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Aug 27 2017, 02:34
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Benny-boy
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Its just me, or gaining proficiency is much much harder now? To gain 443 one-handed prof from lvl 442 I need to grind ~20 TT PFUDOR arenas, which is basically half exp for next player lvl (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
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Aug 27 2017, 09:06
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Jack Tekila
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QUOTE(Benny-boy @ Aug 26 2017, 21:34)  Its just me, or gaining proficiency is much much harder now? To gain 443 one-handed prof from lvl 442 I need to grind ~20 TT PFUDOR arenas, which is basically half exp for next player lvl (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) Not at my level... Had just leveled to 352 when update hit, so 1H and heavy profs were at 351. Did a really low amount of REs and 2 arenas yesterday (lv. 110 and lv. 165 ones), on PFUDOR, so I guess that about half of my exp was from dawn. Got 353 today (because of dawn again) and my profs are at 354, what means that I already got this level prof and also the next one! So, I'd say it's easier (at least on my level, again).
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Aug 27 2017, 12:44
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KitsuneAbby
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Quick question to those who would be knowledged in this field: Is it normal if I feel like my brand new Leg Ehtereal Estoc of Slaughter with 180% acc in Hell difficulty feels very slow to kill mobs compared to my Leg Tempestuous Shortsword of Balance 200%acc/20% anti-parry + shield in PFUDOR? I'm starting to feel like I should just do all arenas with my 1H to go faster and get better drops.
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Aug 27 2017, 13:07
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Benny-boy
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QUOTE(decondelite @ Aug 27 2017, 13:44)  Quick question to those who would be knowledged in this field: Is it normal if I feel like my brand new Leg Ehtereal Estoc of Slaughter with 180% acc in Hell difficulty feels very slow to kill mobs compared to my Leg Tempestuous Shortsword of Balance 200%acc/20% anti-parry + shield in PFUDOR? I'm starting to feel like I should just do all arenas with my 1H to go faster and get better drops.
2H is kind of broken, so you definitely should go with 1H and look for rapier for max efficiency.
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Aug 27 2017, 13:36
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(decondelite @ Aug 27 2017, 12:44)  Quick question to those who would be knowledged in this field: Is it normal if I feel like my brand new Leg Ehtereal Estoc of Slaughter with 180% acc in Hell difficulty feels very slow to kill mobs compared to my Leg Tempestuous Shortsword of Balance 200%acc/20% anti-parry + shield in PFUDOR? I'm starting to feel like I should just do all arenas with my 1H to go faster and get better drops.
wait until you'll try a rapier with that shield
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Aug 27 2017, 13:40
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KitsuneAbby
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Aug 27 2017, 13:36)  wait until you'll try a rapier with that shield
Actually I find that the Bleeding is effective as I have 5-6 mobs bleeding at the same time, even while they're stunned.
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Aug 27 2017, 16:03
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Noni
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QUOTE(decondelite @ Aug 27 2017, 13:40)  Actually I find that the Bleeding is effective as I have 5-6 mobs bleeding at the same time, even while they're stunned.
Sure it is effective. Just not as effective as penetrated armour + permanent spirit stance + parry. Rapier will significantly improved your speed
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Aug 27 2017, 16:21
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(DJNoni @ Aug 27 2017, 16:03)  Sure it is effective. Just not as effective as penetrated armour + permanent spirit stance + parry. Rapier will significantly improved your speed
unless we're speaking about a very highly forged, high-tier Leg Axe of Slaughter. in that case i guess the surplus ADB could make up for the lack of PA, and both counter-stuns and BW could take care of the half-dead monsters. just my thought though.
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Aug 27 2017, 16:29
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Noni
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Aug 27 2017, 16:21)  unless we're speaking about a very highly forged, high-tier Leg Axe of Slaughter. in that case i guess the surplus ADB could make up for the lack of PA, and both counter-stuns and BW could take care of the half-dead monsters. just my thought though.
Has this been tried?
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Aug 27 2017, 16:29
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Sapo84
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Aug 27 2017, 16:21)  unless we're speaking about a very highly forged, high-tier Leg Axe of Slaughter. in that case i guess the surplus ADB could make up for the lack of PA, and both counter-stuns and BW could take care of the half-dead monsters. just my thought though.
You also have to consider the loss in parry (so less counter-attacks and spirit gain). It needs to be tested. Given the new HP scaling it's possible that rapier is not as mandatory as before.
