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Jul 29 2017, 07:13
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Uncle Stu
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QUOTE(honoryellow @ Jul 29 2017, 05:59)  Something I have noticed is how low the interference is on bucklers compared to the other shields. From a utilitarian perspective, does the mana conservation from bucklers scale better in the long run or do the extra block and mitigation bonuses from kite shields and force shields completely offset this? For more information, I am using a tank build with all shield gear of protection/warding but I feel like my healing/protection spells will become too expensive if everything becomes high interference. However, it doesn't seem to fit the tank image by only using a buckler. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) Buckler are for 1H mage (i am still not convinced this is acctually a thing) only. So if you play 1H Heavy use a Force shield instead, i play 1H Heavy and i couldnt care less about mana conservation or interference.
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Jul 29 2017, 10:52
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(lololo16 @ Jul 29 2017, 03:32)  (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) I'll try to remember that when I get a new one. Then I don't need to upgrade at all that stats? Neither in my katana? @Scremaz didn't mention accuracy when he was talking about ityou mentioned 177% ACC at level 291. it will most likely become 200% on its own at a certain point, and no point in going further apart for bragging rights. or at least, i'm at lv420ish and have 206% ACC with a Mag Katana and no DW ACC ability slotted. but yep, you can sink a few credits on that, if you have spare bindings. QUOTE(lololo16 @ Jul 29 2017, 03:32)  First crit and parry in my waki, because I use it for DW too. PABs... I don't know, I think I have a some cheetah and Ox.
for DW you *may* prefer a nimble one for the bonus parry. but it also depends on the difficulty you play, i guess. QUOTE(honoryellow @ Jul 29 2017, 05:59)  Is there a method to see a maxed potency equipment's pxp from when it was at potency tier 0?
no, afaik. if you find it, please tell me. i'd need it as well for coding needs (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif) QUOTE(honoryellow @ Jul 29 2017, 05:59)  On the same topic, what ways are there to compare overall stats between items of identical quality besides pxp at tier 0?
PXP0 isn't that big of a thing. surely it should be somehow related to the sum of all rolls (or at least, it used to be), but it doesn't absolutely gives you any info about single rolls. you should learn which are the most important stats and compare them on your own. eventually equipment comparison will be useful, once repaired. ie, do you use a Rapier for 1H? most likely you won't care about AGI roll. a Waki for DW? then probably a bad STR roll isn't news. and so on... QUOTE(honoryellow @ Jul 29 2017, 05:59)  Something I have noticed is how low the interference is on bucklers compared to the other shields. From a utilitarian perspective, does the mana conservation from bucklers scale better in the long run or do the extra block and mitigation bonuses from kite shields and force shields completely offset this?
don't mind what fits your image and whatnot. unless you can provide us images of phase and power armor (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) however, in 1H style the most important stat is block, so you may want to do whatever you can in order to improve it. without even considering that Force market is quite big, and Buckler of Barrier's quite limited.
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Jul 29 2017, 10:58
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KitsuneAbby
Group: Catgirl Camarilla
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QUOTE(honoryellow @ Jul 29 2017, 05:59)  There are two topics that I have questions about. Advice is much appreciated and thanks in advance. Is there a method to see a maxed potency equipment's pxp from when it was at potency tier 0? On the same topic, what ways are there to compare overall stats between items of identical quality besides pxp at tier 0? Something I have noticed is how low the interference is on bucklers compared to the other shields. From a utilitarian perspective, does the mana conservation from bucklers scale better in the long run or do the extra block and mitigation bonuses from kite shields and force shields completely offset this? For more information, I am using a tank build with all shield gear of protection/warding but I feel like my healing/protection spells will become too expensive if everything becomes high interference. However, it doesn't seem to fit the tank image by only using a buckler. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) I think there's a script around here that used to calculate PXP, probably one of f4tal's, but it's very likely broken right now. Keep an eye on this thread. In the meanwhile, meh you gotta calculate it by using the wiki's formula. What I am sure about, is that there's a script that calculates the total amount of PXP needed to IW10 an item from IW0 to IW10, and it was used by IW service providers. Nonetheless, PXP shouldn't be your concern, at all, for comparing equips. What you want to compare them quickly, is either the (broken) equipment comparison script, or the (working!) percentile ranges script that will allow you to know quickly where your equipment's main stat is located compared to the Legendary range.
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Jul 29 2017, 11:02
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(decondelite @ Jul 29 2017, 10:58)  I think there's a script around here that used to calculate PXP, probably one of f4tal's, but it's very likely broken right now. Keep an eye on this thread. In the meanwhile, meh you gotta calculate it by using the wiki's formula. What I am sure about, is that there's a script that calculates the total amount of PXP needed to IW10 an item from IW0 to IW10, and it was used by IW service providers. Nonetheless, PXP shouldn't be your concern, at all, for comparing equips. What you want to compare them quickly, is either the (broken) equipment comparison script, or the (working!) percentile ranges script that will allow you to know quickly where your equipment's main stat is located compared to the Legendary range. there was an excel spreadsheet too. i thought about using it on my ones at a certain point, but it was quite the complicated formula (an implicit equation, btw) and pretty much useless for my needs, so i didn't even bother.
