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post Aug 30 2017, 14:16
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QUOTE(Benny-boy @ Aug 30 2017, 14:13) *

Not only power, all slaughter - at some point 1H becomes overprotective, so the only thing you would care is damage (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

at his level he may have trouble surviving, with all slaughter. without even counting the lack of offer for those pieces. personally i don't find anything wrong with other suffixes at his stage.

another option may be to mix power slaughter (if he can find them) with his shielding pieces in the transition.
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post Aug 30 2017, 14:19
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QUOTE(Kadokura @ Aug 30 2017, 16:15) *

Ok, then I will go with full Charged. Thank you both for your advice (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Well, I know that for cold mages Redwood of Destruction is the best option but, Is Willow a viable option too?
of course, compared to Redwood, Willow has better counter-resist and deprecating prof., but it also has lower cold damage bonus and elemental prof..

Hmm, I think that I will need some advice here too.
In case I can not find a good LARD, Can I consider LAWD a good alternative or it would be better to go with a Peerless Arctic Redwood Staff of Niflheim?


Willow is for those people seeking the best possible turns/round for cold mage in PFfest (it mainly reduces the no. of imperils). However, this requires commitment in terms of damage (hath perks + infusions + upgrades) because the difference between wind/ele willow and ice willow is roughly an infusion (~25edb).

If you intend to seriously grind PFfest it'd be best to get a pawd if possible. If not, a lawd/lard should do fine (you may ommit elementalist shoes for lard once you hit/are near the proficiency cap).


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post Aug 30 2017, 14:26
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Aug 30 2017, 15:16) *

at his level he may have trouble surviving, with all slaughter. without even counting the lack of offer for those pieces. personally i don't find anything wrong with other suffixes at his stage.

another option may be to mix power slaughter (if he can find them) with his shielding pieces in the transition.


Well, I did say "you should try it because that's how it works after some point", I have no way to know how things will work at his lvl now, maybe he should be playing 2H or Niten, who knows? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)
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post Aug 30 2017, 14:36
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QUOTE(Benny-boy @ Aug 30 2017, 14:26) *

Well, I did say "you should try it because that's how it works after some point", I have no way to know how things will work at his lvl now, maybe he should be playing 2H or Niten, who knows? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

no, at his level 1H is a safe bet. finding proper materials may not be so easy though, so he won't have to be too picky for a while. luckily 1H can work with pretty much anything

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post Aug 30 2017, 15:03
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QUOTE(cirrux @ Aug 30 2017, 14:19) *

Willow is for those people seeking the best possible turns/round for cold mage in PFfest (it mainly reduces the no. of imperils). However, this requires commitment in terms of damage (hath perks + infusions + upgrades) because the difference between wind/ele willow and ice willow is roughly an infusion (~25edb).

If you intend to seriously grind PFfest it'd be best to get a pawd if possible. If not, a lawd/lard should do fine (you may ommit elementalist shoes for lard once you hit/are near the proficiency cap).
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Serious PFfests Grinding works with a strong Lard too.
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post Aug 30 2017, 17:04
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...OK, to prepare for mage, what equips should I start gathering?

Now staffs I have are this and this. I don't think they come with suffixes though.
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post Aug 30 2017, 17:04
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Hello! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I wanted to ask, at what level range is it recommended to use full Shade in DW ?. Also, from the +300 level it is still advisable to use DW?
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post Aug 30 2017, 17:09
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QUOTE(buimon @ Aug 30 2017, 17:04) *

...OK, to prepare for mage, what equips should I start gathering?

Now staffs I have are this and this. I don't think they come with suffixes though.

which style?

QUOTE(rokyroky @ Aug 30 2017, 17:04) *

I wanted to ask, at what level range is it recommended to use full Shade in DW?

you may start to switch now, just don't expect high difficulties at the start. but by lv... uh... 320~350? you may be able to do PF arenas

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Also, from the +300 level it is still advisable to use DW?

what do you exactly mean? if it's still a good style? answer is yes.
if it's the best style available? nope. you may want to give 1H a try.
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post Aug 30 2017, 17:36
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Oh great! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) . For now my max is IWTBH, although it has not been tested with full Shade. I'll see how it goes.

