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Possible solution for excessive amounts of real porn, If you don't like real porn on this website, come here. |
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Jul 10 2010, 21:10
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Spectre
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QUOTE(Tenseigamoon @ Jul 10 2010, 13:58)  Met-Art is mainly a bunch of skinny women with micro-tits. The photography is slightly better but if you really take a good look at the models, they're not all that great. It's all soft-core, too.
Small breasts (though usually shapely) sure, but if those are "microtits" to you, then your B cup must be everyone else's D cup. They are much better looking than most of the stuff uploaded here anyways, I don't see why how that can a reasonable argument. Finally, I'd much rather have a good softcore (and full nude) gallery than your standard trash porn photo cap that was made during filming; there is far more of that than material like MetArt. @BoggyB: the photographers are not always professional; and an experienced model can help an up and coming photographer, but they can only do so much. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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Jul 10 2010, 22:17
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QUOTE(Spectre @ Jul 10 2010, 12:10)  @BoggyB: the photographers are not always professional
That it's noticeable is a problem.
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Jul 10 2010, 22:57
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QuakeWorld
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Just my 2 cents:
- eighter remove all or remove none. Personally I don't care (much), but what I really hated about this whole discussion was: "Remove it all! Well, except asian porn because I like those." Is it "down with what is real porn" or is it "down with what I don't like"?
- as it was said before, the more people looking the ads == more money for the site. If a real porn gallery is successfull, is it really wise to remove it?
- some of you have donnated more money than the others and are saying things like "what I wanna is more important than what you wanna". That is not a very nice thing to do. I mean, I believe we are all thankfull for you donations, they surelly help the site and if the site is happy, I'm happy. But remember, you have donated. You have not bought e-hentai shares (I think). It was said that e-hentai costs almost 50K per year so, unless you have donated a significant ammount PER YEAR to cover that, unless you have donnated more than what the galleries you want to expunge made with the ads and you will continue donating to cover that what it would have made in the future, I don't think that what some of you think weighs as much as you think it does.
- I'm all in for letting only the quality stuff, but that is exactly the problem: subjectivity. Personally I think 99% of the Met-Arts pics are garbage. I think, just as Tenseigamoon said, they are a bunch of skinny ugly women. But several other have posted here stating that they like it and who am I to judge? As you can see it is not vey easy to tell what is quality material and what is not.
- perhaps a filter would help those complaining that real porn gets in the way while they ae randomly browsing through the galleries? Altough I think that the ones that already exist and the thumbnail that shows when you pass the mouse over the gallery are more than enough.
- finally, because of the "what is quality" issue, if the real porn is really getting so much in the way, I vote for an automatic solution based on tags. We simply tag real porn as "real porn" and then the system takes care of it. If it had less than a certain ammount of page views during a certain period of time, it is out.
Well, those were my thoughts about the subject, but don't worry, I have never donated so they do not matter (much hehe). And now that you guys understand a little bit more of what was going on inside my twisted mind after I read this topic, please do carry on.
This post has been edited by Ferneu: Jul 10 2010, 23:01
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Jul 10 2010, 23:21
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Spectre
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QUOTE(Boggyb @ Jul 10 2010, 16:17)  That it's noticeable is a problem.
Well I've worked at the professional level, so generally I am capable of guesstimating the skill level of the photographer (though of course pros have their bad days and beginners get lucky), but that's me. QUOTE(Ferneu @ Jul 10 2010, 16:57)  - perhaps a filter would help those complaining that real porn gets in the way while they ae randomly browsing through the galleries? Altough I think that the ones that already exist and the thumbnail that shows when you pass the mouse over the gallery are more than enough.
Turning off misc from the default view kinda sorta does what you suggest, but that is not the point these people are trying to convey. QUOTE(Ferneu @ Jul 10 2010, 16:57)  - finally, because of the "what is quality" issue, if the real porn is really getting so much in the way, I vote for an automatic solution based on tags. We simply tag real porn as "real porn" and then the system takes care of it. If it had less than a certain ammount of page views during a certain period of time, it is out. But then that is administrative moderation based on a potentially abusable method of reporting, not self moderation by the userbase where the same feature simply labels what the gallery is. And using pageviews isn't necessarily a good idea; I've had a gallery that took a 6 month breather and then without me doing anything got really popular (it may have been a comic convention or something, I don't know).
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Jul 11 2010, 01:17
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bladejtr
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Just thought people would like to know, it's working wonderfully so far, you have to go 6-7 pages into the front page of the galleries to see real porn already, except the occasional new post.
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Jul 11 2010, 01:42
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QUOTE(bladejtr @ Jul 10 2010, 16:17)  Just thought people would like to know, it's working wonderfully so far, you have to go 6-7 pages into the front page of the galleries to see real porn already, except the occasional new post.
