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If by "clues", you are asking for evidence, giving out how the evidence was obtained will reveal the methods of the person was caught.

This is not good information to give out, as it makes it easier for other people to circumvent and get around the rules.

No worries man, it will show examples on what is forbidden by the rules so people will know what exactly they should not do, and who have the records of breaching the rules. Such evidence is also important when the authority, here the admin team, judges a person has breached the rules.

The covery of rules is always limited so there are always numerous ways to get around the rules. But showing some simplest ways officially illegel will make it harder to go around, thus blooming the expense of doing so, which decreases the rate of misuse.

Please do not think in a negative way man.

Some gramar mistakes were fixed.

This post has been edited by ComradeGeneral: Oct 26 2020, 16:07

No worries man, it will show examples on what is forbidden by the rules so people will know what exactly they should not do, and who have the records of breaching the rules. Such evidence is also important when the authority, here the admin team, judges a person has breached the rules.

The covery of rules is always limited so there are always numerous ways to get around the rules. But showing some simplest ways officially illegel will make it harder to go around, thus blooming the expense of doing so, which decreases the rate of misuse.

Please do not think in a negative way man.

Some gramar mistakes were fixed.

While what you say is true, what I said is also true. It is a personal decision and the admin's right to favor one side or the other.

PS: The reason why I'm concerned with this insident is that there are several members in the Baidu forums where I'm the admin play HV. As far as I know, they are legit players. It's very common players help with each other by giving/exchanging items via M-Mail. I know thay seldom participate in auctions because it's more time consuming than simply asking other members privately. What I'm worried about is the possibility that you ban players or their shops based on insufficient/unrelated facts with totally wrong reasonings. I must be responsible to keep my members safe, like a country should keep its overseas citizens safe.

The admin can see at a glance if a player is breaking rules, so you don't need to worry about wrongful banning. Your friends are safe if they are not using multiple accounts and such shady stuff.

This post has been edited by Visadio: Oct 26 2020, 16:26

No man, it will show examples on what is forbidden by the rules so people will know what exactly they should not do, and who have the records of breaching the rules. Such evidence is also important when the authority, here the admin team, judges a person has breached the rules.

The covery of rules is always limited so there are always numerous ways to get around the rules. But showing some simplest ways officially illegel will make it harder to go around, thus blooming the expense of doing so, which decreases the rate of misuse.

Please do not think in a negative way man.

Some gramar mistakes were fixed.

Welcome to the forum, comrade. You and me, we want the same thing. We want to prevent that innocent players get banned. We want to intervene as little as possible with what players do. We want to protect the users from 'false positives'. The HV mod team, Scremaz, Lestion and me, as well as the global mods like Varst, are just HV enthusiasts that give their time to help everyone here. We gain nothing from that, we'rejust volunteering because we like the game. Just like you, on baidu!

In the end, this site is ran by only one person. One admin only. (yes if he ever decides to retire, that would be the end of the hentaiverse, but luckily that's not the case). We can't see what he sees. We don't know what the reasons are that players get banned. Often, it's players that I personally regarded as 'friends' - I bet you have the same thing on Baidu? That sucks. When I ask 'are you sure, sir? what's the evidence?" I get no details. Answers like 'he cheated'. So, we're in the same boat here.

I guess you need to trust my judgement, just like the users of Baidu need to trust yours.

No worries man, it will show examples on what is forbidden by the rules so people will know what exactly they should not do, and who have the records of breaching the rules. Such evidence is also important when the authority, here the admin team, judges a person has breached the rules.

The covery of rules is always limited so there are always numerous ways to get around the rules. But showing some simplest ways officially illegel will make it harder to go around, thus blooming the expense of doing so, which decreases the rate of misuse.

Please do not think in a negative way man.

Some gramar mistakes were fixed.

Sure, you can see this post which is stickied at the top of the WTS section, scroll down, and find the following:

Players may be blacklisted/banned if they:
collaborate with other players to make artificial bids in an auction.

It's not exactly unclear that this is forbidden behaviour. This post was lasted edited over a year ago.

As for exactly what constitutes multi-account checks, that's not going to be revealed for obvious security reasons. I can at least tell you it doesn't solely comprise of IP/hardware address checks, and that the multi situation in this case was as close to undeniable as it's going to get.

There is a big difference between having clear rules, and revealing exact methods used to verify how someone broke the rules. That's like saying the bank should tell you their CCTV area coverage because you want to know exactly which of their vault walls it's forbidden to break through. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

While what you say is true, what I said is also true. It is a personal decision and the admin's right to favor one side or the other.

Yes man. I have chosen my way, and others have other ways.

Cheers!

