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can we know the salvaged flag in somewhere? like in the salvage page or replace the "untradeable" text to "salvaged" in the equip info page. as I may forgot if I have salvage it before, well ignore if it too complex

Everything from Isekai 2022 Season 1 should now be imported and credited on Persistent.

Can I ask about the Meaning of this Sentence?
It means

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If an Equipment is once salvaged in Isekai, it will get the "previously salvaged" Flag. When it is transferred to Persistent, it still has this Flag when new generated.

or

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All the Equipments from Isekai to Persistent will be generated with "previously salvaged" Flag, like soulfusing, no matter they're salvaged in Isekai or not.

It means if you salvage an item on Isekai to get the materials, then buy it back and have it transferred to Persistent, you won't get any materials if you then salvage it on Persistent. Practically, it prevents you from getting two cores from the same equipment.

Everything from Isekai 2022 Season 1 should now be imported and credited on Persistent.
It means if you salvage an item on Isekai to get the materials, then buy it back and have it transferred to Persistent, you won't get any materials if you then salvage it on Persistent. Practically, it prevents you from getting two cores from the same equipment.

Thank you, I understand.

My 2 Legendaries from Isekai 2022 Season 1 are "Nopes".

https://hentaiverse.org/equip/282057598/undefined

https://hentaiverse.org/equip/282057600/undefined

My 2 Legendaries from Isekai 2022 Season 1 are "Nopes".

https://hentaiverse.org/equip/282057598/undefined

https://hentaiverse.org/equip/282057600/undefined

Transfer them from Equipment Inventery into Equipment Storage, then transfer back

This post has been edited by what_is_name: Jun 23 2022, 14:03

can we know the salvaged flag in somewhere? like in the salvage page or replace the "untradeable" text to "salvaged" in the equip info page. as I may forgot if I have salvage it before, well ignore if it too complex

Something, maybe make the soulbound or untradeable text into a darker/lighter red. I am definitely planning to salvage and rebuy equipment just so I can keep my collection.

I'm guessing any market balance at the end of the season will be automatically transfered to persistent along with excess credits right?

Oh yes, the scourge of every trading system ever invented, the constant over/underbid by the minimum allowed fraction of the currency unit.

It's really not. The actual emergent behavior of HVMarket/The Market is pretty unique, and unfavorable.

High spreads promise huge profits, if you can actually manage to buy anything. But to be able to buy anything at a good price, you have to literally camp all day long. When I wrote that complaint, I'd just spent 20 solid minutes in a price-updating war against somebody, without any items actually having been purchased.

First and foremost, for the sake of our mental health, I want it to be impossible to end up in an OCD loop like that against another player. You have fired your three shots per day, you're done, and you don't have to worry about it for another 24 hours. It could even be one update per item per day, with an exception for buying from standing sell offers, if you actually need something.

The first mover in a bid war wouldn't necessarily win, because there would always be other people coming in. Unless somebody offered a standout price, the winners would be more or less random, because you can't predict when items are going to be sold.

Currently, I think most people don't bother to set offers. They try once, decide they'll always lose to one of the one or two OCD campers, and drop out. If everybody had the same chance, there would be more participants, the spreads would be smaller, you could actually buy off the standing sell offers without getting ripped off, and there wouldn't be huge potential profits to fight over. The high spreads turn out to be the result of a system which encourages people not to participate.

Setting up the ground rules so they lead to desirable emergent behavior is critical.

I think a better idea would be to make it enforce minimum bid increments, so that if the current bid is 9000C you'd need to bid at least 1% more (9090C) for it to be accepted. But of course, for items/batches that sell for less than 100C each, that would still be 1C increments.

I like this idea. I've long wished that hvmarket would limit bids to two significant digits, which is a similar idea that also ensures prices are round numbers.

I'm guessing any market balance at the end of the season will be automatically transfered to persistent along with excess credits right?

I didn't write the code for it yet, but yes, market balance and any items left on the market will both be included.

It's really not. The actual emergent behavior of HVMarket/The Market is pretty unique, and unfavorable.

It's a problem with every trading interface I have ever used anyway. The Market has little liquidity right now so the spread is large, but I expect that to close over time, at least on Persistent when it lands there.

High spreads promise huge profits, if you can actually manage to buy anything. But to be able to buy anything at a good price, you have to literally camp all day long. When I wrote that complaint, I'd just spent 20 solid minutes in a price-updating war against somebody, without any items actually having been purchased.

First and foremost, for the sake of our mental health, I want it to be impossible to end up in an OCD loop like that against another player. You have fired your three shots per day, you're done, and you don't have to worry about it for another 24 hours. It could even be one update per item per day, with an exception for buying from standing sell offers, if you actually need something.

Yeah, I'll be addressing a few complaints with the Market over the next few days, and this will be one of them. Though I'll almost certainly go with a min increments system rather than a lockout one since it's cleaner, more intuitive and less gameable.

In the market, an average price of an item is incorrect.

