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HVMarket will be briefly unavailable for an update shortly. It will probably not take long.

And the new one have some intersting features, Quick Buy shine the most.

Nice work, really.

EDIT: There are two thing that i think can be better if made as before the update.

Now the name of some items are not ful lshowing but trailed with suspension points like "Binding of the Ear...", it was better having the full name.

Lastly the item without price are not colored anymore, before it was extremely more easy to spot an item without a price.

This post has been edited by Maharid: Sep 6 2020, 04:04

HVMarket Update 3

A lot of things changed this time so it might be useful to read these patch notes.

Please also read my note at the end about language support.

• Tax removed
  - HVMarket was not supported by enough major sellers, and many continue to send materials to Super's auctions instead.
• Public access
  - You no longer need an account to browse the majority of pages (though you can't buy anything without logging in).
• Automated registration
  - New users can now register automatically (see 'register' page for details).
• Automated username changes
  - If you change your username, you can now change it on HVMarket (see control panel -> change username for details).
• Themes
  - Logged in users can now access Theme Settings in the Control Panel. Change between HV colours, light mode, dark mode, or 'English Sky' (greyish blue mode).
• Search change
  - Search has been split into 'Item Search' and 'Shop Search' (for searching players). Item Search now only shows the closest match to your search term.
• Quick buy
  - There is now an exchange-like interface for buying items on the Item Search page, if you don't care about who you buy from. Unlike the exchange, this is only a one-time purchase - it doesn't set up a buy order like the Item Shop Bot. I will not add that, so don't ask.
  - You can also Quick Buy from the Item List by clicking the arrow to the left of the item name to display the hidden Quick Buy rows.
  - I originally wanted to do this with Javascript, but updating all the information on the page was a pain in the ass. This doesn't matter much on the Item Search page, but unfortunately, it means it'll reload the Item List every time you buy something, rather than staying in place.
  - I expect people to write scripts to use this feature to quickly buy their usual desires (trophies especially). It should be fine - just raise prices until they no longer want to instantly buy. If it is clearly being abused, I will write harsher protection mechanisms, no warnings will be issued before a permanent ban.
• More data
  - Search page now shows price information (based on current items) and historical data (based on past sales).
  - 'Market Data' section shows all transaction history, player sales, player buys, and individual item sales history.
  - Toplists now show the top 25 earners and spenders by credits spent, and items by total sale value.
• Better data
  - The 'Listed Avg' on the Item List page is now weighted by the stock for each item, so it should be much more accurate.
• Blacklists removed
  - They were almost completely unused, and it let me tidy up a lot of code. This makes searching slightly faster, and also makes it easier to maintain & update, reducing the risk of bugs.
• Help page
  - The footer for every page has a link to a 'Help' page which contains answers to obvious questions.

Request for translators

I restructured the project to make it easier to offer session-based language support in future. I am looking for translators for Chinese, Korean, Japanese and Russian editions of the site. I am also willing to support multiple forms of the Chinese language, if that's desired. I'm not offering a bounty for this, but it would be highly beneficial to HV's foreign-language communities.

Please consult the attached text file to see a list of words and sentences that need to be translated. If you want to do this, please add the translations as new lines underneath each word, phrase or sentence, then send me the script. It would help a lot if you are familiar with how HVMarket works, so you can be sure you understand the correct context for the translation.

 script.txt ( 4.88k ) Number of downloads: 29


This post has been edited by lestion: Sep 16 2020, 20:34

(Note that the registration form might be temporarily acting strangely - if it rejects a valid verification code, it's because they're stored in server memory and I'm restarting it while fixing minor bugs.)

I think public access will help a lot, and no tax for a while is nice.

Other suggestions (I have no ulterior motive except that I can't keep my mouth shut when the idea enters my head): if you tax at 1% it might be seen as negligable, and you might actually make more profit than when tax was 5%. Hath exchange has a 1% tax for comparison.

Also, although there are pros and cons to either way, you might reconsider the approach to taxing buyers rather than sellers, as different sorts of problems arise.

Removing tax can actually create certain problems, which seems to be going on lately with Super's auctions. I personally prefer to get materials through WTB if possible, as material bidding on auctions can be pretty messed up sometimes.