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Jul 29 2017, 12:10
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lololo16
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Jul 29 2017, 05:52)  you mentioned 177% ACC at level 291. it will most likely become 200% on its own at a certain point, and no point in going further apart for bragging rights. or at least, i'm at lv420ish and have 206% ACC with a Mag Katana and no DW ACC ability slotted. but yep, you can sink a few credits on that, if you have spare bindings.
Yes, I have more of those, I'll use them. Then I won't be doing the same with the next one. QUOTE for DW you *may* prefer a nimble one for the bonus parry. but it also depends on the difficulty you play, i guess. I'm still playing on IWBTH (don't like suffering), but I'm about to change. I use this rapier of the nimble (gift from Snowflake), since I'm not that crazy about DW (even lees about 1H) to buy a rapier of slaughter. It's a bad combination? Maybe I could get a waki of the nimble.
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Jul 29 2017, 12:12
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(lololo16 @ Jul 29 2017, 12:10)  I use this rapier of the nimble (gift from Snowflake), since I'm not that crazy about DW (even lees about 1H) to buy a rapier of slaughter. It's a bad combination? Maybe I could get a waki of the nimble. rapier of nimble/waki of balance?
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Jul 29 2017, 12:19
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lololo16
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Jul 29 2017, 07:12)  rapier of nimble/waki of balance?
Yes, I don't have anything else :/
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Jul 29 2017, 12:39
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KitsuneAbby
Group: Catgirl Camarilla
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Joined: 12-July 14

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QUOTE(lololo16 @ Jul 29 2017, 12:10)  Yes, I have more of those, I'll use them. Then I won't be doing the same with the next one. I'm still playing on IWBTH (don't like suffering), but I'm about to change. I use this rapier of the nimble (gift from Snowflake), since I'm not that crazy about DW (even lees about 1H) to buy a rapier of slaughter. It's a bad combination? Maybe I could get a waki of the nimble. Yes, Rapier of Slaughter+Waki of the Nimble best parry blablabla, yada yada. But frankly Rapier of the Nimble pairs up pretty well with Shortsword of Slaughter too, if what you want to maximize is the raw damage.
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Jul 29 2017, 13:20
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(lololo16 @ Jul 29 2017, 12:19)  Yes, I don't have anything else :/
well, parry on offhand is so boosted that big variations of parry on mainhand aren't so relevant. for example, swapping this rapier with this other one (almost 4 parry less) gives me a 0.6 parry difference. so yep, on mainhand you may want slaughter. as decondelite suggested, you may want to go with shortsword of slaughter / rapier of nimble combo at that point. the advantage would be that shortsword are usually pretty cheap.
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Jul 29 2017, 17:42
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Basara Nekki
Group: Gold Star Club
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Joined: 13-September 12

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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Jul 29 2017, 06:02)  there was an excel spreadsheet too. i thought about using it on my ones at a certain point, but it was quite the complicated formula (an implicit equation, btw) and pretty much useless for my needs, so i didn't even bother.
You mean something like this: (IMG:[ imgur.com] http://imgur.com/paBzy5a.jpg) I did not use formulas. This is being done manually (I started it about 4 months ago). It will still take a long time to "complete". (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) Do not ask me why I'm doing this. I also do not know the answer. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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Jul 29 2017, 18:03
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(Basara Nekki @ Jul 29 2017, 17:42)  You mean something like this: I did not use formulas. This is being done manually (I started it about 4 months ago). It will still take a long time to "complete". (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) Do not ask me why I'm doing this. I also do not know the answer. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) nope. this one. and it still works: https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showtopic=184951but since PXP10 value is hidden, once you reach max level you cannot say anything anymore. on the positive side, the only case that comes into my mind in which you may want to know it is to calculate the exact price of another IW. and still, not so relevant in that case either. guess what, it doesn't matter too much for my spreadsheets as well. even if i thought it was mandatory at the start (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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Jul 29 2017, 18:08
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goldenshower
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Thanks for the reply before.
Today I have question about trophies and shrine. What trophies have the best chance to get good equipment? I remember getting Magnificent Ethereal weapon. But that before I really understand shrine system. I guess regular such as ManBearPig Tail only throw average or superior.
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Jul 29 2017, 18:14
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(goldenshower @ Jul 29 2017, 18:08)  Today I have question about trophies and shrine. What trophies have the best chance to get good equipment? I remember getting Magnificent Ethereal weapon. But that before I really understand shrine system. I guess regular such as ManBearPig Tail only throw average or superior.
https://ehwiki.org/wiki/Items#Trophiesarena clear drops may not be so accurate, but trophies should. also, consider those are only the *minimum* qualities. absolutely no warranty you'll earn an actually good piece.
