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post Aug 27 2017, 19:01
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Do parry and evade rolls occur before or after block? That is quite essential to get the best out of the shield.
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post Aug 27 2017, 19:04
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Aug 27 2017, 16:47) *

speculated. it's not like many people have available such a weapon.
yes, yes. btw, is the total amount of counters related to the sum of counters from block and those from parry?

Axe with shield and heavy armor?
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post Aug 27 2017, 19:05
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QUOTE(decondelite @ Aug 27 2017, 19:01) *

Do parry and evade rolls occur before or after block? That is quite essential to get the best out of the shield.

priority is: evade > block > parry.

this is why you should have your evade as low as possible

QUOTE(Mantra64 @ Aug 27 2017, 19:04) *

Axe with shield and heavy armor?

yep. 1H Power style with a high-ADB Axe of Slaughter rather than a rapier. Butcher potency appreciated, i guess
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post Aug 27 2017, 19:09
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Aug 27 2017, 19:05) *

priority is: evade > block > parry.

this is why you should have your evade as low as possible
yep. 1H Power style with a high-ADB Axe of Slaughter rather than a rapier. Butcher potency appreciated, i guess


like this one? Peerless Ethereal Axe of Slaughter
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post Aug 27 2017, 19:17
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QUOTE(Mantra64 @ Aug 27 2017, 19:09) *

Tell us! Please, how does it perform compared to a rapier?
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post Aug 27 2017, 19:19
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QUOTE(DJNoni @ Aug 27 2017, 19:17) *

Tell us! Please, how does it perform compared to a rapier?

I will test it tomorrow. Don't have the time today.

My rapier
Peerless Shocking Rapier of Slaughter

Where should the difference be felt the most? Arena, Grindfest or IW?

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post Aug 27 2017, 19:26
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QUOTE(Mantra64 @ Aug 27 2017, 19:19) *

I will test it tomorrow. Don't have the time today.

My rapier
Peerless Shocking Rapier of Slaughter

Where should the difference be felt the most? Arena, Grindfest or IW?

I'd say compare 2 peerless IWs, that may give us the fastest insights. Otherwise 2days: compare DWD and T&T and FSM
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post Aug 27 2017, 19:30
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Aug 27 2017, 19:05) *

priority is: evade > block > parry.

this is why you should have your evade as low as possible
yep. 1H Power style with a high-ADB Axe of Slaughter rather than a rapier. Butcher potency appreciated, i guess


Personally, I'd favor Power Balance parts to go with a Slaughter weapon, so that I'd reach 200% accuracy, a high crit chance, and I'd go for Overpower 5 Fatality 4. I just cannot shake off that pleasant feeling of a smooth playing with 200%/20%, really. Not to mention that in that case you can have a Flame spike shield instead of a Shock spike shield.

I bet it's possible with an Axe, in which case it'd hurt quite a lot and wouldn't need any PA.

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post Aug 27 2017, 19:37
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QUOTE(Mantra64 @ Aug 27 2017, 19:09) *

yep (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wub.gif)

QUOTE(DJNoni @ Aug 27 2017, 19:26) *

I'd say compare 2 peerless IWs, that may give us the fastest insights. Otherwise 2days: compare DWD and T&T and FSM

agree. do you need a random peerless to iw?

QUOTE(decondelite @ Aug 27 2017, 19:30) *

Personally, I'd favor Power Balance parts to go with a Slaughter weapon, so that I'd reach 200% accuracy, a high crit chance, and I'd go for Overpower 5 Fatality 4. I just cannot shake off that pleasant feeling of a smooth playing with 200%/20%, really. Not to mention that in that case you can have a Flame spike shield instead of a Shock spike shield.

I bet it's possible with an Axe, in which case it'd hurt quite a lot and wouldn't need any PA.

1H style has Overwhelming Strikes proc, which:
- is pretty much always on
- increases attack damage by 15% and attack accuracy by 50% for 4 turns
- increases 20% counter-parry chance per stack, 5 stacks at maximum

therefore, no need neither for high ACC nor for Overpower potency. frankly, not even DW needs maximum OP...
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post Aug 27 2017, 19:59
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Aug 27 2017, 13:37) *

1H style has Overwhelming Strikes proc, which:
- is pretty much always on
- increases attack damage by 15% and attack accuracy by 50% for 4 turns
- increases 20% counter-parry chance per stack, 5 stacks at maximum


Wow 1h is broken as fuck. I didn't realize how good the buff it gets is.
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post Aug 27 2017, 20:03
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QUOTE(DJNoni @ Aug 27 2017, 19:26) *

I'd say compare 2 peerless IWs, that may give us the fastest insights

IW are too random, if you want to compare equipment with minimal difference you need an arena, where the monsters per rounds are fixed (so variation is reduced compared to IW).
Ideally one long arena averaged overo a couple of days.

