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Ugh, hate it, but make sure they're classes as misc, and if it's mostly hentai leave it be, mostly real porn kill it with fire.

Rules discussion is intended to take place here, as was the express exemptions mentioned.
They will certainly be included.
I would hope for more than 3 days since the official removal is at 7, you're more than halving our ability to get this done.
Also, with the intent to get 100 power I was hoping for more people to join with us, there's a lot of people in the other vigilante threads that probably haven't even seen this and of course those looking for toplist-ness.

Your statement below this quote about your possible absence, is why I am pushing for 120 points before starting. Re-Up had a problem with failed pets when the second generation faded away, and one of the remaining ones disappeared for a day or two.

As for making that tool continue it's usefulness, would it be difficult to just exclude misc from it? That may be a solution to the potential spam there and allowing us the full time to get rid of them.

"Failed" pets do not appear on the SOCOM until 3 Dawns have past While your suggestion could likely be done, it would interfere with dupe/replace/Illicit non-RP misc stuff being caught by SOCOM.

Basically, my concern is that the SOCOM Expunge List not get flooded by a half-assed effort, and not the future fate of Real Porn.

Great, now I have to wait ten days to find out Alpha's surprise (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

It's not my surprise. I just know about it.

Assuming my searches for redhead, blonde, and brunette gave me an accurate count, there are currently 12,000 real porn galleries. Expecting people to stay pumped up for that long is a little absurd.

I really expect that after a few 100 or few thousand expunges, you'll have people bailing because it is "just too much work".

I'm going to endeavor to make it as easy as possible, search for tag, click expunge, paste previously copied reason into reason box, click expunge, repeat.
I'm also hoping that even if some people bail because it's hard work we'll get enough general vigilante people to keep it rolling just fine.

Hey, boggy and aereth, am I counting you in on this or no? You haven't really given a sold yes or no to it.

... Aereth? I'll assume that's me (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
Unfortunately, I don't even know what my power is (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) (been gone a while, forgot a lot, insert other excuses/reasons here)
On the other hand, if it is worth it to count me in, you can do so.

... Aereth? I'll assume that's me (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
Unfortunately, I don't even know what my power is (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) (been gone a while, forgot a lot, insert other excuses/reasons here)
On the other hand, if it is worth it to count me in, you can do so.

Yeh, you, and it's 4, for garbage if I read the chart right.

Well then, +4 to the pool I suppose (Though, I think it's 3?)

pretty sure it rounds up at a .5 so half of 7 ends up as 4, unless someone else knows better?

Please explain why a real porn tag is needed when all the real porn already has tags that are only used for real porn. You can't just say let's start with the blondes, then we'll move to the brunettes, then the redheads, and finally the asians (non-nude).

How much is this going to disrupt the normal vigilante work. One of the best taggers is taking off on a crusade. A high ranking clean up guy is going to. The guy leading the crusade doesn't have the time to because he installed himself as the site authority on lolicon and is supposed to to be checking every gallery that comes in every day and tagging all instances of lolicon.

It's true that a lot of people won't see this through. I've seen it happen many times in tagging. A new guy comes in and tags like wildfire, even I can't keep up with him, and a month later he's gone and never heard from again.

But then you risk losing voters who want all of it gone.

You should open a thread similar to this one exclusively to deal with the Asian Porn issue.

But then you risk losing voters who want all of it gone.

... Who are in the minority.

Just to clear something up: "don't care" doesn't mean "knock yourself out", it means "I have no personal preference on whether 'real porn' that isn't related to the site's primary function should stay or not". It would still require a significant consensus before it's ok to start killing it off.

And you may not use "Illicit", as this would be a change in policy, and that particular expunge category counts towards the automated banning mechanism. "Garbage" does not.

There's no official rule because Tenboro won't make an official rule. And why he won't make an official rule against misc real porn being allowed here is a mystery because people have been complaining about it for the longest time.

It's created more problems than it's worth keeping it here so we have to do something about it. And Tenboro said he didn't care so he's putting it in our hands now because we're getting fed up with it.

I think if people who upload real porn see that it's being expunged as garbage then they'll eventually give up putting it here. And if it's their only source of GP income then maybe they'll want to think about donating to get GP and hath from the adopt-a-servers or maybe donate to get a star so they can get credits. It could actually be a good thing.

All I hear is (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)


Why not, instead of expunging every gallery, just tag them "Real porn" and then put said tag in your bad tag list.

Or better yet, institute a rule on real porn that it should be tagged "Real porn".


Seriously, there is no need to ban real porn. This is a hentai site, yes, but we also have non-h, cosplay and asian porn categories.

Should they all go too? How about western? It's not hentai, should we get rid of it too?


In essence, if you want this site to "stay true" to it's hentai name, we should get rid of western, non-h, cosplay, asian porn, misc (most of misc anyway)
That's half the fucking galleries.

Instead of bitching about it and antagonizing everyone against it, just tag and be done with it.

KamuiSeph' date='Jul 1 2010, 05:42' post='734704']
All I hear is (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)
Why not, instead of expunging every gallery, just tag them "Real porn" and then put said tag in your bad tag list.

Or better yet, institute a rule on real porn that it should be tagged "Real porn".
Seriously, there is no need to ban real porn. This is a hentai site, yes, but we also have non-h, cosplay and asian porn categories.

Should they all go too? How about western? It's not hentai, should we get rid of it too?
In essence, if you want this site to "stay true" to it's hentai name, we should get rid of western, non-h, cosplay, asian porn, misc (most of misc anyway)
That's half the fucking galleries.

Instead of bitching about it and antagonizing everyone against it, just tag and be done with it.

A point I was thinking of making. You're starting with real porn, what's next?