Getting re-uppers who didn't commit in this thread to help has been huge.
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Jul 11 2010, 02:35
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QUOTE(Spectre @ Jul 10 2010, 18:21)  But then that is administrative moderation based on a potentially abusable method of reporting, not self moderation by the userbase where the same feature simply labels what the gallery is. And using pageviews isn't necessarily a good idea; I've had a gallery that took a 6 month breather and then without me doing anything got really popular (it may have been a comic convention or something, I don't know).
Well, at least that was a suggestion. It might not have been the brightest idea in the world (which is the case of 99% of what comes out of my head), but that was what I've managed to come up with. And it is better than what is being suggested, which is to simply scrap it all off. And I don't know if it got clear enough, but that (my idea) would be valid only for the "real porn" tag, which seems to be the biggest problem around here. There are probably better options out there though. The only thing I'd really hate to see would be having some kinds of real porn spared. Not that I don't like this or that, it is just the principle of the thing. I mean, if we are going to keep with the original site idea, fine by me. Out with everything that is not drawn. As long as we are not removing "real porn that I don't like" and keeping "real porn that I like", it is fine by me. That is something that really bothers me. Like many countries that allow people to smoke and drink but arrest people for "using drugs"... What??? Or you allow the use of drugs or you don't. Do I use drugs? Do I drink or smoke? No, and I think that people who does (do???) this kind of stuff are idiots. But who am I to say they cannot do what they want? It is their lives and they have the right to destroylive it the way they want, AS LONG AS THEY DON'T HARM OTHERS.
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Jul 11 2010, 02:42
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bladejtr
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QUOTE(Ferneu @ Jul 10 2010, 20:35)  Well, at least that was a suggestion. It might not have been the brightest idea in the world (which is the case of 99% of what comes out of my head), but that was what I've managed to come up with. And it is better than what is being suggested, which is to simply scrap it all off. And I don't know if it got clear enough, but that (my idea) would be valid only for the "real porn" tag, which seems to be the biggest problem around here. There are probably better options out there though.
The only thing I'd really hate to see would be having some kinds of real porn spared. Not that I don't like this or that, it is just the principle of the thing. I mean, if we are going to keep with the original site idea, fine by me. Out with everything that is not drawn. As long as we are not removing "real porn that I don't like" and keeping "real porn that I like", it is fine by me.
That is something that really bothers me. Like many countries that allow people to smoke and drink but arrest people for "using drugs"... What??? Or you allow the use of drugs or you don't. Do I use drugs? Do I drink or smoke? No, and I think that people who does (do???) this kind of stuff are idiots. But who am I to say they cannot do what they want? It is their lives and they have the right to destroylive it the way they want, AS LONG AS THEY DON'T HARM OTHERS.
It's not scrapped, it's expunged, you can still find it/search for it. Expunging does two things: It doesn't get people rewards anymore and it doesn't show up unless you specifically make it show.
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Jul 11 2010, 04:27
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QUOTE(Shadow Weaver @ Jul 10 2010, 06:49)  My quote however would suggest that your method is against the rules of the sight.
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Jul 11 2010, 05:34
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QUOTE(Dlaglacz @ Jul 10 2010, 09:54)  I wish it was possible to vote against expunging as garbage, then galleries that are perceived by many as being good quality could be downvoted.
This is also why this is going so well, people are allowed to speak out against it all they want but are in no way allowed to do anything to counter it. This is why I highly suggest that anyone who has been wronged to complain directly to Tenboro, this is the only thing that can be done.
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Jul 11 2010, 05:58
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BradRepko
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QUOTE(Shadow Weaver @ Jul 10 2010, 20:34)  This is also why this is going so well, people are allowed to speak out against it all they want but are in no way allowed to do anything to counter it. This is why I highly suggest that anyone who has been wronged to complain directly to Tenboro, this is the only thing that can be done.
If Tenboro did do something about it, that would cause even more conflict. There have been galleries before this whole debate came along that have been expunged as garbage based solely on the opinions of a number of members. People judge garbage based on their own opinion. I have seen drawn galleries where their pictures weren't all that bad, but others thought they were crap. I have seen real porn galleries where the model was labeled fat that I thought was a stretch. There have been rewrites and photo manip galleries that broke no rules but were deemed as crap by the other members. All that could be done was to complain and listen as the verdict came back that it's what the other members wanted. As the rules stand now, there is room for member bias. If enough members don't like something, they can have it expunged. To grant the real porn galleries, which aren't expressly prohibited, special rights would be giving them special privileges that other galleries never had. I have no problem expunging the real porn galleries as garbage, but if Tenboro gave them special privileges and brought them back, and doesn't extend those rights to other galleries that were expunged based o the opinions of others, I'll protest that myself. I'm not saying that it wasn't fair that the other stuff was expunged, it's allowed under the rules of the site, but if a special exception is made for real porn, then it becomes unfair!
