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I support separating western / 3d / AI content into both Artist CG and Game CG

Re AI translated: it's difficult to impossible to reliably determine when a translation was done by AI vs someone who just doesn't translate well - especially when you consider translations of translations etc.

Agree with this. AI content should be categorized too

We do not have any plans on introducing any tags to filter AI content specifically. If you want to suggest something more broadly applicable that has not already been suggested, read here: https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showtopic=174444

Just to be clear, is the photorealistic AI stuff supposed to be allowed? Because if it is, then grouping those pictures and AI-drawn comics and illustrations all under the same tag seems like a pretty massive range of content that isn't being differentiated from each other.

I mean I understand that none of the AI-generated content is technically real photography in the way that a cosplay photoshoot would be, but also that seems like a pretty pedantic thing to get hung up on in a world where digital cameras already apply beauty filters automatically and all those cosplay photosets are photoshopped and digitally manipulated as well.

Just to be clear, is the photorealistic AI stuff supposed to be allowed? Because if it is, then grouping those pictures and AI-drawn comics and illustrations all under the same tag seems like a pretty massive range of content that isn't being differentiated from each other.

I mean I understand that none of the AI-generated content is technically real photography in the way that a cosplay photoshoot would be, but also that seems like a pretty pedantic thing to get hung up on in a world where digital cameras already apply beauty filters automatically and all those cosplay photosets are photoshopped and digitally manipulated as well.

The plan is to have some kind of matrix where different categories can be toggled. AI comics and the loose imagesets would not necessarily be grouped together.

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               Native   Western   3D   AI

Doujinshi         X
Manga             X
Comics                     X       X    X
Non-H             X
Cosplay           X
Game CG           X        X       X    X
Artist CG         X        X       X    X
Image Set         X        X       X    X
Misc              X
Uncategorized              X       X

https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?s=&am...t&p=6398210

If you have anything new/useful to add to the discussion around AI sub-tags, there is a thread here: https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showtopic=276032

I'm actually looking forward to seeing how the gallery category panel would change after the revamp.

Actually, AI doesn't even need to be a category on its own. you can just have it in the advanced options section and just have it checked/unchecked for AI-generation. It worked well for sites like DLSite and Pixiv...

AI should be classified separately, and materially speaking, they are just the result of the accumulation of big data, not drawn by humans, and I think this is quite a good reason (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Actually, AI doesn't even need to be a category on its own. you can just have it in the advanced options section and just have it checked/unchecked for AI-generation. It worked well for sites like DLSite and Pixiv...

The problem here is that we distinguish between Asian and Western artists. AIs are neither, so how do we classify them?

If we classify them based on art style, we'd have to treat human artists the same. The reason we don't, is because we can't really come up with a set of objective criteria that everyone can agree with. This would lead to people reclassifying the same gallery back and forth because they each believe the gallery belongs to the other side.

So, no, AI does need to be a category on its own.

The nationality doesn't come into it, even as a sub category as currently (afaik by latest update) is planned. In fact, you'd only have to worry about that if you actually made it a main category

Currently:

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               Native   Western   3D   AI

Doujinshi         X
Manga             X
Comics                     X       X    X
Non-H             X
Cosplay           X
Game CG           X        X       X    X
Artist CG         X        X       X    X
Image Set         X        X       X    X
Misc              X
Uncategorized              X       X

You'd just have comics + ai, game cg + ai, artist cg + ai, image set + ai


If you had it as a main category instead,

CODE

               Native   Western   3D

Doujinshi         X
Manga             X
Comics                     X       X    
Non-H             X
Cosplay           X
Game CG           X        X       X    
Artist CG         X        X       X    
Image Set         X        X       X    
Misc              X
AI                X        X       X
Uncategorized              X       X

You would then have to determine if it was ai + native, ai + western, ai + 3d... which as you say, we can't do.
It would also reduce the overall level of categorization.

If I'm misunderstanding and you are talking about having it as a sub category, then feel free to ignore this, it can just be a generic reply to the other posts about main category v sub category elsewhere in the thread.

my 5 cents:
art style (eastern, western, 3D, AI) should be described by tags
category should characterize the gallery format: longreads (manga, doujinshi, comics), strips (plot per page), artist collection, themed image set, anthology, game assets, colsplay photoshot, artbook and etc

This post has been edited by ikki.: Jan 7 2025, 11:53

1. AI is just a tool. Dedicating a subcategory to it is like doing so for scans (pencil) and digital versions (tablet).

Right now is pretty easy to notice when something is done with AI, but if we think in the future, that will not be the case. What will happen with that category when AI starts to be able to produce drawings like the ones we see in manga? Or when some artists start to integrate it in their workflow? It won't even be possible to tag them anymore, let alone categorize them.

2. I don't think it matters where games come from to be honest. I would go with the 3D subcategory (not AI one as stated in 1.) as long as there is the option to browse both 2D and 3D together.