That clears my doubts. I just did not want to get to lv 320 and realize that DW is not that efficien x_x t. But now I confirm that it is not so ^^

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post Aug 30 2017, 17:39
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And since I am, what about DW for Grindfest? Is it possible to do Hellfest or higher with DW?
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post Aug 30 2017, 17:44
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QUOTE(rokyroky @ Aug 30 2017, 17:36) *

Oh great! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) . For now my max is IWTBH, although it has not been tested with full Shade. I'll see how it goes.

That clears my doubts. I just did not want to get to lv 320 and realize that DW is not that efficien x_x t. But now I confirm that it is not so ^^

ah ok, good. then switching to shade will make you lose some of your mitigations (all of piercing, in particular) but will raise your ADB, your Evade and possibly your Crit (depending on which prefix/suffix you can find).

to boost these effects, Fleet/Shadowdancer suffixes and Savage prefix are preferrable


it will still be less efficient than 1H, but you'll be able to complete arenas and IWs in the end.

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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Aug 30 2017, 17:44) *

ah ok, good. then switching to shade will make you lose some of your mitigations (all of piercing, in particular) but will raise your ADB, your Evade and possibly your Crit (depending on which prefix/suffix you can find).

to boost these effects, Fleet/Shadowdancer suffixes and Savage prefix are preferrable
it will still be less efficient than 1H, but you'll be able to complete arenas and IWs in the end.


I am aware of the loss of mitigations.

I will try to get with those suffixes, although from what I've seen in WTS on my level there are not many Mag and Leg to choose from.

While I can Arenas and IWs by now is enough ^^
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post Aug 30 2017, 18:03
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Aug 30 2017, 08:09) *

which style?


Sorry, it is " not come with appropriate suffixes" in my last post.

Anyway, I have not study the mage playstyle yet and it seems that wiki does not contain enough info for newbie to start mage. Could anyone tell how mage is played in recent versions?

So far, I only know Holy or Dark is a better choice. But I guess those equips are more expensive. Is Wind/Elec still an OK option for me at around 350?
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post Aug 30 2017, 18:46
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I started a fire mage because their equipment is easier to find and cheaper.
For now, grinding proficiencies.
Which elemental style is recommended? and types of staffs recommended for each playstyle with their prefixes & suffixes
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QUOTE(Draw99Gray @ Aug 30 2017, 18:46) *

I started a fire mage because their equipment is easier to find and cheaper.
For now, grinding proficiencies.
Which elemental style is recommended? and types of staffs recommended for each playstyle with their prefixes & suffixes

This you can find in the wiki , advice and advice advanced. It's too much detail to type on mobile
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post Aug 30 2017, 20:00
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QUOTE(Sapo84 @ Aug 30 2017, 12:08) *

LARD (gloves), LARN (gloves) and LARE (full phase) are nearly just as good (difference is minimal, rolls are probably more important).

it's good to hear that staffs of the elementalist are viable, since i dropped a nice fiery one recently that i plan to go full phase with
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QUOTE(sickentide @ Aug 30 2017, 20:00) *

it's good to hear that staffs of the elementalist are viable, since i dropped a nice fiery one recently that i plan to go full phase with

That's one of the merits of the new patch: full phase is now possible! I wonder if we'll see a rise in elemental staff price?
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QUOTE(Benny-boy @ Aug 30 2017, 08:13) *

Not only power, all slaughter - at some point 1H becomes overprotective, so the only thing you would care is damage (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)


280 1H + heavy can do RE PFUDOR, IMO not well. Typically gear and stats are the two issues. RE PFUDOR doesn't begin to need slaughter armor. A set of decent magnificent+legendary power protection/warding pieces should be enough. In the low 300s you start getting enough HPs and enough PABs from your gear to better handle RE PFUDOR. So much depends on personal stats and perks that YMMV.

The only thing I suspect 1H + Heavy folks can't do easily without slaughter pieces are complete PFfests.

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