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It was difficult for melees to play IW, at least compared to the mages; it can be agreed that mages had a much easier time in IW than melees did. Because IW was easier for mages than for melees, it means that this was never balanced in the first place. Now mages who can no longer do IW are whining about it. (Justice is served.)

If you can't do IW, then go back to the lower difficulties, just like the melees do.

This post has been edited by oumi11: Jan 22 2012, 20:48

just bunko

the rest of us love it

Some low-level melees could whine too. They don't have ultraskillz or high amount of overcharge yet, plus no good armor or weapon, so...they're fucked, if they'll try to play on something higher than Normal. But its up to them, no one says life is easy. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

P.S.: Update is nice. Sadly Shatter Strike doesn't get any chain skills though... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)

Or he could just do that while keeping the new HP bonus (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
HentaiVerse 0.6.5: Liselotte has more HP than Konata

HentaiVerse 0.6.5.1: EXP modifiers by difficulty are now 0.5x, 1x, 2x, 4x, 8x, 16x, 32x, 64x, 128x, and 256x respectively to allow players to experience the endgame faster.

maybe sushi will break the 100 billion EXP mark then!

This post has been edited by Bunker Buster: Jan 22 2012, 20:53

I like how melees are laughing at mages for the HP bonus thing when they've been screwed as much as we have.
It's like watching a man mocking another man for being mutilated after they both had their hands cut off.

we just have to press buttons twice as much and we keep the same survivability sooooooo

I like how melees are laughing at mages for the HP bonus thing when they've been screwed as much as we have.
It's like watching a man mocking another man for being mutilated after they both had their hands cut off.

Well, we've just tired of mages laughing at melees. So...you know what? Maybe melees got nerfed too, but at least this time it's not ONLY melees, as it usually happens. So...enjoy the equality, bro)) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

This post has been edited by Evil Scorpio: Jan 22 2012, 21:01

oh man these chocolate muffins are so full of sugar homph homph

I like how melees are laughing at mages for the HP bonus thing when they've been screwed as much as we have.
It's like watching a man mocking another man for being mutilated after they both had their hands cut off.

I am not amused by the plight that they are in now since, as you said, its effected both side. (which people seem to forget, same situation as the resist bug)

It's people reaction to the plight that amused me... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) It's has nothing to do with being a mage or melee.

This post has been edited by buktore: Jan 23 2012, 07:27

@oumi11

Even if I'm playing at normal, those monsters still have more hp than hard difficulty before the patch.
Think about it.


@Evil Scorpio

That's why I'm whining. It's like....you're trying to hit the bully, but instead you hit everyone, which includes those babes who can't even withstand that.

I like how melees are laughing at mages for the HP bonus thing when they've been screwed as much as we have.
It's like watching a man mocking another man for being mutilated after they both had their hands cut off.

This, Karma'd for truth.

I don't know what (melee) people are happy about tbh, it's the same boat for both classes: it takes longer to kill things, and monsters have thus a higher chance to take you down.

People should stop this whole melee vs mage thing though if you ask me, it's stupid to judge HV changes with a "ha! take this you filthy x class" attitude.

we just have to press buttons twice as much and we keep the same survivability sooooooo

Twice as much when you need 60 clicks to kill something on higher difficulty settings doesn't sound spectacular to me.

But that aside, survivability did take a hit, if you use Kevlar, Plate, Power and Shield because of the Evasion changes.

Who's unaffected here it's Shade only, because Shade user can still stay at 0 Burden (formerly, below the grace value of 20 Burden) and avoid any Evade/Speed loss.

This post has been edited by wr4st3r: Jan 22 2012, 21:07

I am not amused by the plight that they are in now since, as you said, its effected both side. (which people seem to forget)

excuse me we are fully aware of it but we don't care because we just have to press 1/2/3/4/5 two or three more times to clear rounds

I don't know what (melee) people are happy about tbh, it's the same boat for both classes: it takes longer to kill things, and monsters have thus a higher chance to take you down.

People should stop this whole melee vs mage thing though if you ask me, it's stupid to judge HV changes with a "ha! take this you filthy x class" attitude.

but it's pretty much how the patches are structured. tenboro trolls again

Twice as much when you need 60 clicks to kill something on higher difficulty settings doesn't sound spectacular to me.

