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post Aug 21 2017, 04:05
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QUOTE(Sapo84 @ Aug 20 2017, 16:24) *

Damage multiplier doesn't really matter since the increase is still the same percentage.
If the increase is 1.7/1.8% (depends on how many radiants/how good the MDB value of the staff is) it means that Arch4 vs Arch0 is better when the last turn of a round with Arch0 has monsters with less than 1.7/1.8% of health.
This doesn't happen as frequently to justify not getting +5.87% cast speed, which is massive.

Arch4 vs Spellweaver4 is the magic damage of an exquisite radiant shoes vs the cast speed of a leg shoes + cast speed of a leg gloves.

Penetrator is not even in the same league, Penetrator5 is >4% of damage so double the effectiveness of archmage + it also helps deprecating spells.


Thank you! That explains in a way I understand.

Now of course, pulling off Penetrator5/Spellweaver4 isn't as easy as I'd like it to be.
But I shall soldier on until I use up every amnesia shard ever produced. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

Edit: How do you guys keep tabs on Karma? I've always searched the thread for whoever.
That's not working out. I forget where I left off. I don't give enough karma. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

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post Aug 21 2017, 17:32
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Haven't played the hentaiverse in a little while. So... I'm apparently a one handed swordsman with a shield. (I thought I remembered being a mage but I guess I changed style) anything huge change that I should be aware of or just keep stabbing things to death?
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post Aug 21 2017, 17:43
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anything huge change that I should be aware of or just keep stabbing things to death?

Changes were more visual-wise and technical-wise (lots of fixes in MoggleMail, Monster Lab, more polished interface, new HP/MP/SP bars, so on).

Melee is played same as year ago - just stab'em'up to death.

The only thing, I can came up right now, that may be useful for melee - now every day of the week grants boost to certain element, and one day (friday?) boosts all magic elements. So if you are using infusion or your weapon has elemental strike, then you can get advantages based in certain day. (elements are fire, elec, ice, wind, holy, dark). Read more info in HVwiki if you want. This is not a huge thing to care about, but it is good to know.

Read advice page to know what you should do, when and how : https://ehwiki.org/wiki/HentaiVerse_Advice_Advanced
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post Aug 21 2017, 17:54
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in case you play with scripts, it's suggested to use Monsterbation. it has everything you need and it's 100% legit.
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post Aug 21 2017, 19:33
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In a hypothetical case that the players did not create monster, against which we would fight ?,
with ghosts and whales with but level ?. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

By the way, why did they remove dragon armor and scythes ?. Having a dragon armor with a scythe feel it is very cool (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool2.gif)
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post Aug 21 2017, 19:36
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QUOTE(rokyroky @ Aug 21 2017, 19:33) *

By the way, why did they remove dragon armor and scythes ?. Having a dragon armor with a scythe feel it is very cool (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool2.gif)

yes. but it's not they, it's him
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post Aug 21 2017, 19:40
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Ah! I'm sorry, my English is not very good so I supported the translator (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
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post Aug 21 2017, 19:42
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QUOTE(rokyroky @ Aug 21 2017, 19:33) *

In a hypothetical case that the players did not create monster, against which we would fight ?,
with ghosts and whales with but level ?. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

No, as far as i remember, there are some hentaiverse own monsters, i am quite sure the Cockatrice is one of them. But at a certan level you dont meet them any longer and all you meet are player created monsters. Also why should no one create monster? Everytimer one of them bring me a phazon is like xmas. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

QUOTE(rokyroky @ Aug 21 2017, 19:40) *

Ah! I'm sorry, my English is not very good so I supported the translator (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

What scremaz wanted to tell you is there is only one person who decide something like that. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

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post Aug 21 2017, 19:42
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QUOTE(rokyroky @ Aug 21 2017, 19:33) *

In a hypothetical case that the players did not create monster, against which we would fight ?,
with ghosts and whales with but level ?. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

By the way, why did they remove dragon armor and scythes ?. Having a dragon armor with a scythe feel it is very cool (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool2.gif)


The generic monsters have absolutely terrible stats and no spirit attack, that's why you ultimately stop seeing them.
When you know that at some point player monsters hurt much more than schoolgirls, or even FSM, you know everything.
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post Aug 21 2017, 19:44
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QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Aug 21 2017, 19:42) *

Also why should no one create monster? Everytimer one of them bring me a phazon is like xmas. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

/me nods. too bad it happens as often as christmas though.

QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Aug 21 2017, 19:42) *

What scremaz wanted to tell you is there is only one person who decide something like that. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

/me nods again.
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post Aug 21 2017, 20:36
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QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Aug 21 2017, 19:42) *

No, as far as i remember, there are some hentaiverse own monsters, i am quite sure the Cockatrice is one of them. But at a certan level you dont meet them any longer and all you meet are player created monsters. Also why should no one create monster? Everytimer one of them bring me a phazon is like xmas. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)
What scremaz wanted to tell you is there is only one person who decide something like that. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)


It's not that bad to create monster. It's just that I was curious how the game would be without ^^

I misunderstood.  I thought they had been taken away by a player's choice. If it was admin's decision then there is not much to investigate (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)
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post Aug 22 2017, 08:19
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QUOTE(rokyroky @ Aug 21 2017, 20:36) *
It's not that bad to create monster. It's just that I was curious how the game would be without ^^


Boring as fuck. That is, right now it's boring as fuck, but not the same. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)
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post Aug 22 2017, 13:52
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Boring as fuck.

