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@Nezu, it's possible to have a bid price and asking price at same time? (for the same item)

Should be, yes.

A "Kaijuu ate" all Coruscating Catalyst from Nezumi's Walmart. Someone resell them please. ( *^*人 )

I'm missclicking recall my item from hvmarket
I received the mail
Return them again
Checking my hvmarket
It's not in there
Try refresh for a couple minute
Still not back
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I don't know if it's approriate to post it in here
Only this have hvmarket thread soo


This post has been edited by 00XxZEROxX00: Jun 2 2021, 18:16

I'm missclicking recall my item from hvmarket
I received the mail
Return them again
Checking my hvmarket
It's not in there
Try refresh for a couple minute
Still not back
Now item lost for good
~Sad (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

I don't know if it's approriate to post it in here
Only this have hvmarket thread soo

Did you check if the item was removed from your mooglemail?

Was it the 3 precursor artifacts that sold earlier today?

I'm missclicking recall my item from hvmarket
I received the mail
Return them again
Checking my hvmarket
It's not in there
Try refresh for a couple minute
Still not back
Now item lost for good
~Sad (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

I don't know if it's approriate to post it in here
Only this have hvmarket thread soo

I manually sent your items to you again. Please be careful in future. Returned recalls are ignored by the server.

Yeah i have learnt my lessions
Big thanks

I put in a buy order for 100 infusions of frost @ 101c. 6 sell to me, then they start going to Bolide at 100c again even though my bid is still there at 101. Is something wonky internally?

I put in a buy order for 100 infusions of frost @ 101c. 6 sell to me, then they start going to Bolide at 100c again even though my bid is still there at 101. Is something wonky internally?

Well, there's a display bug there - the sales history on the item exchange pages is ordered by time paid, but it should be time ordered (like the rest of the site).

But what you're describing is not actually happening, no, those were just items Bolide hadn't paid for yet. Check the [hvmarket.xyz] item logs to see completed orders sorted by order time.

Oh, that makes sense, thanks.

There is a user named Xeda who used to do arbitrage from the auction to HVMarket. Now that mat stacks in the auction usually go for market price or above, they've moved to HVMarket -> HVMarket arbitrage, and it seems that they're making good money at it. #2 on the Top Earners Last 30 days, #8 on the Top Spenders, for a difference of +32.6 million credits. Little other evident income; they're at #610 on Hentai @ Home past month and not in the top 1000 for past year; level 387, so the amount of grinding they can have done is also limited, yet the scale of their operations on HVMarket has been expanding dramatically.

I spent quite some time bid warring with them the other day, and I don't think it's a bot yet; the behavior was not algorithmic enough. But a bot would be much more efficient, and it's evident that someone running a buy-sell bot on HVMarket could pull down possibly tens of millions of credits per month.

So, is running a bot to compete with them allowed? Are there going to be any checks to prevent it, like a random chance of riddlemasters on price adjustments?

In principle, arbitrage can be useful. It reduces the buy-sell spread, so people who want to sell now or buy now can get a higher or lower price respectively. But there need to be multiple competing arbitrageurs or they can make ridiculous amounts of money for very little work.

As soon as there are two people trying it, it's necessary to constantly (meat)-bot the exchange in order to compete. You have to continually move your price 1c above the other account in order to be able to buy while still maximizing profits, and move down when they move down. This is where a bot would excel.

A built-in HVMarket bot would reduce the rewards for running an external bot. You could set a minimum and maximum offer price. If there are no other bidders, it bids your specified minimum, since nobody would sell to a 1c offer, else it bids 1c above the second-highest offer up to your max, and automatically moves down when they move down. But it would never have every possible competitively useful feature, so there would still be an incentive to run a better one. For example, someone wants to troll-bid you with a buy offer for 1 unit 1c below your maximum, to force you to pay max price. You'd want to be able to set an ignore threshold of x units; your offer would move up only if the offers above it totalled at least x units. Any features like that which weren't implemented yet in the internal bot would give avantage to external bots.

In the real world, exchanges don't worry about it, and let trading houses write their own bots for program trading, and competition keeps the profits sensible. How do we want to do it here?

So, is running a bot to compete with them allowed?

No.

Are there going to be any checks to prevent it, like a random chance of riddlemasters on price adjustments?

Nothing you'll know about from the outside.

A built-in HVMarket bot would reduce the rewards for running an external bot. You could set a minimum and maximum offer price.

The exchange interface effectively already performs this function by allowing you to bid your true maximum and sell at your true minimum from the start. I'm not going to put in auto-undercut controls.

In the real world, exchanges don't worry about it, and let trading houses write their own bots for program trading, and competition keeps the profits sensible. How do we want to do it here?

The real world is not a good comparison with the HentaiVerse.

What about something that periodically reloads the page to check if you've been outbid and alerts you when you need to manually input an adjustment? Note that it's currently possible to do such monitoring without being logged in.

The exchange interface effectively already performs this function by allowing you to bid your true maximum and sell at your true minimum from the start.

If proxy bidding in auctions worked like that, nobody would use it. You're not going to bid your true maximum unless you have to.

What about something that periodically reloads the page to check if you've been outbid and alerts you when you need to manually input an adjustment? Note that it's currently possible to do such monitoring without being logged in.

There are a few people doing various types of automated scraping, so something similar to that would probably be fine, but it's at your own risk of getting banned if it results in behaviour that looks too bot-like.

If proxy bidding in auctions worked like that, nobody would use it. You're not going to bid your true maximum unless you have to.

Good thing it's not an auction then, I guess.

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I investigated and found a bug where orders made by people who hadn't updated their usernames after changing weren't being cancelled properly. The bug has been fixed now.

Fortunately this only happened with two players so far. I've returned stock to the affected players.

kiriyamaai: 10 Repurposed Actuator
Necromusume: 10 energy drink, 272 mid-grade metals
keinless: 861 mid-grade metals
madaosan: 111 mid-grade metals

The real world is not a good comparison with the HentaiVerse.

That's true, but I still think that what Necromusume said is a good point.

IMO Tenboro doesn't want for someone to win a great amount of credits for very little work like this.
I think you should ask his opinion first and if he doesn't allow, notify Xeda and update the market's rules. (or something else)

That's true, but I still think that what Necromusume said is a good point.

IMO Tenboro doesn't want for someone to win a great amount of credits for very little work like this.
I think you should ask his opinion first and if he doesn't allow, notify Xeda and update the market's rules. (or something else)

Tenboro won't interfere with player trade based on vague notions of how much effort someone should have to put in to earn an amount of credits except where it violates game rules.

Tenboro won't interfere with player trade based on vague notions of how much effort someone should have to put in to earn an amount of credits except where it violates game rules.

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On the Manage Prices page, can you have it list the buy orders & sell orders in the same order as is used on the top page? And implement price memory for buy orders? That would make it easier to track large numbers of buy/sell orders.

Since nobody in the administration cares, I guess the way to keep the git cock-blocked is to maintain buy orders at low enough under the current sell price that the spread isn't enough to interest him, and continually re-sell them yourself. At least I'm making him work now; he's having to sit there & check & check. Feel free to all jump in on him.

This post has been edited by Necromusume: Jun 11 2021, 15:30

On the Manage Prices page, can you have it list the buy orders & sell orders in the same order as is used on the top page? And implement price memory for buy orders? That would make it easier to track large numbers of buy/sell orders.

I don't have any interest in continuing non-trivial HVMarket development excepting bugs at this time, but you can probably write a userscript to handle price memory for buy orders. Not sure what pages you're talking about with regards to sorting.