3. Having a Mixed subcategory might be overcomplicating things. I would leave them in the native category.

Right now is pretty easy to notice when something is done with AI, but if we think in the future, that will not be the case. What will happen with that category when AI starts to be able to produce drawings like the ones we see in manga? Or when some artists start to integrate it in their workflow? It won't even be possible to tag them anymore, let alone categorize them.

The naming/tagging rules already cover this. They have to clearly be ai to the casual reader to count.

The naming/tagging rules already cover this. They have to clearly be ai to the casual reader to count.

Then, wouldn't that mean that once AI is capable of what I stated, the subcategory will be effectively dead? Since it won't be obvious that is AI, it won't be categorized as it.

If it ever managed to get to that point. But old stuff won't disappear, and it's a bit assumption that lower quality/more obvious stuff won't keep happening regardless.

If it ever managed to get to that point. But old stuff won't disappear, and it's a bit assumption that lower quality/more obvious stuff won't keep happening regardless.

I guess it depends on how optimistic the person is about AI. If you think it won't manage to get to that point the subcategory could make sense. If it manages though, obvious stuff won't be a thing unless free AIs don't manage to do the same. Your point stays valid nonetheless.

fwiw, I don't imagine it's going to be much of a burden even if it's there. Assuming default category filters will still be a thing, it's just be a case of you set it to off if you don't want to see it, you leave it on if you don't care if you see it, it's not adding an extra layer of complexity for the searcher (the matrix has the same width and height regardless) either.

fwiw, I don't imagine it's going to be much of a burden even if it's there. Assuming default category filters will still be a thing, it's just be a case of you set it to off if you don't want to see it, you leave it on if you don't care if you see it, it's not adding an extra layer of complexity for the searcher (the matrix has the same width and height regardless) either.

You can do exactly that adding the tag to your tag set. The reason why I'm opposing to it being a category is because while tags and categories are both filters, they serve different purposes, and therefore, have different requisites. Their main two differences are the following:

Categories need a constant influx of content, tags need content to be already there.
This is the main reason why 'novel' or 'magazine' can be tags, but not categories. AI currently fulfills this requisite, and we already agreed to disagree in regard to the evolution of that statement. So far so good.

Categories need to be mutually exclusive, tags don't.
Here's the key reason why AI will never be suited to be a category. You will never see a doujin that is at the same time a comic, or an image set that is at the same time an artist cg. As I said in a previous post, AI is a tool, and therefore, can be used to do whatever of those things.
3D also cannot be a main category for the same reason. As a subcategory though, 3D makes a lot of sense if the other subcategory is 2D, but AI doesn't, cause it can be both 2D and 3D.
Same happens with Western subcategory when paired with 3D. As they are not mutually exclusive, you have to prioritize one or the other. In my opinion, Western/Eastern should take priority if there are text bubbles in the content, since reading orientation would be different. If text comes in any other format, or there is not text, I would prioritize 2D/3D subcategories.

To sum it up, this is how I would categorize content with Tenboro's suggestion as a base. Blank would work as just the category, and selecting a subcategory would filter down the search even more.

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Doujinshi
Manga
Non-H
Cosplay
(2D/3D/<blank>) Game CG
Artist CG
(2D/3D/<blank>) Image Set
Comics
Misc

I removed subcategories from Comics cause I have the impression all of them are read left to right, and I don't think there is enough 3D comics to justify a subcategory for it. Same logic for Artist CG, but this time with right to left reading orientation. Correct me if I'm wrong, and if I am, consider my opinion to be having western/eastern subcategories in there.

This post has been edited by SirZoric: Feb 17 2025, 11:33

CODE

Doujinshi
Manga
Non-H
Cosplay
(Western/3D/AI/<blank>) Game CG
(Western/3D/AI/<blank>) Artist CG
(Western/3D/AI/<blank>) Image Set
(Western/3D/AI) Comics
Misc

I'd have it like this:

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(Eastern / Western) | (2D / 3D / AI)        | Doujinshi
(Eastern / Western) | (2D / 3D / AI)        | Manga
(Eastern / Western) | (2D / 3D / AI)        | Non-H
(Eastern / Western) | (2D / 3D)             | Image Set
(Eastern / Western) | (2D / 3D)             | Game CG
(Eastern / Western) | (2D / 3D / AI / AIPR) | Artist CG
(Eastern / Western) |                       | Cosplay
(Eastern / Western) |                       | Misc

It's a lot of categories,but at the very least AI needs a lot of categories
as they're easy to make and flooding the board with image sets that can be put into multiple categories.
Western comic / Eastern comic and Realistic.
They really need those categories because most of the submissions are hardly ever tagged.

This post has been edited by MrDreamy: Jun 1 2025, 13:49

And more categories, which means more tagging/clean up needed, would solve this how?

And more categories, which means more tagging/clean up needed, would solve this how?

I'm only a user.
I just want to be able to toggle the Artist CG AI & AIPR (photo-realism) off
when looking for anything else, especially 3D hentai stories and misc stuff.

This post has been edited by MrDreamy: Jun 1 2025, 14:18