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Aug 27 2017, 16:47
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(DJNoni @ Aug 27 2017, 16:29)  Has this been tried?
speculated. it's not like many people have available such a weapon. QUOTE(Sapo84 @ Aug 27 2017, 16:29)  You also have to consider the loss in parry (so less counter-attacks and spirit gain).
yes, yes. btw, is the total amount of counters related to the sum of counters from block and those from parry?
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Aug 27 2017, 19:01
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KitsuneAbby
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Do parry and evade rolls occur before or after block? That is quite essential to get the best out of the shield.
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Aug 27 2017, 19:04
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Mantra64
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Aug 27 2017, 16:47)  speculated. it's not like many people have available such a weapon. yes, yes. btw, is the total amount of counters related to the sum of counters from block and those from parry?
Axe with shield and heavy armor?
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Aug 27 2017, 19:05
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(decondelite @ Aug 27 2017, 19:01)  Do parry and evade rolls occur before or after block? That is quite essential to get the best out of the shield.
priority is: evade > block > parry. this is why you should have your evade as low as possible QUOTE(Mantra64 @ Aug 27 2017, 19:04)  Axe with shield and heavy armor?
yep. 1H Power style with a high-ADB Axe of Slaughter rather than a rapier. Butcher potency appreciated, i guess
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Aug 27 2017, 19:09
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Mantra64
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Aug 27 2017, 19:05)  priority is: evade > block > parry.
this is why you should have your evade as low as possible yep. 1H Power style with a high-ADB Axe of Slaughter rather than a rapier. Butcher potency appreciated, i guess
like this one? Peerless Ethereal Axe of Slaughter
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Aug 27 2017, 19:17
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Noni
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QUOTE(Mantra64 @ Aug 27 2017, 19:09)  Tell us! Please, how does it perform compared to a rapier?
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Aug 27 2017, 19:19
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Mantra64
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QUOTE(DJNoni @ Aug 27 2017, 19:17)  Tell us! Please, how does it perform compared to a rapier?
I will test it tomorrow. Don't have the time today. My rapier Peerless Shocking Rapier of SlaughterWhere should the difference be felt the most? Arena, Grindfest or IW? This post has been edited by Mantra64: Aug 27 2017, 19:21
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Aug 27 2017, 19:26
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Noni
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QUOTE(Mantra64 @ Aug 27 2017, 19:19)  I will test it tomorrow. Don't have the time today. My rapier Peerless Shocking Rapier of SlaughterWhere should the difference be felt the most? Arena, Grindfest or IW? I'd say compare 2 peerless IWs, that may give us the fastest insights. Otherwise 2days: compare DWD and T&T and FSM
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Aug 27 2017, 19:30
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KitsuneAbby
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Aug 27 2017, 19:05)  priority is: evade > block > parry.
this is why you should have your evade as low as possible yep. 1H Power style with a high-ADB Axe of Slaughter rather than a rapier. Butcher potency appreciated, i guess
Personally, I'd favor Power Balance parts to go with a Slaughter weapon, so that I'd reach 200% accuracy, a high crit chance, and I'd go for Overpower 5 Fatality 4. I just cannot shake off that pleasant feeling of a smooth playing with 200%/20%, really. Not to mention that in that case you can have a Flame spike shield instead of a Shock spike shield. I bet it's possible with an Axe, in which case it'd hurt quite a lot and wouldn't need any PA. This post has been edited by decondelite: Aug 27 2017, 19:32
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Aug 27 2017, 19:37
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(Mantra64 @ Aug 27 2017, 19:09)  yep (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/wub.gif) QUOTE(DJNoni @ Aug 27 2017, 19:26)  I'd say compare 2 peerless IWs, that may give us the fastest insights. Otherwise 2days: compare DWD and T&T and FSM
agree. do you need a random peerless to iw? QUOTE(decondelite @ Aug 27 2017, 19:30)  Personally, I'd favor Power Balance parts to go with a Slaughter weapon, so that I'd reach 200% accuracy, a high crit chance, and I'd go for Overpower 5 Fatality 4. I just cannot shake off that pleasant feeling of a smooth playing with 200%/20%, really. Not to mention that in that case you can have a Flame spike shield instead of a Shock spike shield.
I bet it's possible with an Axe, in which case it'd hurt quite a lot and wouldn't need any PA.
1H style has Overwhelming Strikes proc, which: - is pretty much always on - increases attack damage by 15% and attack accuracy by 50% for 4 turns - increases 20% counter-parry chance per stack, 5 stacks at maximum therefore, no need neither for high ACC nor for Overpower potency. frankly, not even DW needs maximum OP...
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