I think public access will help a lot, and no tax for a while is nice.

Other suggestions (I have no ulterior motive except that I can't keep my mouth shut when the idea enters my head): if you tax at 1% it might be seen as negligable, and you might actually make more profit than when tax was 5%. Hath exchange has a 1% tax for comparison.

Also, although there are pros and cons to either way, you might reconsider the approach to taxing buyers rather than sellers, as different sorts of problems arise.

Removing tax can actually create certain problems, which seems to be going on lately with Super's auctions. I personally prefer to get materials through WTB if possible, as material bidding on auctions can be pretty messed up sometimes.

I considered the 1% tax. I absolutely would not make more - Super's auction is a fairly good estimate of how much reliably sells per week. If the entirety of that traffic converted to HVMarket, it would be a little more than double. (For some reason, Super's traffic did not change when HVMarket went up, even though the transaction totals matched what passes through the auctions.) I'm not actually interested in making that little. It's depressing.

I agree that removing the tax can cause problems. I anticipate a bunch of issues with it, but at this point I don't really care as much. I was kind of fed up of hearing people asking me to remove it, and HVMarket doesn't work at all if people aren't selling their goods. Right now it mostly caters to two types of people: newbies looking for melee goods, and extremely rich people who make occasional stops to buy absolutely everything of value at very high prices.

The latter type can limit availability of valuable goods because there's not a steady supply of anything. This is the primary reason we've seen bindings of the fox/owl almost triple in price.

This post has been edited by lestion: Sep 6 2020, 06:02

Wow, excellent update! You did a great job here, lestion. I know I was bitching about the tax before, but mainly about it not showing beforehand - I don't mind a small tax. But now we have tax free shopping, always fun.

I'll keep sending the good stuff to market for sure!

There will be player that will not use HVMarket and continue using Auction, no matter what.

I think is more a preference in mindset than anything else, like, i think there are people that like HVMarket because you can immediatly see and buy items without delay and without any real human iteraction, even if in HVMarket they will end to pay more.

I don't know the total number of item processed on HV but i think that HVMarket will take a chunk of user from Item Shop Bot more than any Auction.

I maybe be mistaken and i'm really curious on how peoples decide where to sell and buy items.

Like, i prefer to buy at less price... but having the items here just a pair of click away made me buy different times from HVMarket disregarding the price.

This post has been edited by Maharid: Sep 6 2020, 12:47

I don't use HVmarket that much, since I don't have lots of items to sell or buy, but it's good to see an update.
The new themes are nice, so is the removed tax, though it didn't bother me much, the help/FAQ is a good addition too. More data showing is also great for more transparency and those who like statistics'n'stuff.

The only change I don't like is the "search one item only". Searching a term like "grade" and get a list of all materials by sellers was great, compared to opening a new tab and searching again for each type. Why did you make that change?

I'll see if I use the Quick buy, but I don't quite understand what you wrote:

Quick buy
- There is now an exchange-like interface for buying items on the Item Search page, if you don't care about who you buy from. Unlike the exchange, this is only a one-time purchase - it doesn't set up a buy order like the Item Shop Bot. I will not add that, so don't ask.

The Item Search interface changed along the Search change, so now it only shows a list of sellers for one specific item. Is that what you mean by "exchange-like interface"?
And there's the added Quick buy option to buy a desired quantity with a desired price, only once "unlike the exchange". The "exchange" term used here is a little confusing, but it is the HV-integrated Item Shop Bot, right? Since you write that you won't add an automated buy thingie.

I don't use HVmarket that much, since I don't have lots of items to sell or buy, but it's good to see an update.
The new themes are nice, so is the removed tax, though it didn't bother me much, the help/FAQ is a good addition too. More data showing is also great for more transparency and those who like statistics'n'stuff.

The only change I don't like is the "search one item only". Searching a term like "grade" and get a list of all materials by sellers was great, compared to opening a new tab and searching again for each type. Why did you make that change?

