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post Mar 10 2011, 13:46
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I got 76 trophies from bosses. Is it worth trading them in for staffs and hope for something halfway decent, or should I just sell 'em all?
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post Mar 10 2011, 13:52
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QUOTE((Cheater) KamuiSeph @ Mar 10 2011, 12:46) *

I got 76 trophies from bosses. Is it worth trading them in for staffs and hope for something halfway decent, or should I just sell 'em all?

A boss trophy is only worth 200c, a staff is most of the time (unless it's crude or worse) atleast 200c.

edit: unless you are really lazy, i would offer the trophies

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post Mar 10 2011, 13:53
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QUOTE(hyl @ Mar 10 2011, 13:52) *

A boss trophy is only worth 200c, a staff is most of the time (unless it's crude or worse) atleast 200c.

Trading it is (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)


Also, just noticed, my weaken cost is 17 but with CM it uses up 10MP consistently.
How the heck is it rounded? 8.5 = 10 @_O?
Ok wait, every 4 turns it costs 10, and the fifth costs 9... What the ~_~'

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post Mar 10 2011, 15:16
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QUOTE((Cheater) KamuiSeph @ Mar 10 2011, 19:53) *

Ok wait, every 4 turns it costs 10, and the fifth costs 9... What the ~_~'


And the answer is: Mana Regen
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post Mar 10 2011, 15:31
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QUOTE(Rei-Tenshi @ Mar 10 2011, 15:16) *

And the answer is: Mana Regen

Wouldn't that mean it would cost LESS? Not more?
It should cost 8.5 = 9 (rounded up) MP.
If, as you say, we add Mana regen, it should be something like 9MP and every 4-5 turns - 8MP.
Now it's 10MP and every 4-5 turns 9MP
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post Mar 10 2011, 16:22
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QUOTE((Cheater) KamuiSeph @ Mar 10 2011, 05:31) *

Wouldn't that mean it would cost LESS? Not more?
It should cost 8.5 = 9 (rounded up) MP.
If, as you say, we add Mana regen, it should be something like 9MP and every 4-5 turns - 8MP.
Now it's 10MP and every 4-5 turns 9MP


That explains the shifting cost. The increased "cost" is likely due to IA. That'd be my guess at least.
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post Mar 10 2011, 16:25
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QUOTE(Conquest101 @ Mar 10 2011, 16:22) *

That explains the shifting cost. The increased "cost" is likely due to IA. That'd be my guess at least.

I'm fucking retarded (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) I had IA on xD
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post Mar 10 2011, 16:34
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Speaking of IA:

Can somebody confirm for me if Shadow Veil + Lvl 2 IA + 250 Support Prof = 0 actual IA upkeep?
According to the calc, it should be true, but I just wanted to know if its indeed a free cast or not.
If it is, I might blow some Hath on it right now.
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post Mar 10 2011, 16:39
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QUOTE(Rei-Tenshi @ Mar 10 2011, 06:34) *

Speaking of IA:

Can somebody confirm for me if Shadow Veil + Lvl 2 IA + 250 Support Prof = 0 actual IA upkeep?
According to the calc, it should be true, but I just wanted to know if its indeed a free cast or not.
If it is, I might blow some Hath on it right now.


I can't confirm it since I only have 1 level, but how would that be possible?

I always thought the reduction applied straight to your total upkeep, meaning it could never be 0 even with level 4 IA.
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post Mar 10 2011, 16:41
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QUOTE(Rei-Tenshi @ Mar 10 2011, 16:34) *

Speaking of IA:

Can somebody confirm for me if Shadow Veil + Lvl 2 IA + 250 Support Prof = 0 actual IA upkeep?
According to the calc, it should be true, but I just wanted to know if its indeed a free cast or not.
If it is, I might blow some Hath on it right now.


On that note, how is upkeep calculated? I always wondered that. I imagine it has something to do with your action speed, since high burden increases upkeep, but I don't know for sure o_o
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post Mar 10 2011, 16:49
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QUOTE(Conquest101 @ Mar 10 2011, 22:39) *

I can't confirm it since I only have 1 level, but how would that be possible?

I always thought the reduction applied straight to your total upkeep, meaning it could never be 0 even with level 4 IA.


I think Supportive Prof reduces the base cost directly.
And the calculator also takes into consideration your mana regen for the actual IA upkeep.

Edit:
Wait, can you test it out with Shield? Calc says Lv 1 IA + 290 Support Prof + Shield = 0 actual upkeep.
And I'm pretty sure your mana regen is higher or atleast the same as mine.

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post Mar 10 2011, 16:51
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QUOTE(Rei-Tenshi @ Mar 10 2011, 16:49) *

I think Supportive Prof reduces the base cost directly.
And the calculator also takes into consideration your mana regen for the actual IA upkeep.


What calculator o_o?
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post Mar 10 2011, 16:54
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Uhh, Sonic's Calculator?
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post Mar 10 2011, 16:59
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QUOTE(Rei-Tenshi @ Mar 10 2011, 16:54) *

Edit: Found it xD

Also, seems to be broken.
Shadow veil with lvl 1 IA and 0 Supportive prof:
Upkeep 0.00

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post Mar 10 2011, 17:05
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QUOTE((Cheater) KamuiSeph @ Mar 10 2011, 22:59) *

Also, seems to be broken.
Shadow veil with lvl 1 IA and 0 Supportive prof:
Upkeep 0.00


Mine's working.

Shadow Veil + Lvl1 IA + 0 Support Prof
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Innate Upkeep = 4.20 MP / Turn
Actual Upkeep = 3.18 MP / Turn
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QUOTE(Rei-Tenshi @ Mar 10 2011, 06:49) *

I think Supportive Prof reduces the base cost directly.
And the calculator also takes into consideration your mana regen for the actual IA upkeep.

Edit:
Wait, can you test it out with Shield? Calc says Lv 1 IA + 290 Support Prof + Shield = 0 actual upkeep.
And I'm pretty sure your mana regen is higher or atleast the same as mine.


Oh, if you're factoring in mana regen as well, that's different.

Magic regen 34.08 = 1.136 per round

My SV upkeep with 277 Prof = 1.18 per round

My Shield upkeep = 1.09 per round

That's with only level 1 IA.
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post Mar 10 2011, 17:21
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Hmm yeah, my goal was to use IA while not having negative mana regen. I shouldn't have called it "free cast" since it still eats at your mana, even though you're gaining more than you're losing.
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post Mar 10 2011, 17:35
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what do you mean by 'negative' mana regen?
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QUOTE(Raidy @ Mar 10 2011, 23:35) *

what do you mean by 'negative' mana regen?


Losing MP per turn because of IA.
I just wanted to gain MP even with IA on.
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QUOTE(Rei-Tenshi @ Mar 10 2011, 17:55) *

Losing MP per turn because of IA.
I just wanted to gain MP even with IA on.

Just? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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