The admin can see at a glance if a player is breaking rules, so you don't need to worry about wrongful banning. Your friends are safe if they are not using multiple accounts and such shady stuff.

But why not?

As far as I have seen so far, there is no clue revealed from the "black box". Currently my members are safe, but I'm afraid one day they may get a notice of ban because of some mysterious "shady stuffs" what they haven't done, while the admins think so.

It's just like some stories back in WW2 when someone got missing in Germany, and the authority just said "he has done blablabla against the rule" without showing any clues or reasonings.

What's worse, it's now a sad story that Mr.Sas is a member from my forum. I have checked with him just now and confirmed that he didn't do what the admin team is now claiming on him. Now it's an issue cincluding me, who is now the ambessador from Key forum at Baidu, to ensure my members are actually safe from wrong bans. I have to emphasize this is my bussness as I have mentioned before I should keep my members safe like a country should be responsible for its overseas citizens' safety.

Welcome to the forum, comrade. You and me, we want the same thing. We want to prevent that innocent players get banned. We want to intervene as little as possible with what players do. We want to protect the users from 'false positives'. The HV mod team, Scremaz, Lestion and me, as well as the global mods like Varst, are just HV enthusiasts that give their time to help everyone here. We gain nothing from that, we'rejust volunteering because we like the game. Just like you, on baidu!

In the end, this site is ran by only one person. One admin only. (yes if he ever decides to retire, that would be the end of the hentaiverse, but luckily that's not the case). We can't see what he sees. We don't know what the reasons are that players get banned. Often, it's players that I personally regarded as 'friends' - I bet you have the same thing on Baidu? That sucks. When I ask 'are you sure, sir? what's the evidence?" I get no details. Answers like 'he cheated'. So, we're in the same boat here.

I guess you need to trust my judgement, just like the users of Baidu need to trust yours.

Thank you for your warm welcome. Yes we are both on the way to justice and more importantly, happiness. Forum managers at Baidu are volunteers as well. To be frank, the reason why I play HV is to learn different cultures when I encounter monsters. So I classify myself as a casual player. I respect my members too, as every legit member is an important part to our community and a contributor to our culture. I have no confidence when I wll stop my admin session bacause I may die from a heart attack in the next minute, so I ban every breach carefully. I'm sory on your bad experience on other Baidu forums, but in my forums, such things hardly happen, and we provide detailed logs to show how a breach happens upon a requirement is rised.

I respect your policy. I'm not intended to make troubles here. But I have got a report from Sas that he has been partically banned unfairly. Before my knowing this, I was intended to learning something from you admins, and now I think I can learn more whether he told me a lie.

On topic of trust, I have gained trust from my members by white-box admin as is mentioned before, which is a significant difference from yours. I'm not pushing or embrassing you here because I'm not at the position to turn over your admin power or intefere your home affairs. But Sas has defended himself and made me clear that he is innocent, so I'm now the embassador to make the issue clear as you know, honesty is important no matter in which forum.

As for exactly what constitutes multi-account checks, that's not going to be revealed for obvious security reasons. I can at least tell you it doesn't solely comprise of IP/hardware address checks, and that the multi situation in this case was as close to undeniable as it's going to get.

There is a big difference between having clear rules, and revealing exact methods used to verify how someone broke the rules. That's like saying the bank should tell you their CCTV area coverage because you want to know exactly which of their vault walls it's forbidden to break through. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

Since you have nomited Sas, you should take the further responsibilities. Yes security is a good reason, and I do respect your policy although I'm a bit disappointed as this is like a secret trial by Gestapo back to WW2. Thank you all the same.

By the way, CCTV areas are labeled or posted here in Australia, but banks have hardly secure issues.

Some missing words and typos were fixed.

This post has been edited by ComradeGeneral: Oct 26 2020, 17:15

Mate, admin and the mod team don't make decisions willy-nilly without taking everything into account. If anything, they're too kind and giving the benefit of doubt more than enough. Don't try and make it seem as if people here are just swinging banhammers angrily; your posts try to give the situation such vibe.

Mate, admin and the mod team don't make decisions willy-nilly without taking everything into account. If anything, they're too kind and giving the benefit of doubt more than enough. Don't try and make it seem as if people here are just swinging banhammers angrily; your posts try to give the situation such vibe.

I'm sorry to make you feel so although I'm not intended to. Perhaps there are culture gaps from me to other members, but I must make things clear to me. Personally, I always reflect myself whether the recent bans I have casted are appropriate.

Thanks for your valuable feedback.

This post has been edited by ComradeGeneral: Oct 26 2020, 17:19

But Sas has defended himself and made me clear that he is innocent, so I'm now the embassador to make the issue clear as you know, honesty is important no matter in which forum.

