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post Aug 2 2017, 18:44
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What's the recommended IW strategy for a 5 jug? I'm having some spare amnesia and my shop is still closed so decided to go for some jug.
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post Aug 2 2017, 19:06
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QUOTE(as013 @ Aug 2 2017, 18:44) *

What's the recommended IW strategy for a 5 jug? I'm having some spare amnesia and my shop is still closed so decided to go for some jug.


I always go for the highest difficulty where you get 2 unlocked in 1 IW. Hell most of the time.

Reforge when you don't get 1 jug out of 2
Refogre when you don't get 3 jug out of 5
Reforge when you don't get jug 5
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post Aug 2 2017, 19:18
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IWing my next katana:

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Unlocked innate potential: Butcher Level 2
Unlocked innate potential: Fatality Level 1
Unlocked innate potential: Butcher Level 1
The equipment's potential has increased by 1680 points!
You are victorious!

207 Crystals
3.517 Credits
7x Lesser Equipment
2 Artifacts
1 Trophy
67 Consumables
22x Food
427.578.608 EXP

2.765 turns (DW style)


which makes me wonder: what should i aim for on Niten? my Waki already has OP4 and even if people say that OP10 is mandatory i noted that with my old waki OP4 in total was already good enough

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post Aug 2 2017, 19:50
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Tad confused...

The Peerles Slaughter Rapier from a few days ago sold 450k tickets

The one for the drawing in 6 hours has sold 30k

What gives?
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post Aug 2 2017, 20:00
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QUOTE(SidZBear @ Aug 2 2017, 19:50) *

Tad confused...

The Peerles Slaughter Rapier from a few days ago sold 450k tickets

The one for the drawing in 6 hours has sold 30k

What gives?

its prefix. people are under the mistaken impression that Fiery is a crappy suffix not even worth wasting credits on. something like that.

not that i mind though. it still means less competition. back then i was able to afford this beauty with close-to-max ADB (bound at lv480-ish) for 50k
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post Aug 2 2017, 20:04
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Aug 2 2017, 11:00) *

its prefix. people are under the mistaken impression that Fiery is a crappy suffix not even worth wasting credits on. something like that.

not that i mind though. it still means less competition. back then i was able to afford this beauty with close-to-max ADB (bound at lv480-ish) for 50k



Well, I just dumped ~1200 hath worth of GP on it, so wish me luck!
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post Aug 2 2017, 20:09
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QUOTE(SidZBear @ Aug 2 2017, 19:50) *

Tad confused...

The Peerles Slaughter Rapier from a few days ago sold 450k tickets

The one for the drawing in 6 hours has sold 30k

What gives?


Explain them that in all cases it's exactly the same, since it will only affect the elemental strike's type, and even when using Imperil the max reduction of mitigation is 40% for elemental, 25% (or 30% I don't know) for Holy/Dark. I'd even say that regarding this aspect, imperilling against fire doesn't cost you one extra ability slot.

OR, they all dropped the entirety of GPs on the Hallowed one and now they have nothing left for this one.

I don't care anyway. Sent in all I had on this one, and sent in nothing on the previous one. I have like 100 times more chances to win. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

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post Aug 2 2017, 20:15
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QUOTE(decondelite @ Aug 2 2017, 11:09) *

Explain them that in all cases it's exactly the same, since it will only affect the elemental strike's type, and even when using Imperil the max reduction of mitigation is 40% for elemental, 25% (or 30% I don't know) for Holy/Dark. I'd even say that regarding this aspect, imperilling against fire doesn't cost you one extra ability slot.

OR, they all dropped the entirety of GPs on the Hallowed one and now they have nothing left for this one.

I don't care anyway. Sent in all I had on this one, and sent in nothing on the previous one. I have like 100 times more chances to win. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)



Well, hopefully ONE of us wins it XD

How much would it cost to have you click the 'do not want' button?
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post Aug 2 2017, 22:42
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Why would a baron want a fiery prefixed rapier?
Ok, it's peerless, but it's still trash prefixed.
Fiery vs holy/dark means nearly 1% reduction in damage (primary damage, not counting skills and counters) against normal monster, more against SGs.

Math
Data from here (last table).

Fiery
You + void + fire Strike (shock spike) + dark strike
100% + 33.55% + 17.93% + 18.60% = 170,08%

Dark
You + void + dark strike + cold strike (fire spike)
100% + 33.55% + 18.60% + 19.03% = 171,18%

If you consider that adding 1 ADB to my rapier would increase my damage by a whopping 0.44% ((2774/50.5) / 12316 * 100) you can see how actually big the difference is between a prefix like fiery and a good prefix like demonic.

tl;dr
Having fiery as prefix is just as bad as not having LMax ADB, so if you want the best of the best fiery just doesn't cut it.

