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post Nov 30 2011, 17:13
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The process for applying to join the H@H Network has been streamlined somewhat. For adding a single client on a computer where a Flash-capable browser is available, you can now simply fill in the form located on the Hentai@Home Clients page, which enters you in an approval queue. As soon as someone (i.e. me) gets around to it, you'll get a PM about your shiny new client.

(The form isn't visible if you already have a client, just FYI.)

If you want more than one client, or you want to add one to a headless server or computer that for some reason can't handle SpeedTest.net, you still have to PM me and wait forever.

Also, if you have sent a PM recently asking for a client and received no answer, please resubmit your request through this system.
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post Nov 30 2011, 17:32
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QUOTE(Tenboro @ Nov 30 2011, 10:13) *

If you want more than one client, or you want to add one to a headless server or computer that for some reason can't handle SpeedTest.net, you still have to PM me and wait forever.

Are we able to use two clients now or is it still limited to the old one client per IP system?
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post Nov 30 2011, 17:49
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It's still 1 per.
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post Nov 30 2011, 18:01
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Still one IP per client. It's not (just) an artificial limitation; it has to do with how the system detects you being on the same private network as a H@H client and how it alters the URL for the H@H Proxy mechanism.
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post Nov 30 2011, 18:24
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(bump) apologies

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post Dec 1 2011, 03:57
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QUOTE(Sushilicious @ Nov 30 2011, 23:32) *

Are we able to use two clients now or is it still limited to the old one client per IP system?



QUOTE(Tenboro @ Dec 1 2011, 00:01) *

Still one IP per client. It's not (just) an artificial limitation; it has to do with how the system detects you being on the same primate network as a H@H client and how it alters the URL for the H@H Proxy mechanism.


To tell the truth, I would suggest that we can run more than 1 H@H per IP... at least two is better, that is because H@H is hardly use >50% bandwidth that I gave it (and which I have) .... I don't think that is a hard work since they have different ports to access (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)

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post Dec 1 2011, 08:39
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You're not supposed to have high utilization. High utilization means congestion which means slow downloads. So no, more than one H@H client per IP won't happen.
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post Dec 4 2011, 07:48
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Believe me, Ten and I discussed the idea at LENGTH..... its a bitch to code (cuz you have to use a different library) and not many would/could utilize it anyway so the effort needed to make it happen won't be greater than the benefit from it.
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post Dec 6 2011, 04:13
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QUOTE(Loli connnnn @ Dec 1 2011, 03:57) *

To tell the truth, I would suggest that we can run more than 1 H@H per IP... at least two is better, that is because H@H is hardly use >50% bandwidth that I gave it (and which I have) .... I don't think that is a hard work since they have different ports to access (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)

I dont understand that logic, wouldnt it be better to make one H@H use all your bandwidth instead of having two using half half?
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post Dec 8 2011, 04:23
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QUOTE(Tenboro @ Dec 1 2011, 14:39) *

You're not supposed to have high utilization. High utilization means congestion which means slow downloads. So no, more than one H@H client per IP won't happen.


There will not be having any congestion happens, while using the H@H running at ~150KB upload (for speed proxy test, the real speed is only ~50KB), my utorrnt can have like >500KB upload speed...whatever I shut down the utorrent or not, the speed for H@H won't rise up (I've set my Maximum Burst Speed at 260KB, something I asked you months ago.. the speed limite for H@H start up test......obviously controled by something since the speed going from 29.x ~ 30.x)

And the connection I have go from 1 to 5 ... never higher than 10.... this is the main reason for my slow share speed...How can this be! I've a 20GB cache....None software blocking connections

QUOTE(-Enforcer- @ Dec 4 2011, 13:48) *

Believe me, Ten and I discussed the idea at LENGTH..... its a bitch to code (cuz you have to use a different library) and not many would/could utilize it anyway so the effort needed to make it happen won't be greater than the benefit from it.


More H@H clients means more connections..(I don't know why my H@H clients got so few connection) Since I definitely have enough bandwidth (like I mentioned before), which result a higher utilization (without congestion)... is it?



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I dont understand that logic, wouldnt it be better to make one H@H use all your bandwidth instead of having two using half half?

The question is, I have 10MB upload (with speedtest) but H@H is now using only <200KB....

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post Dec 8 2011, 16:23
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QUOTE(Loli connnnn @ Dec 8 2011, 03:23) *

More H@H clients means more connections..(I don't know why my H@H clients got so few connection) Since I definitely have enough bandwidth (like I mentioned before), which result a higher utilization (without congestion)... is it?

More H@H clients means a higher H@H network capacity, so it should actually reduce the load on each client (though the load of each client depends on many other parameters too).
QUOTE(Loli connnnn @ Dec 8 2011, 03:23) *

The question is, I have 10MB upload (with speedtest) but H@H is now using only <200KB....

If your connection didn't change since that message, then it's not 10MB but 10Mb (=1.25MB).

That said, if the speed tests during your H@H client startup show a too low speed comparing with the results you get when using speedtest.net, you may follow this Tenboro's advice (but you might have to choose a server that isn't located in an island for the test in order for it to be relevant).
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post Dec 8 2011, 19:07
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QUOTE(Hairs Fan @ Dec 8 2011, 22:23) *

More H@H clients means a higher H@H network capacity, so it should actually reduce the load on each client (though the load of each client depends on many other parameters too).