If you have information that exonerates sansvertu you are free to share it, as is he.

If you have information that exonerates sansvertu you are free to share it, as is he.

He earlier told me that he had been banned from WTS with the reason you have provided but he in fact didn't breach. In other words, he didn't act as what you described. Since he didn't do such bad things, there is no clue proving such actions.

So what's your clues proving that he did such bad things? If you couldn't provide any, you are totally wrong to ban him, and it's my responibility to remind my members of the danger of such "randomly reasonless bans" and not to investigate any true properities here due to the to be proved unrealibility. I'm serious on such honesty issues.

If there are some language problems on understanding where San thinks in a way different from yours, a technical method may be employed to prevent similar breaches. This is my personal suggestion.

This post has been edited by ComradeGeneral: Oct 26 2020, 17:52

So what's your clues proving that he did such bad things? If you couldn't provide any, you are totally wrong to ban him, and it's my responibility to remind my members of the danger of such "randomly reasonless bans" and not to investigate any true properities here due to the to be proved unrealibility. I'm serious on such honesty issues.

Thats between the user involved and the administration. Nothing said here will change that. Nor is it particularly on topic to this thread anymore

This post has been edited by Angaver: Oct 26 2020, 17:53

Thats between the user involved and the administration. Nothing said here will change that.

I'm also involved because San has reported this issue to me, who is the admin from another forum he is in. I do not plan to push anyone here in power to change anything, but who is wrong should be cleared. It's like that you can turn to institutes of your own country when you are treated unfairly in a foreign country.

I'm also involved because San has reported this issue to me, who is the admin from another forum he is in. I do not plan to push anyone here in power to change anything, but who is wrong should be cleared. It's like that you can turn to institutes of your own country when you are treated unfairly in a foreign country.

You are free to contact the administration yourself if you feel it is important.

Nothing said here will change anything.

Posting here is just keeping the thread off topic of its intended purpose.

I'm also involved because San has reported this issue to me, who is the admin from another forum he is in. I do not plan to push anyone here in power to change anything, but who is wrong should be cleared. It's like that you can turn to institutes of your own country when you are treated unfairly in a foreign country.

Dear ComradeGerenal,

Please note that this is EH forum, not baidu forum. You're not the admin here.
If you have any concern over the ruling, please contact me directly. Thanks.

EH Mod
Varst

This post has been edited by varst: Oct 26 2020, 19:15

Please change my display name.

I really want to use the proxy function.

dakfl251 -> 자유민

Dear ComradeGerenal,

Please note that this is EH forum, not baidu forum. You're not the admin here.
If you have any concern over the ruling, please contact me directly. Thanks.

EH Mod
Varst

Yes I know this, so I'm now the ambassador rather than an admin here.

Sorry I'm in final examination weeks so I'm not able to reply your messages in time.

I have checked my admin record and found there have been no punishment on Sansie's ID in my forum, that's the reason why I think Sansie is a legit player. I have to claim it again that I'm not at the position to turn you over or interfere your home affairs here, but to prevent any abuses of foreign power on my members. Thank you for your understanding. Have a lovely Halloween.

Some typos were fixed.

This post has been edited by ComradeGeneral: Oct 28 2020, 09:02

Yes I know this, so I'm now the ambassador rather than an admin here.

Sorry I'm in final examination weeks so I'm not able to reply your messages in time.

I have checked my admin record and found there have been no punishment on Sansie's ID in my forum, that's the reason why I think Sansie is a legit player. I have to claim it again that I'm not at the position to turn you over or interfere your home affairs here, but to prevent any abuses of foreign power on my members. Thank you for your understanding. Have a lovely Halloween.

Some typos were fixed.

Your objection to the punishment has been noted. Repeating it will have no effect.

I do have a problem with 'foreign powers', though. We are all one big community on e-h. All members are part of it. So, 'sansie' is not foreign on this site. He's one of us. Same rules apply to all. So please stop pretending that you are from a different 'nation' of hentaiverse players.

I have checked my admin record and found there have been no punishment on Sansie's ID in my forum, that's the reason why I think Sansie is a legit player.

I don't think: "Hey! I never saw him doing bad things therefore he will always be clean!" is logically sound in any way. Just because you are not aware of a person pulling shady nonsense doesn't mean that he/she never did.

You are free to kick this up to the administration level if you insist, but do be reminded that we will never punish anyone without good reasons of doing so.

in addition to all this (and with all the due respect to my fellow mods, whose opinions i fully share), i'd like to remind this topic is for reporting issues about and asking support for latanium's auction.


thank you and have a nice day.