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Around those year some special translator appears in Chinese e-hentai community, they get paid from advertisers and add some advertisement in their gallery. This used to make more doujinshi get translated, but things changed in several months.

Some of those translators tend to make some low-quality galleries (bad translation, missing pages... ) with excessive amount of advertisements (usually 5~6 pages), viewers get annoyed by those low-quality galleries and the excessive amount of advertisements can somehow become a waste of server resources.

e.g.

1. https://e-hentai.org/g/2034484/51a0f3036e/?p=1
2. https://e-hentai.org/g/2034482/f3576de94b/
3. https://e-hentai.org/g/2045648/872fc1e96c/?p=1
4. https://e-hentai.org/g/2045584/f52c440838/

Basically they are spamming l:chinese search results to earn money. Should this be recognized as proper usage of e-hentai? Is this allowed?

As long as the adverts are not malicious why would we remove them? If you don't like the adverts, you can always block the uploader in your settings.

https://e-hentai.org/uconfig.php

1. Those advertising pages at the end seem purely optional and harmless as you can just close the viewer after finishing the actual content without reading the advertisements that come after.

2. Then, I think the advertising is the business model that allows those scanlation groups or individuals to operate, so it is likely necessary. While the examples you gave have hostile comments, you must also note that these galleries have been favourited by a lot of people just a day or two after they were published, so there are indeed people who enjoy these "low-quality" galleries.

3. Even if we want to do something, it will be difficult to set up rules for this. We cannot outright ban advertising in galleries because that will hurt good scanlators, and targeting "poorly scanlated" galleries with advertising is highly subjective and not enforceable from experience.

4. In general, I don't think people should complain about optional advertisements in the last few pages when they are enjoying free galleries or not even reading them. I understand your concern and I also loathe ulterior motives, but this does not seem to be a problem that requires intervention. You can just block the uploaders as nasu suggested above to stop seeing their uploads and do your part in cutting their revenue. You can also comment on such galleries to tell other readers to do the same.

If you can prove that someone didn't translate something and they're just putting ads in because they can, you can take that gallery, remove the watermarks and ads and upload it yourself.

I've done this to a particularly obnoxious uploader in the past and I can say that spiteuploading can be very satisfying.

Just make sure that the gallery is legit before you do anything.

If you can prove that someone didn't translate something and they're just putting ads in because they can, you can take that gallery, remove the watermarks and ads and upload it yourself.

I've done this to a particularly obnoxious uploader in the past and I can say that spiteuploading can be very satisfying.

Just make sure that the gallery is legit before you do anything.

We're not really concerned if the adverts are on non-content pages (i.e. they are all at the end of the gallery on separate pages). iirc the galleries you replaced had adverts mixed in with the content?

Either way, as it stands we are not allowing expunging priority 4 uploads if the adverts are at the end of the gallery. (provided they are not malicious/illegal)

Just to clarify a bit there, watermarked and scanmarked galleries are only when the marks cover the work, not added as separate pages at the end.

iirc the galleries you replaced had adverts mixed in with the content?

Yeah they were absolutely obnoxious.

That's why I bolded and underlined the last bit of my post.

thank you for your reply. I saw your discussion.
I posted a similar post today and was directed here.
https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showtopic=252188
Indeed, the implementation is problematic because it is impossible to distinguish the essential difference between the advertisement and the recruitment page of some spontaneous translators.
Just one thing to point out is that those advertising pages are not "harmless".
Advertising is an advanced fee model, but it is not a good translation model.
Earlier, the composition of a translated work with advertisements was such that the gallery's translation costs were borne by the sponsor, and the advertisers paid for the translators to add advertisements in the gallery.
At this time, if the translation quality is not good, the sponsor will be angry and the translator will not receive the money. The quality of the work is guaranteed.
Now, the cost of translation is borne by the advertiser. Advertisers do not care about the quality of the work. At this time, the quality of translation can only depend on the conscious of the translator.
They also often publish translations of some popular artists' works. After they translated, some people who were originally prepared to translate also gave up.
In the end, everyone can only see low-quality galleries. This is very uncomfortable.
Some people like these low-quality galleries simply because they only need the translated text to be meaningful. Even if it deviates from the original text.
These people don't care about anything else. They didn't in the past, they don't now, and they won't be in the future.
In the same way, machine translation like Google Translate can be used as a translation with a little polish, then I can also go to the translation gallery. But this should not be used as a routine method.
In fact, the most important thing is that the impact of this advertisement, such as poor translation quality, has been reduced due to our protest.
But as long as the advertisement exists for one day, the similar situation may happen again.

I understand your difficulties and understand that you cannot formulate corresponding rules. We can only continue to protest this part of the matter.
It’s just a pity that this won’t work because the translators hired by the advertisers don’t care about the comments.
Hope my comment won't bore you

The quality of the translation or who commissions the translation in whichever way isn't really a concern. Any translation is better than no translation.