Fuck is not that boring if you know what you should do xD

On a serious side, experts tell me, what is best bazaar/salvage policy for 1H/Heavy?
What I do is:
>One-handed: Magnificent - salvage, anything else - bazaar;
>Two-handed: Magnificent and Exquisite - salvage, anything else - bazaar;
>Staff: Magnificent - salvage, anything else - bazaar;
>Shield: Magnificent and Exquisite - salvage, anything else - bazaar;
>Cloth: Magnificent - salvage, anything else - bazaar;
>Light: everything - bazaar;
>Heavy: Magnificent, Exquisite and Superior - salvage, anything else - bazaar;

What I am doing wrong? =)

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post Aug 22 2017, 13:59
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QUOTE(f4tal @ Aug 22 2017, 13:52) *

On a serious side, experts tell me, what is best bazaar/salvage policy for 1H/Heavy?
What I do is:
>One-handed: Magnificent - salvage, anything else - bazaar;
>Two-handed: Magnificent and Exquisite - salvage, anything else - bazaar;
>Staff: Magnificent - salvage, anything else - bazaar;
>Shield: Magnificent and Exquisite - salvage, anything else - bazaar;
>Cloth: Magnificent - salvage, anything else - bazaar;
>Light: everything - bazaar;
>Heavy: Magnificent, Exquisite and Superior - salvage, anything else - bazaar;

What I am doing wrong? =)

1H: bazaar
2H: bazaar
Staff: Mag+ salvage, otherwise bazaar
Cloth: Mag+ salvage, otherwise bazaar
Light: bazaar
Heavy: bazaar

There may be some equipment that are slightly better to salvage but you need to check the price (and sell scraps/LG/MG later) so it's not worth the effort without a script doing the work for you imho.
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post Aug 22 2017, 14:02
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QUOTE(Sapo84 @ Aug 22 2017, 14:59) *

1H: bazaar
2H: bazaar
Staff: Mag+ salvage, otherwise bazaar
Cloth: Mag+ salvage, otherwise bazaar
Light: bazaar
Heavy: bazaar

There may be some equipment that are slightly better to salvage but you need to check the price (and sell scraps/LG/MG later) so it's not worth the effort without a script doing the work for you imho.


I second this post.
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post Aug 22 2017, 14:04
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QUOTE(Sapo84 @ Aug 22 2017, 13:59) *

1H: bazaar
2H: bazaar
Staff: Mag+ salvage, otherwise bazaar
Cloth: Mag+ salvage, otherwise bazaar
Light: bazaar
Heavy: bazaar

There may be some equipment that are slightly better to salvage but you need to check the price (and sell scraps/LG/MG later) so it's not worth the effort without a script doing the work for you imho.

agree. plus shield - as staff.
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post Aug 22 2017, 14:35
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Thank guys! So, it is not worthy to care about getting right materials (like HGMetal, LGwood) by myself and it is way easier to bazaar it all (but very valuable) and just create WTB request?

Like, why should I care to get materials by myself, if people can sent them to me? =)
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post Aug 22 2017, 14:41
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QUOTE(f4tal @ Aug 22 2017, 14:35) *

Like, why should I care to get materials by myself, if people can sent them to me? =)

it's not a matter of hassle. it's a matter of economy. say, you need HGM and you drop something like this: https://hentaiverse.org/equip/133602610/7678bcfbfa.

now, HGM is worth 800c. that waki is worth roughly 3.5k (3501c to be exact).

you salvage the waki, you earn 1 HGM plus a few scraps. you bazaar the waki and use the incoming to purchase HGM, you can earn 4 HGM. with power armors there's even more advantage.
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post Aug 22 2017, 15:37
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you salvage the waki, you earn 1 HGM plus a few scraps. you bazaar the waki and use the incoming to purchase HGM, you can earn 4 HGM. with power armors there's even more advantage.

Ohh, no I see your point. Thank you for clear explanation. Yeash, I kinda suck in math =)

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There may be some equipment that are slightly better to salvage but you need to check the price (and sell scraps/LG/MG later) so it's not worth the effort without a script doing the work for you imho.

If you (or anyone) don't mind - can one tell me when it is better to salvage item than bazaar it? What formula I can use and how to calc it properly? I think we (I?) can put it in a script and release it for public use. I don't think it will violate any rules.

Or if script with this functionality is already exist, can someone give me a link? =)
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post Aug 22 2017, 16:09
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QUOTE(f4tal @ Aug 22 2017, 15:37) *

If you (or anyone) don't mind - can one tell me when it is better to salvage item than bazaar it? What formula I can use and how to calc it properly? I think we (I?) can put it in a script and release it for public use. I don't think it will violate any rules.

Or if script with this functionality is already exist, can someone give me a link? =)

you should salvage whenever the net worth of items earned from that (ie: LG/MG/HG materials + scraps + eventually cells) is higher than what bazaar gives you.
long story short, only items worth salvaging are non-matching Mag+ Cloths and Staffs/Shields - especially if bounded at high levels.

really not worth to code it, if you ask me.
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