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Something stuck in the market? Over the last few days, I've bought a bunch of stuff and sold a few items (1 Energy Drink and 2 Bindings of Slaughter). The items I bought were delivered, but I haven't received the payout from the items I sold.

Thank you for all you do with the market!

(edited for clarity)

This post has been edited by Nobody9329587149: Aug 20 2021, 05:40

Something stuck in the market? Over the last few days, I've bought a bunch of stuff and sold a few items (1 Energy Drink and 2 Bindings of Slaughter). The items I bought were delivered, but I haven't received the payout from the items I sold.

Thank you for all you do with the market!

(edited for clarity)

The payout are automatically once a week, around Sunday I think...
But you could also take your payment directly from Account > Claim...

This post has been edited by Greshnik: Aug 20 2021, 06:06

Resellers have really soured the market for me. I can't put a buy order without constantly getting undercut every single time. I'm going to avoid the market for as long as they are active. I'd rather not deal with them. If the seller name is listed I would purposely avoid them.

Hi, I'm new to the market and get myself in a problem:

I accidentally hit recall button, so all my stuffs got MM back to me. But instead of claiming the items from MM, I hit resend mail button because I thought it would send my things back to my HVMarket page. But apparantly they never arrived. So I guess my things is still in the HVMarket MM. I would like to ask for help in this one. Thank you very much.

Resellers have really soured the market for me. I can't put a buy order without constantly getting undercut every single time. I'm going to avoid the market for as long as they are active. I'd rather not deal with them. If the seller name is listed I would purposely avoid them.

You're supposed to go up by more so they don't want to overcut you by 1c any more.

But since nobody wants to pay any more than they possibly have to, instead it turns into incessant looping.

Remember, they aren't mentally ill losers with no life, no job, no sense of the value of their time, and OCD, performing a completely brainless task... they're working hard.

* Contrary to the lived experience of anyone who has actually gone up against them.

This post has been edited by Necromusume: Aug 20 2021, 14:13

Hi, I'm new to the market and get myself in a problem:

I accidentally hit recall button, so all my stuffs got MM back to me. But instead of claiming the items from MM, I hit resend mail button because I thought it would send my things back to my HVMarket page. But apparantly they never arrived. So I guess my things is still in the HVMarket MM. I would like to ask for help in this one. Thank you very much.

Due to some inconveniences of the MoogleMail system, no, if you return a recall the items just get 'confiscated', because it's harder to detect who they're from (would have to parse the message body for the username, which would open up potential issues with usernames that have overlaps with the normal text).

I manually returned them to you. It's a real pain in the ass to do that for so many items, so please bear that in mind in future and don't do it again.

Due to some inconveniences of the MoogleMail system, no, if you return a recall the items just get 'confiscated', because it's harder to detect who they're from (would have to parse the message body for the username, which would open up potential issues with usernames that have overlaps with the normal text).

I manually returned them to you. It's a real pain in the ass to do that for so many items, so please bear that in mind in future and don't do it again.

Thank you very much sir, won't happen again.

You're supposed to go up by more so they don't want to overcut you by 1c any more.

But since nobody wants to pay any more than they possibly have to, instead it turns into incessant looping.

Remember, they aren't mentally ill losers with no life, no job, no sense of the value of their time, and OCD, performing a completely brainless task... they're working hard.

* Contrary to the lived experience of anyone who has actually gone up against them.

I would pay more to avoid resellers. If the seller name is listed with the item. I would avoid buying from them even if I had to pay more. Its irrelevant anyway I'm going to stop using the market. I'll doubt I'll have much of an impact but I really dislike giving extra credits to greedy people.

The payout are automatically once a week, around Sunday I think...
But you could also take your payment directly from Account > Claim...

Ah! Thank you. It must have been odd quirks of timing in the past when I sold and got payout in a few hours so I didn't notice.

I would pay more to avoid resellers. If the seller name is listed with the item. I would avoid buying from them even if I had to pay more. Its irrelevant anyway I'm going to stop using the market. I'll doubt I'll have much of an impact but I really dislike giving extra credits to greedy people.

You can do it, if you want.
Instead of placing a buying order, you browse all the sellers there are for a specific item, and then you can choose from whom you want to buy that item (at his listed price, ofc, which could be a bit higher then the current minimum).

The little shit is not looking for a good deal per se. He goes through my shop specifically looking for the items I'm selling and then tries to block me on those. He needs to be stomped into the dirt. I encourage everyone to stop selling to the buy offers entirely until he's gone. Just list on the sell side at a high enough price and wait; then resellers can't make money off of you.

