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[Discussion] Super's auction system, Suggestions, complaints, features, theories, questions. Send a MM for a bidkey! |
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Jan 14 2018, 02:46
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BlueWaterSplash
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I believe under the current system you only need to place a bid halfway through an auction to still get the maximum discount, provided you are serious at winning the item and place a large enough proxy bid. And even if you bid on Saturday, as long as you don't wait until the last few hours, you will avoid most of the 8% penalty.
Good point about the current penalty system having a greater effect on large value items. I think it does little to discourage sniping on items near the minimum bid. The AT field is not very strong. Perhaps that could be adjusted.
Also good point about the reverse sniping, but that holds strongest for low value items near the minimum bid and has nothing to do with the penalty system. Being the first to place a bid may guarantee you the win.
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Jan 14 2018, 06:36
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Superlatanium
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QUOTE(EsotericSatire @ Jan 14 2018, 00:14)  Only just found out there was a late bid penalty It's been colored in red, bolded, and sized up in the rules for months... (as well as discussed here in length) QUOTE(EsotericSatire @ Jan 14 2018, 00:14)  because I mainly surf on the Saturday. I think I am at work when the auction starts but for items I want I'll have to throw down hard to try to capture as many penalty hours to create an AT field against other bidders?
This is like reverse sniping lol. If you don't get in straight away on a huge ticket item then you are fucked. No, it's not anywhere near that punishing. You have to show your real intent to win the item in time for others to respond to you, before the final stretch of the auction. You have 54 hours to submit your true bid (being courteous to other bidders and getting a discount in the process). If you procrastinate (or fail to log on) for longer than that, the fee amount will start to accumulate. One who takes more than 2 full days to bid on something they really want is, odds are, doing so deliberately, to the detriment of the others. If it's not deliberate, it's unfortunate, but said bidder is still needlessly inconveniencing others. There's more than enough time to grab the discounts. QUOTE(EsotericSatire @ Jan 14 2018, 00:14)  on a 200m item so a late bid might require 236m in bank. No, the maximum possible fee for the rudest of bidders is less than half that. QUOTE(EsotericSatire @ Jan 14 2018, 00:14)  Is there an item notification system if certain items are going to be auctioned? https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?s=&am...t&p=4507092Updated every day or so
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Jan 17 2018, 17:23
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Juggernaut Santa
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What is this sudden decrease of stats shown in the auctions?
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Jan 17 2018, 17:48
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Superlatanium
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QUOTE(Juggernaut Santa @ Jan 17 2018, 15:23)  What is this sudden decrease of stats shown in the auctions? The stats used are the same as used by Live Percentile Ranges. If any are inaccurate, please tell me.
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Jan 17 2018, 18:21
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Void Domain
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I dream of a materials marketplace where every mats have their own ask and bid just like the hath exchange. Do you think such a system is possible to implement in your website?
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Jan 17 2018, 19:31
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Juggernaut Santa
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Jan 17 2018, 16:48)  The stats used are the same as used by Live Percentile Ranges. If any are inaccurate, please tell me. Mmmmmmm maybe I used the wrong sentence: where is the parry in the 1h weapons? Proficiency in the staffs as well. This post has been edited by Juggernaut Santa: Jan 17 2018, 19:33
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Jan 17 2018, 20:36
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Superlatanium
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QUOTE(Void Domain @ Jan 17 2018, 16:21)  I dream of a materials marketplace where every mats have their own ask and bid just like the hath exchange. Do you think such a system is possible to implement in your website? Not impossible, but it'd be quite some work. If anyone wants to code it (or anything) I'm happy to host it. QUOTE(Juggernaut Santa @ Jan 17 2018, 17:31)  Mmmmmmm maybe I used the wrong sentence: where is the parry in the 1h weapons? Proficiency in the staffs as well. https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?s=&am...t&p=4507092That's where the less-than-essential stats get listed. Otherwise, the main auction thread gets too cluttered. This post has been edited by Superlatanium: Jan 17 2018, 20:38
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Jan 17 2018, 20:40
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Superlatanium
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QUOTE(Juggernaut Santa @ Jan 17 2018, 18:38)  If parry on 1h weapons isn't essential...(IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) It's certainly useful but it's not the most essential stat. If I added everything useful, things would get too cluttered, especially with overtime listings and discount listings.
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Jan 17 2018, 20:59
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Void Domain
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Jan 18 2018, 02:36)  Not impossible, but it'd be quite some work. If anyone wants to code it (or anything) I'm happy to host it.
Well I can't code so I was hoping you would do it (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) I have some ideas already 1. I send you some mats to be credited in the system 2. I list mats in the market 3. buyer will receive their mats via cod 4. finally you can take a 1% fee just like the hath exchange 5. you send me back some credits Also maybe you can invent "Super's credit" to use in the system to reduce the mailing and let users cash out at anytime. But I think you need to run a trading bot to handle the mails maybe thats illegal?
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Jan 17 2018, 21:13
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lazyNPC
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QUOTE(Void Domain @ Jan 17 2018, 19:59)  ...
Pretty sure that would take quite a lot of work and an indipendent HV account to be able to always receive and CoD stuff, while keeping transaction in a queue to not overwhelm it.
