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Do you have friends from the United States of America?
I would like to ask you how the price of Nvidia 40 series graphics card is, and whether there is a crazy price increase like our area.

Because of mining Bitcoin or other virtual currencies, and now using graphics cards to train AI or other reasons, in our area for a period of time, the price of a 4090 graphics card rose to an astonishing $3,199, and there were still people buying it, which caused the price to remain at a constant level. Not high enough.
This makes it almost impossible for us gamers to buy the best gaming graphics card like 4090 at the official recommended price of Nvidia.
And Nvidia's policies, or Jensen Huang's policies, are clearly contributing to this, which makes us hate him.

Just a quick search on google will tell you all the answer
If you look at micro center - even white one cost 1,749.99$
At newegg you can get 4090 for 1600$-1700$ most expensive one is asus rog strix which is 2000$

So NO card is costing 3199$ as you mentioned.

You can order one from USA (if import tax is low in your country) or can buy a used or open box at ebay

So NO card is costing 3199$ as you mentioned.

4090 is $2899 to $3599 here. Can be as low as $2400 but that sells fast.

Just a quick search on google will tell you all the answer
If you look at micro center - even white one cost 1,749.99$
At newegg you can get 4090 for 1600$-1700$ most expensive one is asus rog strix which is 2000$

So NO card is costing 3199$ as you mentioned.

You can order one from USA (if import tax is low in your country) or can buy a used or open box at ebay

Well, what I mean is that in my region, a 4090 graphics card can cost over $3000 in US dollars at its most expensive price.
Our country's policy fully allows electronic product vendors to deliberately hoard computer equipment and raise prices, which may also be due to NVIDIA's insufficient production capacity/our excessive demand. In short, up to now, our region is still unable to purchase 4090 graphics cards at the official suggested retail price.

4090 is $2899 to $3599 here. Can be as low as $2400 but that sells fast.

well you and me both knows those are inflated/scalper prices and not official price.


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Well, what I mean is that in my region, a 4090 graphics card can cost over $3000 in US dollars at its most expensive price.
Our country's policy fully allows electronic product vendors to deliberately hoard computer equipment and raise prices, which may also be due to NVIDIA's insufficient production capacity/our excessive demand. In short, up to now, our region is still unable to purchase 4090 graphics cards at the official suggested retail price.

yeah greedy people everywhere. As i said if the import tax is low you can buy it directly from usa or any other country. In the past I bought a lenovo tablet from USA because that same model was costing almost double the price in my country. You can look at ebay sometimes good deals can be found there if you are lucky

BUT overall this situation is really shitty thanks to Nvidia and scalpers

This post has been edited by xcaliber9999: Apr 22 2023, 10:28

well you and me both knows those are inflated/scalper prices and not official price.
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yeah greedy people everywhere. As i said if the import tax is low you can buy it directly from usa or any other country. In the past I bought a lenovo tablet from USA because that same model was costing almost double the price in my country. You can look at ebay sometimes good deals can be found there if you are lucky

BUT overall this situation is really shitty thanks to Nvidia and scalpers

As a consumer, the only choice is to resolutely not buy the graphics card until the original price is reduced.

pcpartpicker lists 4090 prices right now as being anywhere from $1595 to $2557. So not as expensive as $3k+, but still pretty damn pricey. It's also worth noting that 40 series cards in general haven't been selling very well, to the point where some retailers are starting to put them on discount or are bundling them with $100 steam gift cards. So I think the prices have to come down at some point. If you absolutely need a card right now and can't wait, maybe it's worth considering cheaper alternatives and/or buying used.

well you and me both knows those are inflated/scalper prices and not official price.

BUT overall this situation is really shitty thanks to Nvidia and scalpers

Its definitely Nvidia's fault. Its not the scalpers its the board partner pricing through official channels. Here Nvidia only releases an extremely limited number of reference cards at RRP so they can legally advertise that price.

Through official channels the prices for board partner cards are usually way higher these days. Some of the board partners were caught selling through ebay pretending to be scalpers or resellers but now just jack the price up.

EVGA was the only board partner that sold cards near RRP here and they are gone.


Theoretically the market will eventually return to normal maybe? If people keep paying the inflated prices there will be no incentive for the price to normalize though.

Its definitely Nvidia's fault. Its not the scalpers its the board partner pricing through official channels. Here Nvidia only releases an extremely limited number of reference cards at RRP so they can legally advertise that price.