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post Aug 2 2017, 22:45
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QUOTE(Sapo84 @ Aug 2 2017, 22:42) *

Why would a baron want a fiery prefixed rapier?

which is why all the other ones have a chance to earn something decent, for once.

personally i'm really happy with my almost-P Fiery Rapier (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

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How much would it cost to have you click the 'do not want' button?

i'm all ears.
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post Aug 2 2017, 23:35
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Aug 2 2017, 13:45) *

i'm all ears.


for you? 14 credits and an old stick of gum.
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post Aug 2 2017, 23:45
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for you? 14 credits and an old stick of gum.

hmm... thanks but no thanks
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post Aug 2 2017, 23:59
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QUOTE(Sapo84 @ Aug 2 2017, 22:42) *

Why would a baron want a fiery prefixed rapier?
Ok, it's peerless, but it's still trash prefixed.
Fiery vs holy/dark means nearly 1% reduction in damage (primary damage, not counting skills and counters) against normal monster, more against SGs.

Math
Data from here (last table).

Fiery
You + void + fire Strike (shock spike) + dark strike
100% + 33.55% + 17.93% + 18.60% = 170,08%

Dark
You + void + dark strike + cold strike (fire spike)
100% + 33.55% + 18.60% + 19.03% = 171,18%

If you consider that adding 1 ADB to my rapier would increase my damage by a whopping 0.44% ((2774/50.5) / 12316 * 100) you can see how actually big the difference is between a prefix like fiery and a good prefix like demonic.

tl;dr
Having fiery as prefix is just as bad as not having LMax ADB, so if you want the best of the best fiery just doesn't cut it.


I love the sarcasm in this one. I won't feel bad anymore the few times I'll be sinking 20MGP, because when I do it's not for 1 tiny ADB.
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post Aug 3 2017, 00:12
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QUOTE(decondelite @ Aug 2 2017, 23:59) *

I love the sarcasm in this one. I won't feel bad anymore the few times I'll be sinking 20MGP, because when I do it's not for 1 tiny ADB.

the funny thing is that those numbers *should* mean that cold strike + fire spike is the non plus ultra, while they actually simply mean that it's only slightly (very slightly!) better than fire strike + elec spike.

i doubt mere mortals may taste the actual difference.
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post Aug 3 2017, 00:30
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Aug 2 2017, 22:45) *

which is why all the other ones have a chance to earn something decent, for once.

Isn't this how everything always end?
The best of the best is reserved for the people who have more money than what they can spend, while the other can still enjoy the "good but not all around best" things for much cheaper.

QUOTE(decondelite @ Aug 2 2017, 23:59) *

I love the sarcasm in this one. I won't feel bad anymore the few times I'll be sinking 20MGP, because when I do it's not for 1 tiny ADB.

Your point being?
Since people actually read this very thread to be informed about HV what we really want here is clear answers, math backing up reasoning, things like that.
Being sarcastic because you did not know why people with three digit M credits can't be arsed to bid on a fiery rapier it's not making this thread looks good.
You can just check Scremaz post for reference, he read my post, understood what I meant, concluded that super-rich people simply have different priorities and still thinks that the Peerless fiery rapier of slaughter is a fucking good rapier (which it is, just not the best, like a 50.5 ADB rapier is not a 51.33 ADB rapier, and if you have enough credits to get the latter you're probably not interested in the former).
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post Aug 3 2017, 03:32
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thanks all the grandmasters helping me to build my one-hand warrior

it's give me a solid foundation of gameplay,i'll always appreciate that

for now i am switching in mage my next stage

direct purpose is play GF@IWBTH same as the melee

but mage is saving a lot of time i acceptance heavy micro-managing

so what kind staff i should use in this stage ?

i totally understand those staff was non match-prefix type not good

but they ware cheap i think it‘s good for a high level newbie like me

Peerless Fiery Redwood Staff of Surtr

Peerless Tempestuous Redwood Staff of Focus

Peerless Tempestuous Oak Staff of Heimdall

Peerless Hallowed Willow Staff of Destruction

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post Aug 3 2017, 04:25
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Aug 2 2017, 20:00) *

its prefix. people are under the mistaken impression that Fiery is a crappy suffix not even worth wasting credits on. something like that.

Can you sort the prefixes for 1H? I have always thought that unless it's Ethereal, anything goes.
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My DW and 2H proc not increase when using niten (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

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post Aug 3 2017, 06:48
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QUOTE(kuriak @ Aug 3 2017, 11:30) *

My DW and 2H proc not increase when using niten (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)


wiki => No weapon proficiencies are gained when using this style.

you need train 2H and DW Prof respectively
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QUOTE(manga522 @ Aug 2 2017, 22:32) *

so what kind staff i should use in this stage ?

i totally understand those staff was non match-prefix type not good

but they ware cheap i think it‘s good for a high level newbie like me


It depends on which element you intend to be as a mage. I am also not an expert in this area, but I would say the following:

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for Fire mage.

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for Wind mage.

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for Holy mage.

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for Dark mage.
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