Also equipments needs to be equally forged, Axe has 50 less forge on damage.
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post Aug 27 2017, 20:12
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QUOTE(Drksrpnt @ Aug 27 2017, 19:59) *

Wow 1h is broken as fuck. I didn't realize how good the buff it gets is.

And still when you want to make all arenas in a few minutes you go for mage. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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post Aug 27 2017, 20:56
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QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Aug 27 2017, 20:12) *

And still when you want to make all arenas in a few minutes you go for mage. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[Petshop boys] Go Mage! [/Petshop boys]
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post Aug 27 2017, 21:01
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QUOTE(DJNoni @ Aug 27 2017, 20:56) *

[Petshop boys]

Is this comon? Because i dont get it. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
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post Aug 27 2017, 21:09
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Hi everyone,
I Opened WTB to buy some equipment but got confused.
EVen now i don't understand what is many common Acronyms
https://ehwiki.org/wiki/Acronyms
(here only full form is given and not what they are)

eg. there are many commonly used
like
ADB is Attack Damage Bonus
but what consist of ADB in eg https://hentaiverse.org/equip/122345129/30c012dc46
here percentile says Soulbound, IW 10, forged 100, ADB 100%, Parry 101%
But i don;t get adb.
Is it Void Damage?
Is it Attack Crit Damage?
Is it Attack Crit Chance?
or Is it Spell Damage?

Similarly EDB in
https://hentaiverse.org/equip/126879296/b5bf304e6a
EDB is Elemental Damage Bonus
here Spell Damage are
Fire +20.04
Cold +19.66
Elec +79.61
Wind +21.96
and EDB is -37%

So,Could someone provide link which explain these EDB, MDB,ADB etc.terms.(I did't get just from fullforms).
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post Aug 27 2017, 21:10
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QUOTE(Sapo84 @ Aug 27 2017, 20:03) *

Also equipments needs to be equally forged, Axe has 50 less forge on damage.

yes, but we have to work with what we have. i cannot ask mantra to sink 50 bindings just for this test (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Aug 27 2017, 21:01) *

Is this comon? Because i dont get it. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

it's a famous song from 80s:

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post Aug 27 2017, 21:14
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QUOTE(ALL_MIGHT @ Aug 27 2017, 21:09) *

Hi everyone,
I Opened WTB to buy some equipment but got confused.
EVen now i don't understand what is many common Acronyms
https://ehwiki.org/wiki/Acronyms
(here only full form is given and not what they are)

eg. there are many commonly used
like
ADB is Attack Damage Bonus
but what consist of ADB in eg https://hentaiverse.org/equip/122345129/30c012dc46
here percentile says Soulbound, IW 10, forged 100, ADB 100%, Parry 101%
But i don;t get adb.
Is it Void Damage?
Is it Attack Crit Damage?
Is it Attack Crit Chance?
or Is it Spell Damage?

the number near Void Damage, which gives 95.53 when hovered. right under PA Chance line

QUOTE

Similarly EDB in
https://hentaiverse.org/equip/126879296/b5bf304e6a
EDB is Elemental Damage Bonus
here Spell Damage are
Fire +20.04
Cold +19.66
Elec +79.61
Wind +21.96
and EDB is -37%

So,Could someone provide link which explain these EDB, MDB,ADB etc.terms.(I did't get just from fullforms).

for staffs, usually people go for the EDB of the matching element. since this is an Elec staff, it's that +79.61 Elec. MDB is Magic Damage, right under Elec Strike
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post Aug 27 2017, 21:26
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Aug 27 2017, 21:10) *

it's a famous song from 80s:


That is what you get when you never acctually did care what the name of the song or the band that is played in the radio. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Aug 27 2017, 21:30
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Aug 27 2017, 21:10) *

yes, but we have to work with what we have. i cannot ask mantra to sink 50 bindings just for this test (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

It's not like he would sink 50 bindings in a crude fiery club of the nimble (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
And obviously I wasn't saying he should be forced to, just that it would be nice having similar upgrades so that we don't need to compensate the difference.
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post Aug 27 2017, 21:38
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QUOTE(Sapo84 @ Aug 27 2017, 21:30) *

It's not like he would sink 50 bindings in a crude fiery club of the nimble (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
And obviously I wasn't saying he should be forced to, just that it would be nice having similar upgrades so that we don't need to compensate the difference.

yes, yes. you have a point. well, if mantra is positive about it, he could do a few runs like items are already, and we'll see where results bring us. in case they aren't so meaningful, well... let's see... in case he decides to fully upgrade it, he will most likely have the best Axe in all HV (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)
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