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Jul 11 2010, 06:32
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QUOTE(Shadow Weaver @ Jul 10 2010, 20:34)  This is why I highly suggest that anyone who has been wronged to complain directly to Tenboro, this is the only thing that can be done.
I disagree with the choice of the word "wronged", but I completely agree. People should go ahead and PM Tenboro. Do it. Complaining about the expunging of real porn is probably the best way to get Tenboro to ban it.
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Jul 11 2010, 06:53
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BradRepko
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I hope he doesn't swing the other way and prohibit this campaign to expel the garbage.
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Jul 11 2010, 07:01
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Msgr. Radixius
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Whatever happened to the "realporn" tag idea?
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Jul 11 2010, 07:06
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QUOTE(BradRepko @ Jul 10 2010, 21:53)  I hope he doesn't swing the other way and prohibit this campaign to expel the garbage.
He had the option to do that before we started. I doubt he does that now. QUOTE(radixius @ Jul 10 2010, 22:01)  Whatever happened to the "realporn" tag idea?
It's being used. This post has been edited by Boggyb: Jul 11 2010, 07:07
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Jul 11 2010, 07:10
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Msgr. Radixius
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So, then, why the expungification? I thought realporn was supposed to be a magic tag and it was going to do something similar, anyway...
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Jul 11 2010, 07:14
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QUOTE(radixius @ Jul 10 2010, 22:10)  So, then, why the expungification? I thought realporn was supposed to be a magic tag and it was going to do something similar, anyway...
I first suggested the tag to be used similar to "already uploaded", "prohibited content", and "replaced". That is, so you know which galleries to expunge. (In this case to know which ones had been put up for expunging.)
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Jul 11 2010, 07:36
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QUOTE(BradRepko @ Jul 10 2010, 23:58)  If Tenboro did do something about it, that would cause even more conflict. There have been galleries before this whole debate came along that have been expunged as garbage based solely on the opinions of a number of members. People judge garbage based on their own opinion. I have seen drawn galleries where their pictures weren't all that bad, but others thought they were crap. I have seen real porn galleries where the model was labeled fat that I thought was a stretch. There have been rewrites and photo manip galleries that broke no rules but were deemed as crap by the other members. All that could be done was to complain and listen as the verdict came back that it's what the other members wanted.
I agree on this, garbage is wholly overused for expunging. So many galleries get expunged because a few people decided they don't like it. No rules are broken so why is it expunged? There are ratings and commenting that are there to express your opinion of a gallery. I generally only use garbage for things of very poor quality or those random wallpaper galleries of things like cars. For the latter I will comment that they don't belong here.
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Jul 11 2010, 09:43
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Luscious Larry
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Hi Gang, it's me again. Couldn't help but notice the merry band of bullies has been killing off my galleries in retribution of my previous post. That's fine, you just prove my point, thanks. No big deal, I started deleting them after I posted my last comments. The system will only allow me to delete so many at a time. I will delete them ASAP. The point of most websites is to make money. RealPorn, like it or not draws traffic to this site. High traffic in turn equals high ad revenue. Kill the RealPorn, and you kill the revenue. For those of you bragging about your donations, good for you, it's your money, you spend it as you see fit. Does this website need your donations? You decide. Put a link in for you to check out. I don't think Tenboro will be in the poorhouse or collecting welfare anytime soon. When I say that I am not insulting him in any way shape or form. God Bless capitalism. Good for him, rock on. After all we're not communists, well maybe some of you. [ www.websiteoutlook.com] http://www.websiteoutlook.com/www.e-hentai.orgTo Spectre, you are the voice of reason, I enjoyed reading your comments. You are obviously more mature than the rest.
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Jul 11 2010, 11:02
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QUOTE(Shadow Weaver @ Jul 10 2010, 08:33)  Before your next argument, the name of the site being e-hentai is irrelevant. My screen name is Shadow Weaver, do you really think that I can actually weave shadows? "Adult Japanese fanworks community" "Free Hentai, Doujinshi, Manga, CG Sets, H-Anime" "The Free Hentai Doujinshi, Manga, HCG and Image Gallery System" "This is a place where you can upload private and public galleries of hentai and anime-related content [...]" "Proudly presenting E-Hentai Classic: Redux! Serving quality free hentai, doujinshi, manga and everything else hentai-related." (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) This post has been edited by 3d0xp0xy: Jul 11 2010, 11:09
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