Through official channels the prices for board partner cards are usually way higher these days. Some of the board partners were caught selling through ebay pretending to be scalpers or resellers but now just jack the price up.

EVGA was the only board partner that sold cards near RRP here and they are gone.
Theoretically the market will eventually return to normal maybe? If people keep paying the inflated prices there will be no incentive for the price to normalize though.

So,somesone said that:"Fu*K You Nvidia!"

in canada it's available at bustbuy.ca @2099$ for the funder's edition before tax, and seems the demand isn't too high. Note that canadian dollar which is kinda close to the official recommend price. Where did you find that price? Are we at a different parallel universe?

But since they raise the price of first-class GPU for almost 100%, yeah, Fck you NVidia


This post has been edited by Acetominaphene: Apr 23 2023, 21:11

So,somesone said that:"Fu*K You Nvidia!"

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fuck you nvidia! (but also AMD, not like i would ever buy a card of theirs)
Luckily i can play basically anything i want to on my iGPU, i couldn't give a shit about the gpu market. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Do you have friends from the United States of America?
I would like to ask you how the price of Nvidia 40 series graphics card is, and whether there is a crazy price increase like our area.

Because of mining Bitcoin or other virtual currencies, and now using graphics cards to train AI or other reasons, in our area for a period of time, the price of a 4090 graphics card rose to an astonishing $3,199, and there were still people buying it, which caused the price to remain at a constant level. Not high enough.
This makes it almost impossible for us gamers to buy the best gaming graphics card like 4090 at the official recommended price of Nvidia.
And Nvidia's policies, or Jensen Huang's policies, are clearly contributing to this, which makes us hate him.

I am an american, and I think the 40 series is stupidly priced.

But I also spent $150 on my graphics card in 2014 and am still using it, so maybe I have very different expectatons.

fuck you nvidia! (but also AMD, not like i would ever buy a card of theirs)

Linus Torvalds intensifies.
Why not AMD?
AFAICT Intel graphics also requires binary blobs now, so there's not much of a difference there.

Luckily i can play basically anything i want to on my iGPU, i couldn't give a shit about the gpu market. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

My CPU was an i5-3350p when I bought my card; that's one of the CPU's with integrated graphics disabled. So I needed a card.
At that time, Stallman recommended nvidia cards, not because nvidia was being a good team player, but because Nouveau was a totally free driver implementation with no closed source blobs. It worked pretty decently, too, until Nvidia purposely sabotaged it with the later Maxwell cards and up.

I have great respect for your opinions, by the way; I've been getting the vibe that you share a lot of views that I also have about stuff.

This post has been edited by dragontamer8740: Apr 24 2023, 13:24

Make me glad I paid almost 1300 euros for my graphic card in 2019.
Seems like prices will have to decrease from much higher summits before upgrade become relevant, if older models don't just disappear too fast (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)

in canada it's available at bustbuy.ca @2099$ for the funder's edition before tax, and seems the demand isn't too high. Note that canadian dollar which is kinda close to the official recommend price. Where did you find that price? Are we at a different parallel universe?

But since they raise the price of first-class GPU for almost 100%, yeah, Fck you NVidia

Are you in mainland China?

I am an american, and I think the 40 series is stupidly priced.

But I also spent $150 on my graphics card in 2014 and am still using it, so maybe I have very different expectatons.
Linus Torvalds intensifies.
Why not AMD?
AFAICT Intel graphics also requires binary blobs now, so there's not much of a difference there.
My CPU was an i5-3350p when I bought my card; that's one of the CPU's with integrated graphics disabled. So I needed a card.
At that time, Stallman recommended nvidia cards, not because nvidia was being a good team player, but because Nouveau was a totally free driver implementation with no closed source blobs. It worked pretty decently, too, until Nvidia purposely sabotaged it with the later Maxwell cards and up.

I have great respect for your opinions, by the way; I've been getting the vibe that you share a lot of views that I also have about stuff.

In fact, from a consumer's point of view, such an expensive graphics card as "90" is not worth the money. Professional renderers will choose professional graphics cards, and they will most likely not choose top-of-the-line home graphics cards (such as 4090) for professional work.
And Nvidia only needs to upgrade the so-called "DLSS technology" to sell it for an additional two hundred dollars. It is hard not to imagine that Huang Renxun is treating us as fools.