It calculates 'Avg' as [sum of Price / sum of Sold (quantity)] now, but it should be [sum of (Price * Sold) / sum of Sold].

In the market, an average price of an item is incorrect.

It calculates 'Avg' as [sum of Price / sum of Sold (quantity)] now, but it should be [sum of (Price * Sold) / sum of Sold].

Hmm. Well technically the average price calculation was correct, but the volume calculation was wrong, so it cascaded. Should be fixed now, thanks.

Hmm. Well technically the average price calculation was correct, but the volume calculation was wrong, so it cascaded. Should be fixed now, thanks.

Still have a bug.
Instead of the volume of the last trade, the price per piece is added to the overall volume.

Still have a bug.
Instead of the volume of the last trade, the price per piece is added to the overall volume.

I checked a couple of items and it looks right to me. "Recent Trades" shows the price per item/batch, this is intentional. If you're thinking of some other value, could you link an item and point at the specific value you think is wrong?

I checked a couple of items and it looks right to me. "Recent Trades" shows the price per item/batch, this is intentional. If you're thinking of some other value, could you link an item and point at the specific value you think is wrong?

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Vol => this is Sold numbers * AVG price right?

It seems correct, right?

But I do see a bug: if you look at the Day, in the top table:
LOW price: correct, HIGH price: correct, but AVG price: wrong? Look at the sales: how can the average be anything other than 450, when 1 is sold for 449 and 308 are sold for 450?

https://hentaiverse.org/isekai/?s=Bazaar&am...mp;itemid=11199

Not sure if this is what sssss2 meant, but could well be

This post has been edited by Noni: Jun 25 2022, 11:10

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Vol => this is Sold numbers * price right?

Not sure if that is what sssss2 meant, but it seems correct, right?

actually it work as avg price = volume / sold
this formula is correct so vol = sold * avg price is right too, but the volume is not correct in your table,

as the Recent Trades, the correct day data in this table is:

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Seller      Buyer       Sold    Price   vol=Sold*Price  
limitway    Noni        25      450 C   11250
limitway    Xeda        10      450 C   4500            
limitway    szuhra      20      450 C   9000            
limitway    rjgc        200     450 C   90000            
limitway    EEPgh0st    13      450 C   5850            
limitway    orio2       40      450 C   18000            
jaculuss    pc12345678  1       449 C   449            
day sold = sum(sold) = 309
day vol  = sum(vol)  = 139049
day avg  = day vol / day sold = 449.9967638

so the sum volume is wrong and therefor the avg is wrong too, as you can see the avg price is even lower than lowest price

But I do see a bug: if you look at the Day, in the top table:
LOW price: correct, HIGH price: correct, but AVG price: wrong? Look at the sales: how can the average be anything other than 450, when 1 is sold for 449 and 308 are sold for 450?

actually it work as avg price = volume / sold
this formula is correct so vol = sold * avg price is right too, but the volume is not correct in your table,
so the sum volume is wrong and therefor the avg is wrong too, as you can see the avg price is even lower than lowest price

Right, I see the bug, thanks. I'll push the fix with the rest of the changes when they are done. Should be fixed now but you might see the old value for up to an hour or until there is an action on the item.

Pushed an update with some additions and refinements to the market:

- Added a new Trade Log system that allows you to stalk view the last 1000 trades for both items and traders. Player and item names can both be clicked to navigate between trade logs. If you navigate to the log for a different item than the one you were originally browsing, it will also link to that item's trading page.

- To undercut existing sell orders or overbid existing buy orders, you must now ask at least 1% less or bid at least 1% more than the current best order. If the spread is less than 1%, you can still add a buy order at the same price as the best sell order, and vice versa.

(Since there are at least two ways you could cooperate with someone to bypass these limits, a rule is also added to the system: Placing orders specifically to help other people bypass the minimum overbid/undercut is not allowed. The system logs all orders even if they aren't filled. Please report this behavior should you encounter it.)

- Due to a combination of the undercutting/overbidding mechanics and the higher transparency from the new trade log, the trading fee on Isekai was dropped to the same as on Persistent (1%). If you spot someone trying to abuse the market to move credits or similar, please report it in this thread.

- Removed the informative-only filter selector readouts from the trading page to de-clutter it a bit.

- Existing sell/buy orders are now highlighted in bold down to the depth you have the balance/stock to buy/fill.

- Any existing sell/buy order you have placed is now shown with italic in the order list (assuming it is within the visible depth).


Let me know if you encounter any issues with these, in particular if you are able to break the undercut/overbid check without involving multiple accounts.

The update for potency and Item world for Isekai seem to be delayed, will it also delay the schedule coming to Persistent (a year later from now?)

The update for potency and Item world for Isekai seem to be delayed, will it also delay the schedule coming to Persistent (a year later from now?)

It's very unlikely that all the changes can make it into one update, and I probably won't push it to Persistent until it's finished, at least unless a lot of people would rather get the new system early at the cost of bits being missing.