But that aside, survivability did take a hit, if you use Kevlar, Plate, Power and Shield because of the Evasion changes.

it's stopped being worth playing higher difficulty settings unless you can take advantage of the new 100x damage chain skills (which conveniently are firmly in place of the two most maligned weapon classes ever) and we all found out at the same time that leveling up is horribly overrated

Who's unaffected here it's Shade only, because Shade user can now stay at 0 Burden and avoid any Evade loss.

it's like phase armor, but it makes you live four times as long

e: e: e: we need melee prof-enhancing armor to complete the vicious cycle

This post has been edited by Bunker Buster: Jan 22 2012, 21:12

Maybe it's the time for us to stop talking about that melee/maging differences and deal with the hp buff...

If we know there's a problem, why should we avoid talking that instead of throwing stones against each other?
It won't make anything better.

That's why I'm whining. It's like....you're trying to hit the bully, but instead you hit everyone, which includes those babes who can't even withstand that.

D'Awwww...is a little cute magey need a hug? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Come on, bro, mages are still have more power than melees, so it's not mages who have rights to whine. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

I don't know what (melee) people are happy about tbh, it's the same boat for both classes: it takes longer to kill things, and monsters have thus a higher chance to take you down.

When melees are fucked up in several patches straight and mages don't - it doesn't feels like "same boat", more like old raft and goddamn sea cruiser... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

People should stop this whole melee vs mage thing though if you ask me, it's stupid to judge HV changes with a "ha! take this you filthy x class" attitude.

That'll never happen. You'll have more chances to reconcile christians and muslims. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)

This post has been edited by Evil Scorpio: Jan 22 2012, 21:19

Maybe it's the time for us to stop talking about that melee/maging differences and deal with the hp buff...

If we know there's a problem, why should we avoid talking that instead of throwing stones against each other?
It won't make anything better.

oh now you actually care

good job varst

This post has been edited by Bunker Buster: Jan 22 2012, 21:16

i never laughing at melees , never

I don't even know if I even care anymore.

ahh! Anyone notice Chrome not displaying hentaiverse properly?? All of a sudden the all bars are all long spamming huge unreadable battle interface.

Why would you reduce the resistance on celestials/daimons without giving them something back?
The -25 to all physical stats (which cannot be upgraded) already makes them complete pushovers.
At least give +1 endurance or something.


Also, a -25 piercing resistance on giants seems a bit extreme.
A flat zero would make more sense.

I've said it before, but balancing giants isn't going to be a matter of constantly shaving off stats... they logically SHOULD have high stats in areas of strength, endurance, and resistance. The flaw is in the overall system and the fact that the only stats that really matter for monsters ARE strength, endurance and resistance.

You will find better balance by buckling down on fleshing out the system.
Add special abilities, passive ablities, purchasable equipment for certain types.
Build the design around the attributes and a requisite level... for example:
-Any monster can have an ability which adds to their defense (like players "protection" ability), but to purchase it (using chaos tokens) they must first have 12 endurance or higher.
or
-To unlock a monster's spirit attack, they must have 12 wisdom or higher.

This would mean... any and all monsters can potentially have any of the special skills, but certain types will get there more easily then others.

Using the previous example, a giant will easily unlock the defensive ability, but it would be rather difficult for them to unlock a spirit attack, with a celestial being the exact opposite.

This post has been edited by LoneUnknown: Jan 22 2012, 21:35

so far this patch doesn't seem to be that bad, but i'll have to wait for my daily arena's to see that.

IWBTH seems to easier now, at least at my level.

the weapon skill chains seem nice. would like to see 2H skills as well though (and others i guess).

spirit stance still seems pretty useless to me as a 2H-er anyway light melee. shatter strike is a much better use. and the mp reducing effect is not really useful enough for me to waste two turns turning it on and off (as well as 20 OC).

the change in burden and interference seems interesting. looks like i need to change my gear to newly dropped shades of arcanists. heavy armor does seem to get a huge nerf but then again, i've never even touched heavy so don't really know what to say. the evasion nerf doesn't really seem to noticeable to me but still too early to tell.

I'm melee and Mage. Both of my Styles are much slower.

It is still playable. Just slower and less fun.