In fact, from a consumer's point of view, such an expensive graphics card as "90" is not worth the money. Professional renderers will choose professional graphics cards, and they will most likely not choose top-of-the-line home graphics cards (such as 4090) for professional work.
And Nvidia only needs to upgrade the so-called "DLSS technology" to sell it for an additional two hundred dollars. It is hard not to imagine that Huang Renxun is treating us as fools.

"Dlss3.0" was tested under the early driver. Turning on this function at 4K resolution in most games will cause obvious delay. I really don't know what such a function will be used for. This technology is really worth a lot Pay $100?

Why not AMD?

Mostly because they don't seem to care much about their consumer GPUs, especially with RDNA3.
All their resources (wafers) are dedicated to Ryzen and especially Epyc / the data center segment.

Its still a vital part of the company, they need to keep the APUs up to speed for the console market, but they seem to be just fine with the pricing set by NVIDIA and don't care to compete with them. They are happily undercutting NVIDIA, but at the maximum price and in low quantities.

While the (rasterization) performance is there, for the typical windows user there are of course all those NVIDIA exclusive features that also play a role but as none of them exist on Linux i don't care much.
ROCm works somewhat from what i heard and personally i don't think i ever used CUDA, so whatever.

But instead i'd rather be looking at Intel dGPUs eventually, maybe with their next generation. QuickSync is way superior to VCN (although i have hopes that this might change with the Xilinx acquisition), the pricing is good and hopefully the drivers are/will be good on Linux.

NVIDIA (proprietary) drivers are stable and work well on Linux from my experience but I've had troubles with Vulkan for ages, forcing me to use OpenGL with mpv. When using the Vulkan backend, which is a lot more performant than OpenGL, i can't resize my window or toggle fullscreen because there's a high chance it will freeze up the whole machine.

Anyway, i want them to compete but their current strategy tells me they aren't trying, at the moment at least, that's why i have no incentive to go AMD for now. In the past AMD was horrible on Linux too.

AFAICT Intel graphics also requires binary blobs now, so there's not much of a difference there.

Most definitely. I came to accept that anyway, if i want to use a modern system.

My CPU was an i5-3350p when I bought my card; that's one of the CPU's with integrated graphics disabled. So I needed a card.
At that time, Stallman recommended nvidia cards, not because nvidia was being a good team player, but because Nouveau was a totally free driver implementation with no closed source blobs. It worked pretty decently, too, until Nvidia purposely sabotaged it with the later Maxwell cards and up.

My Kepler card works fairly well with nouveau. I have a 1070 (one gen after Maxwell) as well but i haven't tried that with nouveau.
According to [nouveau.freedesktop.org] https://nouveau.freedesktop.org/FeatureMatrix.html it works now at least.

I have great respect for your opinions, by the way; I've been getting the vibe that you share a lot of views that I also have about stuff.

Yes! We have a lot of common views on software/tech in general. Always good to see that.

check this out dude. [www.newegg.com] https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-geforce-rtx...;quicklink=true

new egg in US, 1699$ and it's the price i'm talking about. again, where did you find that stupid price? 4k USD is almost for one entire desktop

This post has been edited by Acetominaphene: Apr 24 2023, 20:29

check this out dude. [www.newegg.com] https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-geforce-rtx...;quicklink=true

new egg in US, 1699$ and it's the price i'm talking about. again, where did you find that stupid price? 4k USD is almost for one entire desktop

Obviously, only in mainland China will it be so expensive.

Obviously, only in mainland China will it be so expensive.

I don't live in mainland China for dozens of years so I had to check the price on their e-shop platform, but seems the price of 4090 at JD.com is reasonable, most of them are 12999 CNY, some of them may raise one or two thousands, that's close to the price you'll pay in north america after tax (usually +15% for electronics). if you see more than 20k CNY, those are usually for one entire desktop.

you may check the links here. [search.jd.com] https://search.jd.com/Search?keyword=4090&a...42d7a3e68bef460

I still don't understand where did you get that stupid price, maybe on a second-hand platform and got trolled by someone?

p.s. Recent years electronics like SSDs, memories, motherboards video cards they are usually cheaper inside mainland China than the rest of the world. Especially memories and storages. Except for apple products where usually those people rush to a duty-free shop for the cheapest price.

This post has been edited by Acetominaphene: Apr 26 2023, 01:06

Is 4090 essential for 4K 144hz Gaming? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)