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post Oct 9 2025, 00:25
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QUOTE(Ass Spanker @ Oct 8 2025, 05:13) *

I don't see anything dropping at my place, though it's already possible to get one for 1200 USD over here, 1100 on a good deal.


I think my country was just getting hosed for 5000 series. AMD is barely trying and is selling 3:1 here.

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post Oct 10 2025, 06:37
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QUOTE(EsotericSatire @ Oct 9 2025, 00:25) *

I think my country was just getting hosed for 5000 series. AMD is barely trying and is selling 3:1 here.

It's hard for me to find a good deal in my local area. Even AMD is pricing people out, but I'm not sure about their sales.
At least I'd already bought what I wanted and can run anything I'd want to play at 1440p.
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post Oct 10 2025, 11:23
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QUOTE(EsotericSatire @ Oct 9 2025, 06:25) *

I think my country was just getting hosed for 5000 series. AMD is barely trying and is selling 3:1 here.

I spoke too early. 5080 dropped to 1050 base, 950 on a good deal over here. Barely more expensive than the 5070Ti I bought last month. Small regret but it's ok
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post Oct 12 2025, 19:24
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I made the mistake of upgrading my GPU drivers after 5 months of using the same ones JUST FINE.

No issues in games at least, thank god, but for some fucking reason nvidia control panel is not bundled anymore, and for SOME REASON you can't even download nvidia control panel anymore outside of the MS store which I don't have installed and don't want (yeah, I figured out some 1337 hack to download it directly from the powershell command line).

But now my screen won't time out to black anymore no matter what registry fixes I've tried (all the settings say it's SUPPOSED TO turn black after 10 minutes or 1 minute on the lock screen, which it USED TO do) and it really pisses me off. Especially since my monitor is OLED and it doesn't have a convenient manual "standby mode". It only has one that automatically triggers when the feed from the PC cuts off. So if I don't want to needlessly burn it out (no issues with burn-in so far, but no reason to try my luck) I have to power the monitor completely off or put up a fullscreen black .png every time I don't use the computer.

All because of a fucking driver update that probably did nothing else. I only updated because that's what you're "supposed to do". The old ones worked fine.

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post Oct 13 2025, 03:34
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QUOTE(kotitonttu @ Oct 12 2025, 07:24) *

I made the mistake of upgrading my GPU drivers after 5 months of using the same ones JUST FINE.

No issues in games at least, thank god, but for some fucking reason nvidia control panel is not bundled anymore, and for SOME REASON you can't even download nvidia control panel anymore outside of the MS store which I don't have installed and don't want (yeah, I figured out some 1337 hack to download it directly from the powershell command line).


Are you on Windows 11? It sounds like an 11 thing, MS pushing for people to actually use their stupid store instead of having freedom.
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post Oct 13 2025, 06:26
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QUOTE(EsotericSatire @ Oct 13 2025, 04:34) *

Are you on Windows 11? It sounds like an 11 thing, MS pushing for people to actually use their stupid store instead of having freedom.

10.

Used to be you could download drivers with or without it, but now you can't. Only the "DCH" variant is available.
[nvidia.custhelp.com] https://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/det...ndows-store-app

idk if the change is related to this.
[www.techradar.com] https://www.techradar.com/computing/softwar...its-replacement

Can't wait!
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post Oct 13 2025, 09:53
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I usually get my drivers updated with NVCleanstall.
[www.techpowerup.com] https://www.techpowerup.com/nvcleanstall/

It's lightweight and get me better choices than the manufacturer's support site. They're really pushing enshittification to everything these days.
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post Oct 13 2025, 23:29
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QUOTE(kotitonttu @ Oct 12 2025, 18:26) *

10.

Used to be you could download drivers with or without it, but now you can't. Only the "DCH" variant is available.
[nvidia.custhelp.com] https://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/det...ndows-store-app

idk if the change is related to this.
[www.techradar.com] https://www.techradar.com/computing/softwar...its-replacement

Can't wait!


That's annoying. I dislike the windows store.
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post Oct 15 2025, 04:55
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Thanks for the heads up.
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post Oct 15 2025, 05:12
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Has anyone used an Intel discrete graphics card?