This post has been edited by Necromusume: Aug 21 2021, 11:27

hello!
i got an idea, how about Compact "Translation"?
like Front Page -> FP, Player Search -> PS, Toplists -> Top and etc
and maybe some words -> html symbols

There should be a way to set a global buy limit on the server.

If people are only buying for themselves, it's not so much of an issue. But if buying for resale is an intended feature, then you're going to have open buys on multiple items and you want to take items as they come in up until a global limit is reached. You should be able to set x million credits somewhere and the server will tick it down as items are sold, and not go over it. When you're ready to buy more, you turn it up again.

Individual items limits aren't good enough for resellers. You either miss out on dumps or get swamped.

Also, each item should have a checkbox to select whether you want to take delivery or put it in your shop. 90% of the work is moogling items back, and it can be completely eliminated.

This post has been edited by Necromusume: Sep 5 2021, 17:42

But if buying for resale is an intended feature, then ...

I doubt very much that it is an "intended feature".

It looks more like an unintended side-effect to me, judging from past Nezu's posts, that is just difficult enough to handle automatically that he just can't be bothered enough to spend more time to try to code some probably ineffective "solution".

I doubt very much that it is an "intended feature".

It looks more like an unintended side-effect to me, judging from past Nezu's posts, that is just difficult enough to handle automatically that he just can't be bothered enough to spend more time to try to code some probably ineffective "solution".

As a quick patch it could be block ability to have buy and sell orders simultaneously for same item.
I mean, it is common sense that if you selling - you don't need item, why would you wanna buy it at the same time? This feature seems just for resellers only.

It is intended, he said so when we were arguing about it.

The capacity for arbitrage on HVMarket is not a bug, it's intended behaviour.

HV has a very small userbase. Prices are often set by the consensus of a handful of suppliers who can be bothered to run shops, and historically, everyone's gone along with that, without it reflecting any sense of supply and demand. We reached a point where you basically couldn't buy fox/owl/cheetah/protection bindings for a while because they were priced at about half of what the market would actually bear, and yet Bindings of Slaughter hovered around 90k despite the supply exceeding the demand enough that they've now dropped quite significantly to less than 60k.

The reason why I make this point is that our overall volume of trades is also very low, and for some goods, not even close to enough to reflect the actual state of the market. There can be entire weeks where there's no genuine demand for some goods. Resellers fill the gap between sellers trying to make a quick sale, and buyers that won't exist for some time yet. Everyone has equal opportunity to resell like this and part of the reason why HVMarket now uses an anonymized exchange interface is to remove the resale stigma.

In practice, it's equal opportunity in the same sense a war is equal opportunity.

I mean, it is common sense that if you selling - you don't need item, why would you wanna buy it at the same time?

It's basic economics. I would be a buyer at <lower price>, and I would be a seller at <higher price>.

Which do you need more -- the item, or the money? It depends on the price.

I don't know if this has been asked but I'm curious: How does HVMarket deal with non integral credits?
E.g, if I buy a single crystal from someone with 1.3c, how much do I pay? 2c? And how much does the seller get? 1c? What happens to the difference?
And if I buy another one from another seller, do I pay another 2c? So I will pay 4c for something that's worth 2.6c?

Of course it's not a big problem since nobody would buy one crystal at a time, and it's negligible if you buy a large amount. But after millions of transactions it will accumulate, and I wonder where does the credits go.

I think it would make sense if the balance can also be fractional, so if I pay 2c for a 1.3c item, I will add 0.7c to my balance, so it will keep track of the fractional credits and return them back to me. But the balance always shows an integer, so I guess it's not how it works? Or is it always there but not shown?

This post has been edited by jy-laji: Sep 6 2021, 02:15

I don't know if this has been asked but I'm curious: How does HVMarket deal with non integral credits?
E.g, if I buy a single crystal from someone with 1.3c, how much do I pay? 2c? And how much does the seller get? 1c? What happens to the difference?
And if I buy another one from another seller, do I pay another 2c? So I will pay 4c for something that's worth 2.6c?

Of course it's not a big problem since nobody would buy one crystal at a time, and it's negligible if you buy a large amount. But after millions of transactions it will accumulate, and I wonder where does the credits go.

I think it would make sense if the balance can also be fractional, so if I pay 2c for a 1.3c item, I will add 0.7c to my balance, so it will keep track of the fractional credits and return them back to me. But the balance always shows an integer, so I guess it's not how it works? Or is it always there but not shown?

It is even more curious:

AFAIK the lowest possible CoD for MM is 10c...
So if you buy less than 10c you'll always pay 10c due to MM limitation...

AFAIK the lowest possible CoD for MM is 10c...
So if you buy less than 10c you'll always pay 10c due to MM limitation...

Good point.

I think in this case seller got 2c and 8c was confiscated. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)