We can't expunge galleries that are improved by removing advertisements, so there's nothing that can be ruled there.
We won't expunge translations that also contain advertisements, because content is better than no content.

Obviously, you can let us know if an advertisement is malicious, aka leads to a phishing, scam, or illegal site, but just normal advertising at this moment in time doesn't count as core content, but doesn't make a gallery expungable.

您好，在长时间观察中，我重新注意到一件事。
投放广告，本质上是在用作者的作品去赚钱。
这些广告通向广告商本人的店铺，出售色情玩具或者付费色情视频。不是为了分享，而是为了赚钱。
其实就是用作者本人的作品来宣传自己的产品，相当于传播盗版漫画盈利。
我们应该做错更多事吗？
在我们很多人心中，EH 网站是个交流与分享的地方。
如果放任这些广告，同时意味着我们帮助了广告商用作者的作品挣钱。
我知道执行是困难的。我只是想知道你们对这种事情的态度。


实际上，有个作者搜索到了自己带了广告的中文作品。当然，类似事情并不罕见。
这个作者似乎没有很生气。
但是，如果其他作者看到自己的作品被翻译出来是为了赚钱，而不是仅仅出于热爱。
他们会怎么想呢？他们会怎么做？
涉及的作品
https://e-hentai.org/g/1801321/388050c2f2/
作者推特：
[twitter.com] https://twitter.com/chahaharn/status/1453099079387402241

The following is Google Translate
Hello, after a long period of observation, I noticed one more thing.
Advertising is essentially using the author's work to make money.
These ads lead to the advertiser's own shop, selling pornographic toys or paid pornographic videos. Not for sharing, but for making money.
In fact, it is to use the author's own work to promote his products, which is equivalent to spreading pirated comics for profit.
Should we do more wrong?
In the hearts of many of us, the EH website is a place for communication and sharing.
If these advertisements are left unchecked, it also means that we have helped advertisers make money from the author’s work.
I know that implementation is difficult. I just want to know your attitude towards this kind of thing.


In fact, an author searched for a Chinese work with his own advertisement. Of course, similar things are not uncommon.
The author doesn't seem to be very angry.
However, if other authors see their work being translated, it is to make money, not just out of love.
What would they think? What will they do?
Works involved
https://e-hentai.org/g/1801321/388050c2f2/
Author's Twitter
[twitter.com] https://twitter.com/chahaharn/status/1453099079387402241

Hope my comment won't bore you

This post has been edited by PrincessKaguya: Nov 11 2021, 13:10

However, if other authors see their work being translated, it is to make money, not just out of love.
What would they think? What will they do?

If people are unwilling to purchase the original work, I do not know how much money the scanlation groups will make.

If the ad is separate and at the end of the images, you can easily delete them when you download them.

我不是很清楚你的实际意思是什么？不是扫描者，是翻译的人。
有人把扫描后的原件，翻译成其他语言并在后面加上了广告。一个广告通向出售付费东西的网站。
不是关于这些翻译的人能挣多少的问题。
翻译人员通过传播作者的作品赚钱是被允许的吗？
我们来这里都是出于热爱，但是没有很多钱。购买正版是被鼓励的，如果你有足够的钱。
但是，如果翻译者翻译了作者的作品，还通过传播盗版获利。
本来传播盗版作者就赚不到一分钱，还用盗版漫画赚钱。
这是不是有点，做的太过分了？

I am not very clear what you actually mean? Not the scanner, but the translator.
Someone translated the scanned originals into other languages and added advertisements at the back. An advertisement leads to a website that sells paid stuff.
It is not a question of how much these translators can earn.
Are translators allowed to make money by disseminating the author's work?
We come here out of love, but we don't have a lot of money. Buying genuine copies is encouraged if you have enough money.
However, if the translator translates the author's work, he also profits by spreading piracy.
Originally, authors who spread pirated copies made less than a cent, and even made money from pirated comics.
Is this a bit too much?

TL;DR: Allowed. We are not against people making money. And content is content.

Especially not against people making money due to white knighting some best-for-all-because-i-think-so ideology.

If someone advertises malicious content (e.g. links to child pornography or malicious websites) we will take it down. Please do report those.

Bear in mind that you can always ignore uploaders that you don't fancy (by adding them to your excluded uploaders list). Knowing how to ignore Internet nonsense would generally save you from a lot of unnecessary headaches.

现在大多数人在意的其实不是广告的问题，因为广告在最后反而没什么影响
主要是翻译质量低过头了
真的太低了

Please try to use English.
Bad translations are better than no translations, and it'd be too subjective to judge either way.

Bear in mind that you can always ignore uploaders that you don't fancy (by adding them to your excluded uploaders list). Knowing how to ignore Internet nonsense would generally save you from a lot of unnecessary headaches.

I think this threads ran its course now, so
/thread