I am kind of confused, everyone is saying how great the new top end card Intel is launching next year will be but it will match 5070 performance. No pricing yet.

Why is this exciting? They are speculating it will be 50 to 100 less than the 5070 but with 16gb vram.

Intel: We are going to revolutionize graphics (by matching the 5070).
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post Oct 15 2025, 13:43
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QUOTE(EsotericSatire @ Oct 15 2025, 11:12) *

Has anyone used an Intel discrete graphics card?

I am kind of confused, everyone is saying how great the new top end card Intel is launching next year will be but it will match 5070 performance. No pricing yet.

Why is this exciting? They are speculating it will be 50 to 100 less than the 5070 but with 16gb vram.

Intel: We are going to revolutionize graphics (by matching the 5070).

Tbh, if they can sell something that is better than the competition, that's good enough. Nothing to revolutionize, but better and cheaper is good.
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post Oct 15 2025, 16:19
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More competition is good. Matching the 5070 still puts it about on par with the most powerful AMD cards. Currently the best Intel GPU is about on par with a 2070. That's very rapid development.
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post Oct 15 2025, 17:49
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QUOTE(kotitonttu @ Oct 12 2025, 20:24) *

I made the mistake of upgrading my GPU drivers after 5 months of using the same ones JUST FINE.

No issues in games at least, thank god, but for some fucking reason nvidia control panel is not bundled anymore, and for SOME REASON you can't even download nvidia control panel anymore outside of the MS store which I don't have installed and don't want (yeah, I figured out some 1337 hack to download it directly from the powershell command line).

But now my screen won't time out to black anymore no matter what registry fixes I've tried (all the settings say it's SUPPOSED TO turn black after 10 minutes or 1 minute on the lock screen, which it USED TO do) and it really pisses me off. Especially since my monitor is OLED and it doesn't have a convenient manual "standby mode". It only has one that automatically triggers when the feed from the PC cuts off. So if I don't want to needlessly burn it out (no issues with burn-in so far, but no reason to try my luck) I have to power the monitor completely off or put up a fullscreen black .png every time I don't use the computer.

All because of a fucking driver update that probably did nothing else. I only updated because that's what you're "supposed to do". The old ones worked fine.

Oh my god guys, you will NOT believe what just happened! Updating Windows 10 fixed the issue. Updating. Windows 10. Fixed an issue. I'm for real guys this is no joke.

Now, the update still failed after requiring 4 reboots and reverted to a previous version with a "something unexpedted happened" 0x800f0922 error message, buuuuut... it works(?) kind of, for now, I guess.
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post Oct 16 2025, 06:19
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Ahaha, one of the few times Windows updates actually solved anything.

The last time I updated, it removed my crypto GUI through defender (easily restored) and deleted my Realtekā„¢ audio drivers. I had to download the driver wizard from their site to actually hear again.
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post Oct 16 2025, 21:32
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speaking of realtek, anyone else noticed on newer computers some realtek software that seems to need to be running in addition to the driver to get sound, which uses a crapton of CPU time whenever it's running?

i know the M1 and later ARM macs have some "middle-ware" (not sure what to call it) like that, too, but I've never had to use one for long so I don't know how bad CPU usage is.

On the GPU front, someone i know seems to have a faulty dedicated GPU in their gaming laptop. Random BSOD's with status messages about IRQ problems. Anything they should try that doesn't involve baking the motherboard, apart from switching to integrated graphics? We ruled out driver downgrades and ran memtest for about half a day (four passes) which turned up nothing. It happens most often when gaming, too.

I told them to switch to integrated graphics and forget about using the AMD GPU. But they are reluctant to swallow that pill. Despite their integrated GPU being probably more powerful than my most performant dedicated one (which is 10+ years old).

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post Oct 16 2025, 23:57
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QUOTE(Moonlight Rambler @ Oct 16 2025, 09:32) *

speaking of realtek, anyone else noticed on newer computers some realtek software that seems to need to be running in addition to the driver to get sound, which uses a crapton of CPU time whenever it's running?