I'll see if I use the Quick buy, but I don't quite understand what you wrote:

The Item Search interface changed along the Search change, so now it only shows a list of sellers for one specific item. Is that what you mean by "exchange-like interface"?
And there's the added Quick buy option to buy a desired quantity with a desired price, only once "unlike the exchange". The "exchange" term used here is a little confusing, but it is the HV-integrated Item Shop Bot, right? Since you write that you won't add an automated buy thingie.

To explain quickbuy:

You can search for the item (or find it in the item list), and in quick buy, enter the quantity you want to buy, and max bid for the items. HVMarket will purchase, from cheapest (and then oldest if same price) up to your max quantity or until no items are left at your max bid, whichever comes sooner. This is a one time action, it will fulfill as much as the order as it can and send you the items as cod. Edit: The max bid is per item

The exchange like interface is this:


It's exchange like in that it shows you historical data and stock data to inform your decision on quick buying, and lets you enter your max quantity/price similar to the exchange

This post has been edited by Angaver: Sep 6 2020, 17:26

I don't use HVmarket that much, since I don't have lots of items to sell or buy, but it's good to see an update.
The new themes are nice, so is the removed tax, though it didn't bother me much, the help/FAQ is a good addition too. More data showing is also great for more transparency and those who like statistics'n'stuff.

The only change I don't like is the "search one item only". Searching a term like "grade" and get a list of all materials by sellers was great, compared to opening a new tab and searching again for each type. Why did you make that change?

I'll see if I use the Quick buy, but I don't quite understand what you wrote:

The Item Search interface changed along the Search change, so now it only shows a list of sellers for one specific item. Is that what you mean by "exchange-like interface"?
And there's the added Quick buy option to buy a desired quantity with a desired price, only once "unlike the exchange". The "exchange" term used here is a little confusing, but it is the HV-integrated Item Shop Bot, right? Since you write that you won't add an automated buy thingie.

Sorry, yes, see Angaver's post: the exchange-like part is the Quick Buy interface itself, and it refers to the Hath/GP exchange. However, unlike the exchange, it doesn't remember your bid, and this is intentional because the Item Shop Bot exists with a 50% tax for a reason.

Oh! Yeah, now that both of you pointed it out to me, I see it's like the Hath/GP exchange pages. Me and my obliviousness sometimes...
Thanks for the clarification on how the Quick buy works!

Searching for "binding" now just returns Binding of the Owl, whereas before it returned all bindings listed per each seller. I prefer the old way, or maybe there could be a way for the searcher to choose.

Searching for "binding" now just returns Binding of the Owl, whereas before it returned all bindings listed per each seller. I prefer the old way, or maybe there could be a way for the searcher to choose.

This is deliberate - quick buy wouldn't really work on an item search displaying multiple item types. How would you know which it was buying for? Would there be a quick buy panel for each item in the search? Would it only be present if there was a single item in the search? The search matches the first item in the database with a name that satisfies the search term, and then uses that item type for quick buy & item statistics.

Personally I preferred the older version way more than this.
This got so oversimplified, so many buttons disappeared (where is the update button? I used to visit my monster lab, mm everything I got to hvmarket, go to the hvm site, push update and then my listings would display the new stuff, now I have to wait for the site to update eventually by itself (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif) ), almost look like a downgrade (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

Positive note: the bs where the search remembers the last item I searched after I exitted the page and then re-entered afterwards is no more, finally I don't have to click on clear and then force an empty search to reset the listing every time... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

This post has been edited by Juggernaut Santa: Sep 7 2020, 01:14

(where is the update button?),

I think the button you are after is the "Click here to check for new MoogleMails" button...

You know, the one it says to press in the help page...

This post has been edited by Angaver: Sep 7 2020, 01:16

I think the button you are after is the "Click here to check for new MoogleMails" button...

Oh.
Now I see it. It's only displayed on one page tho.
Guess I'll have to bookmark my listings instead of home now (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Oh.
Now I see it. It's only displayed on one page tho.
Guess I'll have to bookmark my listings instead of home now (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

That would normally be the place you'd go to when you send in new items, correct? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Thanks, it's a great update. I personally use Item List, not Item Search most of the time since I can just search in the page for what I'm interested in.