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Jan 17 2018, 21:33
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Void Domain
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QUOTE(gianfrix94 @ Jan 18 2018, 03:13)  Pretty sure that would take quite a lot of work and an indipendent HV account to be able to always receive and CoD stuff, while keeping transaction in a queue to not overwhelm it.
He can do that while he is asleep and call it the trading session. And when he is playing the trading can switch to a "asap" mode. And yeah I too think thats a lot of work (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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Jan 17 2018, 21:44
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Cleavs
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if you're really, really interested about this, we can ask for a test account. but give me a draft of the project first.
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Jan 19 2018, 12:49
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EsotericSatire
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Jan 17 2018, 09:44)  if you're really, really interested about this, we can ask for a test account. but give me a draft of the project first.
If it was my workplace I would have to make a business case of cost of developing the system vs price of making me do it manually. Punishing me to save money always wins lol
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Jan 19 2018, 12:59
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KitsuneAbby
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Too much work for very little gain IMHO.
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Jan 20 2018, 13:18
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Superlatanium
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I though this sort of stuff was obvious and didn't need to be said, but after some PMs with a user, I'll make a couple things clear: - Shill bidding is not OK. It's unfair and anti-competitive.
- If an item sells at auction for some amount, don't try to resell the exact same item at (my) auction for a 1000% markup (or more) start price (unless it gets improved enough to justify something like that, such as through great IW or heavy forging). The fact that it sold for some lower amount before is strong evidence that its fair auction market value is somewhere around there; I'm not going to let people use my auction as an advertising platform for their attempted scam.
(This is not the same as users who buy stuff at auction and resell in shops, which I have no problem with, since I think resellers provide a valuable service, and shop prices are justifiably higher than auction prices) Unjustifiably high start bids are also likely not going to sell anyway.
I tried explaining this to kenzed a few times, but he thinks I'm being unfair and biased. So, for the sake of transparency, I'll post it here. Anyone think these rules are good or bad?
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Jan 20 2018, 13:53
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Noni
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Jan 20 2018, 12:18)  I though this sort of stuff was obvious and didn't need to be said, but after some PMs with a user, I'll make a couple things clear: - Shill bidding is not OK. It's unfair and anti-competitive.
- If an item sells at auction for some amount, don't try to resell the exact same item at (my) auction for a 1000% markup (or more) start price (unless it gets improved enough to justify something like that, such as through great IW or heavy forging). The fact that it sold for some lower amount before is strong evidence that its fair auction market value is somewhere around there; I'm not going to let people use my auction as an advertising platform for their attempted scam.
(This is not the same as users who buy stuff at auction and resell in shops, which I have no problem with, since I think resellers provide a valuable service, and shop prices are justifiably higher than auction prices) Unjustifiably high start bids are also likely not going to sell anyway.
I tried explaining this to kenzed a few times, but he thinks I'm being unfair and biased. So, for the sake of transparency, I'll post it here. Anyone think these rules are good or bad? Your rules are fair. And you've proven time after time to be a fair and trustworthy auctioneer. Players are allowed to ask questions, maybe even suggest improvements. But they shouldn't complain about unfairness or bias. If this continues, the mod team will warn the player about such behavior.
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Jan 20 2018, 14:51
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Kira.Yoshikage
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maybe add a new rule? 'if you re-auction an item setting a start price will not be acceptable.'
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Jan 20 2018, 15:35
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karyl123
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QUOTE(Void Domain @ Jan 18 2018, 01:59)  Well I can't code so I was hoping you would do it (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) I have some ideas already 1. I send you some mats to be credited in the system 2. I list mats in the market 3. buyer will receive their mats via cod 4. finally you can take a 1% fee just like the hath exchange 5. you send me back some credits Also maybe you can invent "Super's credit" to use in the system to reduce the mailing and let users cash out at anytime. But I think you need to run a trading bot to handle the mails maybe thats illegal? you need 2nd account for that. because no mm when superlatanium in battle. and thats illegal.
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Jan 28 2018, 03:25
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eramosat
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Still reading through this thread, as I have been using Super's auction a fair bit recently for cheap items that are big upgrades for me. Forgive me if my comments are off-base.
Overall, I like the auction, and it's approach. Really nothing wrong with it for me.
Compared to past common big auctions, the only (very personal) issue I have is the end time...it's just 1 hour earlier, but 1 important hour before I normally awake on Saturday. I have not witnessed the sniping bid period for any auctions since I re-started looking at them. Sniping as an action is acceptable to me...simply impossible to prevent it. It has never been a method I could practically subscribe to though.
Personally. I have bought a few Super items, always with early bids. I have lost a fair few due to later bids, including last 15 minutes which I was not present for to respond. I am not adverse to proxy bidding...but as I am looking for cheap stuff, and am patient, I can accept losing because I don't participate in the last 15 minutes.
Some minor things to consider?
Adjust the end time of the auction, every other week, or some other frequency, to give different bidders a better chance to participate at the end.
Crazier. I might buy non-refundable snipe insurance to be able to defer the end of the auction by 1 or more hours, say 5-10% of my eventual highest bid? The more hours, the much more costly. This may not be any better than proxy bidding for serious items...but if it was 5-10% for even 1 hour extension, I would buy it , at time of my initial bid, it would help me that much.
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