clicking - you do not press the button as soon as page has been loaded - you take some time to actually press mouse button, then wait for loading and press again. These precise millesonds between clicking are the key. Human brain (and body) takes time to understand that page has been loaded and you can click again, then it takes time to out your finger down.
In case of hovering - you are always attacking, without losing any time.
Also mind that there is no "You are victorious" between rounds with Monsterbation - so it saves an extra time here too.
You can, alternatively, press numeric keys on keyboard down - you will see that holding , say numpad1, increases the speed of ckilling monsters too =)
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Okay it's human factor, so no magic. Today I tried your keyboard "1" method and it's maybe 50% faster on my Firefox. I also tried different PC and Chrome (which I had used before, but not as often) with normal clicking method, and I think it is also about 50% faster than Firefox. So if the two are combined, it will optimize to more than twice as fast.

I believe there is also another side explanation besides human factor, but it's complicated. I noticed in your GIF and also in my experience, that Hentaiverse server response varies greatly. Therefore to exaggerate, suppose that half the time (real world, not clicks) hentaiverse takes 10 seconds to respond, and half of the time hentaiverse responds in 1 second. Assuming perfect response, the "1" method or Monsterbation, would input 11 attacks in 20 seconds, so about 0.5 turns/second.

A human under the same conditions might become annoyed. Even though he can do faster, he may input only one click every 10 seconds because it is reliable, therefore 0.1 turns/second.

Also I don't know why, but in my experience if I click manually very fast when the Hentaiverse server is having trouble, it can cause problems to either Hentaiverse server or my Firefox, and it will become three times even more slower. Maybe it's my imagination.

Yes, fear of death was my main worry. I have downloaded Monsterbation now but didn't install yet. Option to stop hovering automatically sounds wonderful, maybe more important than the hovering itself. However, I have to wonder if it is not cheating. From your FAQ:

Q. Is all scripts legal?
A. By default all scripts are legal and allow to use. But some sort of scripts may receive ban for violation rules. None scripts should provide:
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Any automation or semi-automation of gameplay beyond a single "action".
Anything that automates actions without direct player input.
Any parsing of live data to decide on actions.
Anything that has the function of picking a target automatically, regardless of the actual method.
Anything that interprets the page in any way to pick a target or action.

In my opinion, the option to stop hovering upon detection of 50% life or any other conditions, is a violation of rule #3 and #5. The option to hover at all, is a violation of rule #1 and #2.

I love to defy rules and see all the obscene hentai that is against the laws of foolish society so I am not complaining. I will cheat in online games and run around naked if it can be done, is hard to detect, and I feel like it (I may not often feel like it). But I still think it is worth it to consider the issues in using such a script.
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QUOTE(BlueWaterSplash @ Sep 14 2017, 02:29) *

I'm guessing I'm not that close to the server but my ping to e-hentai.org is still only 58 ms so I should have a pretty good connection, right?

It depends, you should never directly ping e-hentai/hentaiverse but always alt.hentaiverse.org.
Pinging cloudflare is completely useless to determine HV speed.
It should probably be added in the top post.

Also:
- I have no idea why Iron Browser is recommended, the only reason it was suggested in the past was because you could add userscripts without tampermonkey.
Since last versions don't even have that feature it's much easier to just use chromium directly, which is updated more often (in particular I would use a [crportable.sourceforge.net] portable version).
- You should probably not use your regular browser for hentaiverse since extensions, history etc etc will probably slow down your tps (Firefox in particular will not perform well at all unless used with a clean profile).
- How can defrag help when the browser mostly resides in memory? It's easy to check that browsers don't do any meaningful disk activity.
- Why is CCleaner recommended? How can removing unnecessary files speed up HV (also see previous point)?
- Who ever saw HV slowed down by background services? Also no one without a decent technical knowledge should attempt to identify background services. I saw my fair share of people disabling windows services to speed up their system. They all ended up with the same speed and a crippled windows installation.

Please don't add unproven/dangerous suggestions, at best you're wasting time, at worst you may have some users fucking up their systems.

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I noticed in your GIF and also in my experience, that Hentaiverse server response varies greatly.

Nope, it's very consistent, it's probably your connection not being very good that creates slower responses.

Also hovering has been officially allowed by Tenboro (as are all the others monsterbation's features).

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Also hovering has been officially allowed by Tenboro (as are all the others monsterbation's features).

discussed (and when needed bargained a bit) all of them, one by one. iirc i let a link hanging around at the start of thread script for coders' sake.
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My ping to alt.hentaiverse.org is 200 ms or more...as you suspected, it's not good after all.

I also have a terrible windows installation on this computer. It is Vista, and every so often it gets stuck for 1 minute for no reason (including while playing this game), and every so often it freezes permanently. I have not been able to identify the cause even after many years. I have disabled all kinds of background services and they keep popping back up. But this is rare, my own fault, and not a significant effect on this game to me.

I expected that Monsterbation and hovering (perhaps even with the automatic features to stop) are allowed by Tenboro. But even so, I have to wonder, what are the rules and what is cheating? If Tenboro allows that (even though I believe it breaks the written 5 rules) why can't I also ask to improve Monsterbation by...using 1H style automatically spread my attacks to target only stunned monsters...using 1H style stop attacking when a monster stun disappears...using DW style calculate exactly the amount of BW damage and stop attacking the monster once he will bleed out, etc?

Maybe Tenboro will say that's going too far, or maybe not. Every videogame is like this. The players want to find special ways to gain an advantage. The developer will give his opinion on what counts as cheating. The developer's opinion isn't always clear or enforceable...and some players will try to follow rules while others do anything they want. But why should the developer even get to decide the rules? In an online game such as this one they may have the power to ban the user, but in some other kinds of games the developer does not have this power (like fighting games in real life, or online peer-to-peer games).
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