A recent issue? A decade ago I had that problem but was able to find the direct drivers just for the chipset that realtek had licensed in that case. I think it was a c-media chip after the realtek acquisition agreement.



QUOTE(Moonlight Rambler @ Oct 16 2025, 09:32) *

On the GPU front, someone i know seems to have a faulty dedicated GPU in their gaming laptop. Random BSOD's with status messages about IRQ problems. Anything they should try that doesn't involve baking the motherboard, apart from switching to integrated graphics? We ruled out driver downgrades and ran memtest for about half a day (four passes) which turned up nothing. It happens most often when gaming, too.

I told them to switch to integrated graphics and forget about using the AMD GPU. But they are reluctant to swallow that pill. Despite their integrated GPU being probably more powerful than my most performant dedicated one (which is 10+ years old).


Which graphics chip is it? if its in the 2006-2015 era they had lead free solder issues.

If the laptop has a discrete MXM graphics module its much more repairable. Baking laptop chips is far less successful than with larger graphics chips, and reballing is also less successful.


IRQ errors are usually weird ass driver / chipset conflicts or hybrid graphics setting issue. Did hardware panel show any malfunctioning devices or a chipset conflicts or error icons.

Usually i'd go through the trouble shooting steps
1. Update windows, update chipset drivers, update graphics drivers. (you may need to do a full uninstall of the drivers to clean reinstall using uninstall tool)
2. Check hybrid or graphics switching settings (if it can be disabled)
3. Boot in safe mode
4. Remove all USB devices

If the laptop has a manufacturer 3rd party control panel, sometimes those cause grief and cause IRQ errors. Most recent case I dealt with was Asus's pile of shit armory crate that used to be decent but now causes IRQ errors and is constantly vulnerable to zero day exploits.


Most recent IRQ errors I resolved
1. ASUS Armoury crate
2. Weird conflict with a fancy USB hub
3. Update / uninstalling manufacturer control panel
4. Disabling the RGB...
5. Changing the Wifi card... the hunter killer mega wifi chip was causing a weird conflict

Usually resolved by updating everything, windows, chipset, graphics. Once required a fresh install.
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post Oct 17 2025, 00:00
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QUOTE(Moonlight Rambler @ Oct 16 2025, 22:32) *

speaking of realtek, anyone else noticed on newer computers some realtek software that seems to need to be running in addition to the driver to get sound, which uses a crapton of CPU time whenever it's running?

My fairly new mobo uses Realtek and the only thing I have running is some "Realtek HD Audio Universal Service" which takes up 4.2MB of ram and 0% cpu.

e. I googled a bit and that is probably the software you were referring to, but it seems to have been an issue with certain (MSI?) motherboards. My idle temps hover around 40c while these reports mention an idle temp in the 80s (lol). idk if the audio would work without it, I've had no reason to try killing the process.

But I guess I now know that I have this useful software always running:

(IMG:[i.imgur.com] https://i.imgur.com/30wavXi.png)

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QUOTE(Ass Spanker @ Oct 15 2025, 01:43) *

Tbh, if they can sell something that is better than the competition, that's good enough. Nothing to revolutionize, but better and cheaper is good.



yeah looking into so the cards releasing in Jan 26 may compete with 5070 possibly for a better value and people are interpreting the road map that 2027 cards will exceed 5000 series performance and people are making wild guesstimations like 5090 performance for half the price.
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post Oct 20 2025, 03:13
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QUOTE(kotitonttu @ Oct 15 2025, 18:49) *

Now, the update still failed after requiring 4 reboots and reverted to a previous version with a "something unexpedted happened" 0x800f0922 error message, buuuuut... it works(?) kind of, for now, I guess.

Ugh. Now I apparently need to fix this shit, because despite me not caring and automatic updates being disabled as a group policy, I woke up to my PC "retrying" this same failed update loop. Gotta love it.
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post Oct 21 2025, 14:58
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Kind of cool,where for some systems its possible to use an external portable gpu and lossless scaling.



The only issue I guess is that you need recent devices that have thunderbolt 4 for example.
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