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post Nov 28 2011, 20:09
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At some point there were captchas
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post Nov 28 2011, 20:56
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QUOTE(mkonji @ Nov 28 2011, 18:48) *

And then the damage revamp made everything faster and thus more people doing more rounds for more credits.

I lol'd

Some people around here were able to one hit almost everything on hell (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Also no resists.
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post Nov 28 2011, 23:15
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QUOTE(Ichy @ Nov 28 2011, 20:56) *

I lol'd

Some people around here were able to one hit almost everything on hell (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Also no resists.

Well towards the high end of things. But the mass of middle level where so much of the hath are being bought these days.
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post Nov 29 2011, 20:07
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QUOTE(Maximum_Joe @ Nov 28 2011, 10:54) *

Donators got their dawn hath increased. More and more people are getting better internet connections so the percentage of the userbase that sign up for H@H is also growing.


So, since the supply rose above the previous, shouldn't that have caused the price to go down instead of up given that relative demand stayed the same?

I mean, I'm not an economics major or anything, but that seems a bit off.
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post Nov 29 2011, 20:12
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QUOTE(Ballistic9 @ Nov 27 2011, 20:26) *

I kinda suspected, but I guess this confirms it.


I definitely thought ckx000 was botting because he literally bought some of my hath that I put up a week ago within a couple of seconds of me auctioning them.
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post Nov 29 2011, 20:50
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QUOTE(Razorflame @ Nov 29 2011, 19:12) *

I definitely thought ckx000 was botting because he literally bought some of my hath that I put up a week ago within a couple of seconds of me auctioning them.


I don't remember who was the first, but imo it seems there were after some point more than one auction sniper, so they all had to refresh the auction site more often until we all got a little suspicious.
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post Nov 29 2011, 20:55
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QUOTE(radixius sparkle @ Nov 29 2011, 13:07) *

So, since the supply rose above the previous, shouldn't that have caused the price to go down instead of up given that relative demand stayed the same?

I mean, I'm not an economics major or anything, but that seems a bit off.

It does seem to run counter to intuition, but then perhaps its the greed motivator. People who used to not have hath now get some and they want more.
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post Nov 29 2011, 21:04
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QUOTE(radixius sparkle @ Nov 29 2011, 10:07) *

So, since the supply rose above the previous, shouldn't that have caused the price to go down instead of up given that relative demand stayed the same?

I mean, I'm not an economics major or anything, but that seems a bit off.


Methinks there are other conditions in play here. The value of credits is a big factor in all of this.
The amount of things you can buy with credits is ever-growing in terms of archive downloads. Let's not forget about those very expensive HV trainings. Then there are crystal purchases from the bazaar. Oh, and high-end gear which is often bought from other players with credits rather than hath.
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post Nov 29 2011, 21:57
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QUOTE(radixius sparkle @ Nov 29 2011, 18:07) *

So, since the supply rose above the previous, shouldn't that have caused the price to go down instead of up given that relative demand stayed the same?

I mean, I'm not an economics major or anything, but that seems a bit off.


I am an economics major, and I agree with this statement
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post Nov 29 2011, 23:59
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QUOTE(skillchip @ Nov 29 2011, 14:57) *

I am an economics major, and I agree with this statement

Microeconomics is almost pure math. Macroeconomics is math plus a whole lot of irrational influences plus insanely complicated feedback. Just saying...

There are a lot of new places to spend credits, and the supply increased while the demand did also. Also, people speculate and hold unto their hath to wait for the price to go up. If the exchange rate reaches 25000:1 I can pretty much guarantee you that the bubble will burst. In the real world this is what happens to stuff like gold.
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post Nov 30 2011, 01:02
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Solution: bring back the old Artifact rewards (5-25 Hath a pop).
I'm no economist, but I'm pretty sure if you flood the market, the price is bound to go down.
It's all for the good of the community obviously, I stand to gain absolutely nothing from this (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)
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post Nov 30 2011, 01:50
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QUOTE((Cheater) Tiap @ Nov 29 2011, 15:02) *

25 Hath a pop

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post Nov 30 2011, 02:11
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Funny thing is, the hath price increase benefits me greatly. I've been auctioning hath for a few years and the price has just kept increasing the last year. $27 for adopting a server is looking like a really wise move right now.
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post Nov 30 2011, 10:12
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QUOTE(Maximum_Joe @ Nov 28 2011, 17:54) *

Donators got their dawn hath increased. More and more people are getting better internet connections so the percentage of the userbase that sign up for H@H is also growing.

A bigger mystery is the rate of demand shouldn't have risen so much since only 1 new Hath Perk tree was added recently.

The only factors that might matter a lot is that new donations / adopt-a-servers haven't been done in a while. Also the amount of hath from artifacts seems to not give 4 anymore and now energy drinks and another +10 stats are possibilities which lower the chances of getting hath.

Hath may have been increased a tlittle from dawn hath for donators, but it's still not that much.
I get 1 hath a day from gold aura, but I get more from running H@H.
Also, an influx of new players mean an increase in hath demand, as much as an increase in total hath, meaning that the supply doesn't really increase, unless you also auppose that newbies wants to sell their hath instead of getting some of the more useful and cheaper hath perks (like IA1).