So you're only allow to expunge them as garbage. You want to do this just because they are real porn and thus will petition without bothering to look at the gallery and form an opinion. Yeah that sounds like the right thing to do. That's a very dangerous precedent to set. Maybe I'll start throwing around random garbage petitions because I feel like it, I won't need to bother looking at the gallery anymore to do that. Maybe I'll get a posse together and we can expunge random galleries as garbage for shits and giggles. So who wants to be in my posse?

Ok, well, let me chip in my last 2c, and then leave it to you guys:

You'll get a lot more casual browsers for the real porn (this is a simple matter of statistics), and at a sampling of ~15 front page loads more than 50% of the ads rotated are for real porn. From experience with other sites, seasoned users will either have ads-b-gone perk deployed, firefox adblock or similar, or simply won't look/click on the ads because they fall into the expected places on the page.

I don't know if the ad revenue is significant in the grand scheme of keeping the site afloat given the number of adopted slots there are, but still.

And forgive my ignorance, but why does getting rid of any gallery require an argument? Just vote to expunge if you think it should go, drop it into a vigilante thread if you want, and if enough people agree with you it'll disappear (and surely 20 or less expunges shouldn't be that hard to come by if something is broadly offensive). There seems to be a whole lot of drama/selfimportance inserted into this process for no benefit - you're quite literally making your own lives difficult, and then seeking to apply the axe because you've gotten yourself so overwrought.

Getting rid of a lot of the crap real porn posts could concievably be resolved with a few minimal rules, no posts under 20 images (gets rid of galleries that seem to be little more than scraped content from 'free' gallery pages'), no images under x pixels (ditto, plus not many producers of large-res photography content will include thoroughly "ugly" models because that's counterproductive to high-res). Obviously, you'd need a flag, category, or other marker to enable this to be automated. Anything not in the correct category would quickly be expunged or reclassified.

But if nothing else, and it all gets kicked to the kerb, you still really need to get on the whole notifying uploaders thing, besides the realporn side of things there's other things that evidently need educating into people.

A point I was thinking of making. You're starting with real porn, what's next?

I did make this point in my first post. This has the potential to become the 'thin end of the wedge'

In essence, if you want this site to "stay true" to it's hentai name, we should get rid of western, non-h, cosplay, asian porn, misc (most of misc anyway)

Western: Relevant because it's for erotic drawings, just in a different art style than hentai.
Non-H: Like hentai, these are Japanese comics, albeit non-pornographic.
Cosplay: Still has that Japanese theme, with people dressed as characters commonly found in hentai.
Asian Porn: I'm not sure about this one, but it's certainly somewhat more relevant than non-Asian real porn.
Misc: Most of Misc is real porn, and would already be gone.

A point I was thinking of making. You're starting with real porn, what's next?

<The Shadow Weaver rhetoric we all know and love.>

You don't disappoint. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

I did make this point in my first post. This has the potential to become the 'thin end of the wedge'

Do you need some more lubricant for that slippery slope of yours?

May I suggest an alternate course? This all came about to try to stem the real porn being uploaded. How about this instead, scrap the present limit system and in it's stead introduce a hard limit. If an uploader wants to increase this limit it's either going to be a hath perk and cost credits to train it.

This means that a lot of these guys will have a hard time increasing their limit without it taking a long time or investing resources into the site (time, money or H@H). This should severely slow the influx of galleries that fall under the limit. It doesn't require a conspiracy, it's fair, and it shouldn't piss many people off.

Western: Relevant because it's for erotic drawings, just in a different art style than hentai.
Non-H: Like hentai, these are Japanese comics, albeit non-pornographic.
Cosplay: Still has that Japanese theme, with people dressed as characters commonly found in hentai.
Asian Porn: I'm not sure about this one, but it's certainly somewhat more relevant than non-Asian real porn.
Misc: Most of Misc is real porn, and would already be gone.
You don't disappoint. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
Do you need some more lubricant for that slippery slope of yours?

Western - not hentai
Non-h -not hentai
cosplay - not hentai

Do you see where I'm going with this?

If real porn shouldn't be here because it's not hentai, then there is no justification to keep those other categories.

Japanese theme? It's not hentai.

If you guys find real porn to be intruding and distracting and want to get rid of it, someone will find that other stuff distracting and will try and get rid of it on the same grounds.

Is it too much of a bother to tag real porn as "real porn"?

Seriously, just make a rule that it has to be tagged and buy the tag flagging perk.


I'm trying not to be too much of an asshole, but you guys aren't sensible in these things.

What are you all republicans of hentai or something, geez.

Western - not hentai
Non-h -not hentai
cosplay - not hentai

Do you see where I'm going with this?

Not really. Let me guess: trolling?


*slaps my self: "I should not reply to trolling"*

For the last time, I am not trying to remove real porn from my personal viewing space, I want to remove it from the website.

I already gave my reasons, but since people seem to have ignored my post, or just can't refute them, I'll explain.

No other hentai site I've ever seen allows for real porn uploads, except some asian porn, which is why I'm not going to start messing with that.

A shitload of people come through here, on a regular basis and complain about it.

You can get all the real porn you'd ever want elsewhere, easily, for free.

Real porn in now effectively the #3 upload, taking up around 15% of the site's material.

As for the tag, shadow, I know you don't like it, but the intent is that every gallery that gets it will be gone, very soon, so it should not become an issue.

I don't want to use existing tags for a few reasons, first and foremost I want it to be a unifying part of the effort, the virtual bullseye painted on the target so to speak.

With a limit on the number of pages possible to view I don't want everyone running all over and trying to expunge different galleries, then we end up missing some due to overlooking them.

So, stop claiming we're going to go after other things afterward, or some such, it's not going to happen.

Oh, and as I stated in the first post, this fits in current accepted expunge guidelines, I and the other people voting feel these galleries provide no relevant material to the website.