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Jul 29 2017, 18:15
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Basara Nekki
Group: Gold Star Club
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QUOTE(goldenshower @ Jul 29 2017, 13:08)  Thanks for the reply before.
Today I have question about trophies and shrine. What trophies have the best chance to get good equipment? I remember getting Magnificent Ethereal weapon. But that before I really understand shrine system. I guess regular such as ManBearPig Tail only throw average or superior.
EHWiki - TrophiesThe higher the tier, the higher the odds (theoretically (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) ). But if I were you, I'd sell the trophies. The real chances of getting something good and useful are small.
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Jul 29 2017, 18:29
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goldenshower
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Jul 29 2017, 23:14)  https://ehwiki.org/wiki/Items#Trophiesarena clear drops may not be so accurate, but trophies should. also, consider those are only the *minimum* qualities. absolutely no warranty you'll earn an actually good piece. QUOTE(Basara Nekki @ Jul 29 2017, 23:15)  EHWiki - TrophiesThe higher the tier, the higher the odds (theoretically (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) ). But if I were you, I'd sell the trophies. The real chances of getting something good and useful are small. Ok thanks. Actually I'm planning to try some luck by buying one of this at WTS. My current equipment can only fight at Nintendo for short round. Anything longer than 50 floor either the regen/health draught can't catch up or I will run out of mana. Today trying Niten style with heavy armor.
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Jul 29 2017, 18:52
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KitsuneAbby
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Protip: you can also have more item slots so that you can use all the items at your disposal. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) Having 9 item slots really helped me a lot surviving the first times I played PFUDOR Item World. Don't hesitate to throw in scrolls, potions and even elixirs if you're not doing it 100% of the time. As for the trophies, yes they almost always give garbage. I shrined hundreds of trophies (if not more than a thousand) before obtaining one good Mag weapon. The only trophy with better chances to get something hier tier (which doesn't guarantee it's good) are the noodles. Trophies suck so much that you have way better loots for clearing the 2 last ROBs and the 3 last arenas in PFUDOR. Shrining is worth it only for those who have the Follower of Snowflake perk. or for those who have credits to sink in buying noodles.
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Jul 29 2017, 22:17
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lololo16
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QUOTE(decondelite @ Jul 29 2017, 07:39)  Yes, Rapier of Slaughter+Waki of the Nimble best parry blablabla, yada yada. But frankly Rapier of the Nimble pairs up pretty well with Shortsword of Slaughter too, if what you want to maximize is the raw damage.
QUOTE(Scremaz @ Jul 29 2017, 08:20)  well, parry on offhand is so boosted that big variations of parry on mainhand aren't so relevant. for example, swapping this rapier with this other one (almost 4 parry less) gives me a 0.6 parry difference. so yep, on mainhand you may want slaughter. as decondelite suggested, you may want to go with shortsword of slaughter / rapier of nimble combo at that point. the advantage would be that shortsword are usually pretty cheap. I'll search for a good shortsword then (and start saving for an awesome rapier of slaughter). I see you are fused with both rapiers, @Scremaz. Maybe I should do the same with the katana.... Ah, one last question. If I'm going to spend lots of credits, what would be better, ethereal or non-ethereal rapier?
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Jul 29 2017, 22:39
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KitsuneAbby
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For 1H, non-ethereal. For DW or Niten, ethereal. That being said, don't forget that non-ethereal Leg rapiers have a burden between 6.3 and 7.7. If the actual burden is 7 or below, a featherweight charm will cancel it out completely for 60 mins. That might be a wise choice if you have a hard time finding an ethereal, or if it is way more expensive than a non-ethereal.
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Jul 29 2017, 22:52
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lololo16
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QUOTE(decondelite @ Jul 29 2017, 17:39)  For 1H, non-ethereal. For DW or Niten, ethereal. That being said, don't forget that non-ethereal Leg rapiers have a burden between 6.3 and 7.7. If the actual burden is 7 or below, a featherweight charm will cancel it out completely for 60 mins. That might be a wise choice if you have a hard time finding an ethereal, or if it is way more expensive than a non-ethereal.
Then a non-ethereal. I'd like to try 1H someday :) Thank you!
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Jul 30 2017, 08:02
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manga522
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“life is struggle” that was true i come to this conclusion by these days rushing without any apprehension to choose leave all the artifacts for the stamina supply i got this profits(just C drops/bonus/selling less equips) ≈300K in Credits only from clear of the Arena@PFUDOR ≈90K in Credits only from one round of GF@IWBTH this this in the ordinary range ? i was kinda of depressed that GF profits even cant offset the stamina lost (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif)
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