The real reason prices go up is because higher level players earn more credits, and are filling out their hentaiverse training, where it becomes far more economical to buy hath than to spend the equivalent of 40-50 hath (or more) on one point of scavenger training, that means a lot of credits are being focused into the hath market, driving prices up.
Higher level players doesn't have all that much else to spend their credits on, and they are the ones selling the items on the WTS-forum, not the ones buying, so they get more credits from there.
The only other thing to spend their credits on is crystals and artifacts, which kinda lose their value when your stat boosts are getting maxed out and you got no need for additional APs, and crystals don't really give a return on their investment but is more for fun and show and bragging rights, kinda like collecting figurines.

QUOTE(lovehcomics @ Nov 29 2011, 22:59) *

Microeconomics is almost pure math. Macroeconomics is math plus a whole lot of irrational influences plus insanely complicated feedback. Just saying...

There are a lot of new places to spend credits, and the supply increased while the demand did also. Also, people speculate and hold unto their hath to wait for the price to go up. If the exchange rate reaches 25000:1 I can pretty much guarantee you that the bubble will burst. In the real world this is what happens to stuff like gold.

Macroeconomics are almost more sociology than actual economy...
It isn't so much about how economy works as much as how people think it works.

And gold has the problem that it isn't really useful other than for trading, so you hold onto it waiting for prices to go up, because there is little else you can do,other than to sell it.
Hath on the other hand is something you use to buy perks, so I don't think there are that many people that are speculating in hath and hoarding it, if they got plenty of hath chances are they'll buy some perks instead, that will increase their gainings in the long run.

If there really is someone out there who has a big stack of hath and no perks and is just waiting for prices to increase even more so they can start selling with a profit, then I'd be really amazed.
The ones that don't want to spend hath on perks is the ones that have most of the cheap and cost-effective ones already, and they usually have little need for credits other than for getting the less cost-effective perks, making hoarding hath counter-productive.


Also, money in the real world can be used for so many different things, while credits and hath are very limited.
You can't go spend your credits on a pizza because you are too lazy to make dinner.

QUOTE((Cheater) Tiap @ Nov 30 2011, 00:02) *

Solution: bring back the old Artifact rewards (5-25 Hath a pop).
I'm no economist, but I'm pretty sure if you flood the market, the price is bound to go down.
It's all for the good of the community obviously, I stand to gain absolutely nothing from this (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

Yeah, that would make the prices go down.
But why would Tenboro want the price on hath to go down?
High price on hath means more people will find it worthwile to adopt a server slot to gain hath, which means actual real-life money for Tenboro.

If the cost of hath rose to 50K a pop, that still wouldn't affect the game or the site negatively, it would make perks a bit harder to get for those who earn credits, and force people to earn their hath themselves a little more, or buy them at a much lower rate, giving lower level players either more hath or more credits.

I've purchased rainbow aura and IA1, and I have never bought hath on the exchange.
Nor have I ever sold hath either.
(and my join date is far older than the time I've actually been playing the game).

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post Nov 30 2011, 17:26
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QUOTE(Randommember @ Nov 30 2011, 00:12) *

But why would Tenboro want the price on hath to go down?
High price on hath means more people will find it worthwile to adopt a server slot to gain hath, which means actual real-life money for Tenboro.

From what I hear he hasn't been able to set up any new donations for quite some time. It DOES encourage more people to sign up for H@H though, which he just made a bit easier.
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post Nov 30 2011, 20:36
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CKX00 is a botter lying a-hole!! Back on 9-19-11 I put up hath on the exchange and put all three hath i got from my artifact up.

BUT i put a price on it for 1 hath, a mistake, I thoughht it meant how much PER hath, i tried to go back in a buy it myself but it was ended instantly.

"Seller Ended Volume Starting Bid Buyout Winning Bid Winner
xano727 < 1M ago 3 Hath 100 C 7,865 C 7,865 Cckx000"

So i sent him a MM and got this as a reply
"what?
sorry iam chinses "

So i translated it to chinese and sent it again and got this
"I do not understand grammar, but I understand a few words, you are in doubt?
How do you not see my reply? Forum looked so long, I know all the basic rules
Easy to understand, I can understand, but I can not read a lot.

If you want to say things hath"
So sorry, please pay attention next time.

CKX000 is a Chinese bot or an a-hole pretending to be one!
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post Dec 1 2011, 05:38
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Made that mistake and lost some credits, and lived with it. I just moved on. The warnings on the auction site are very clear. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) Also, having 2 accounts is against the rules.

Well, gold has some practical direct uses for certain businesses and individuals. It's just nothing like iron, copper, or aluminum where almost every device has some in it.
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post Dec 1 2011, 06:54
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Dear Tenb:

Some issues with magical crit chance calculation.

In the past, the formula is presumed to be

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Magic Crit Chance: 3 + INT / 25 + WIS / 50


Since moving to the new multiplicative system, we changed the formula to suit that new system.
However, we found that the effect of INT and WIS has been exchanged.

So right now, every 50 INT will give a 1% crit bonus and every 25 WIS will give a 1% crit bonus, respectively.
We would like to know if the above change is intentional or not.
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post Dec 1 2011, 13:51
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Your attack misses its mark.
Your attack misses its mark.
Your attack misses its mark.
Your attack misses its mark.
Your attack misses its mark.

Your attack misses its mark.

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post Dec 8 2011, 10:07
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Is it just me or is HV highly unstable these days?
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