If your connection didn't change since that message, then it's not 10MB but 10Mb (=1.25MB).

Ahah, I'm sorry I got a mistake on MB and Mb
Well, anyway... 1.25MB = 1024*1.25 = 1280KB... while I can only use <100 actually, it's still poor..


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That said, if the speed tests during your H@H client startup show a too low speed comparing with the results you get when using speedtest.net, you may follow this Tenboro's advice (but you might have to choose a server that isn't located in an island for the test in order for it to be relevant).



It's my first time that knowing there can be a override... I'll try to call Tenboro for that, thanks sir!

By the way, it seems you are one of the H@H's designer? Do you have any idea about the speed limit = 30KB at the startup stage for H@H for some area? Since my ISP tell me they did NOT set any limit for that IP.... I assume that's the limit set on server side..

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post Dec 8 2011, 20:17
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QUOTE(Loli connnnn @ Dec 8 2011, 18:07) *

By the way, it seems you are one of the H@H's designer?

I'm not, Tenboro is the only one who created and maintains the whole H@H thing (though he did accept some external (yet minor) contributions from time to time).
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Do you have any idea about the speed limit = 30KB at the startup stage for H@H for some area? Since my ISP tell me they did NOT set any limit for that IP.... I assume that's the limit set on server side..

Not necessarily: your connection to the server might be limited by a network that is between you and the server, but that isn't controlled by your ISP or the server ISP. Also, if the latency between you and the server is very high (for instance, because you're very far from the server and/or your connection has to cross a sea), this will impact the connection speed badly, and there's nothing you or the server could do to improve this (for the H@H case at least).
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post Dec 9 2011, 03:45
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QUOTE(Hairs Fan @ Dec 9 2011, 02:17) *


Not necessarily: your connection to the server might be limited by a network that is between you and the server, but that isn't controlled by your ISP or the server ISP.


Hmm.. Maybe I didn't explain it clearly.

From your word, I can see you a quite a experienced computer user, so let's make it a simple way:

Did you tried any speed limiting while the speed is at a high speed? For example, like having 100KB download and you limit yourself to 30KB (if it's already low at speed.. like 35KB, limiting it might not see the result that I'm going to show as follow.) Your download speed will be shown as at 29.5K - 30.5K.. something like this. But if you have a bad connection, The speed's flow ranged will went higher: like 26~ 34

That's the different, and that's why I said I feel having a speed limit = 30KB at the startup stage... since the speed flow for me is 29.7~30.4 or so... I don't feel like this is a due to a bad connection, do you (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Ahah.. and a little more thing, my ISP (so as varst, who face the same problem as I do) is the best in my country, so.... the chance for having a bad connetion is futher lower (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

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post Dec 10 2011, 18:05
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If by "bad connection" you mean congestion and/or link errors, that's not what I wrote about. The only thing I said is that your connection to the H@H server might be limited for technical and/or administrative reasons, and it's possible neither your ISP nor the H@H server can control that limitation. And for the sake of clearness, I'm not talking about the connection between your home and your ISP, but about the whole connection between your home and the H@H server (which crosses multiple networks and countries).
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post Dec 15 2011, 07:48
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Does the H@H client need to operate round the clock? I've considered volunteering before, but my pc is off for half the day.
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post Dec 15 2011, 07:58
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post Dec 16 2011, 05:39
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Obviously the longer you can run it, the better, but there's nothing wrong with running it for only as long as you want.
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post Dec 18 2011, 15:29
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for those who cant run it round the clock, what would be the average duration per session , since i read it needs time to build the cache and stuff.
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post Dec 19 2011, 04:47
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Well it really depends.

Firstly, if you're a 1st-time user of H@H, your client obviously is at a disadvantage because other client's already have a sizable cache, so the server controlling H@H gives you priority over existing ones - so you can build up a cache.

Depending on the size you set, and how long/often you run your H@H client, it may take quite a while for it to serve out files at a fast rate.

If you have a small cache, and only run it for a short amount of time (short is hard to define so 'hours' per day lets say) then after a while your H@H client will only seem to have older files that nobody wants and therefore, the H@H server won't ask you to serve out those files.
Additionally, because you're client is only running for a few hours a day, it doesn't think very highly of you to serve out the files - it sortof thinks of you as unreliable.
Verses a client that runs 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.

On top of that, if you have a very slow upload, or a slow internet connection in general, its even less likely the server will ask you to serve out files - again because it doesn't think you're very reliable.

Ideally, if you can run H@H all day, setup ~10GB cache and have 10mbit upload then you're well on your way to building a decent Hath reward at the end of the day.

If you're starting out or have added another client, it can take a week or more (running non stop) for it to build up enough of its own cache to utilize your client.

Now, there are upper limits but only official H@H servers/clients and those like my own, but unless you're on a 100Mbit or faster internet and CAN UPLOAD at those speeds -- you won't get massive amounts of Hath, but you'll still get a fair reward.

Also, at Tenboro noted in the Twitter feed, there's been a huge amount of new H@H users and thus, the newest of the new gets priority. Even I've noticed a significant decrease in the files my client's serve out because the H@H server is giving the newbies priority over mine.
It also plays a negative effect on the other new H@H clients (especially those who don't run it 24/7) simply because there's SO MANY new clients all at once - everyone's fighting for priority.

So, if you can run it non-stop for a week or two, that will give you a much better chance of serving out files and making the best use of your H@H client.

Hope that helped! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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