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post Jul 28 2017, 23:12
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I have this wakizashi (which I use together with this katana) What base stats do I need to upgrade the most?


90% Domino Strike on hit
100% Offhand Strike on hit

4978 attack base damage
176.9 % hit chance
47.5% crit chance / +58 % damage

49.2% parry chance
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post Jul 28 2017, 23:53
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QUOTE(lololo16 @ Jul 29 2017, 04:12) *

I have this wakizashi (which I use together with this katana) What base stats do I need to upgrade the most?
90% Domino Strike on hit
100% Offhand Strike on hit

4978 attack base damage
176.9 % hit chance
47.5% crit chance / +58 % damage

49.2% parry chance


IW "Overpower" = Counter-Parry (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) also maybe Crit-chance
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post Jul 29 2017, 00:29
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QUOTE(lololo16 @ Jul 28 2017, 23:12) *

I have this wakizashi (which I use together with this katana) What base stats do I need to upgrade the most?
90% Domino Strike on hit
100% Offhand Strike on hit

4978 attack base damage
176.9 % hit chance
47.5% crit chance / +58 % damage

49.2% parry chance


Stupid answer: all of them.

Jokes appart, if we're talking about the IW potencies, everyone his own style. Mine would favor Overpower 5 and Fatality 4. If you want an order of preference for the forge levels, I'd go for the crit and parry first. Oh, and you wasted materials on the accuracy: no need to boost the accuracy to reach 100% offhand strike with a Balance.
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post Jul 29 2017, 00:35
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QUOTE(lololo16 @ Jul 28 2017, 23:12) *

I have this wakizashi (which I use together with this katana) What base stats do I need to upgrade the most?
90% Domino Strike on hit
100% Offhand Strike on hit

4978 attack base damage
176.9 % hit chance
47.5% crit chance / +58 % damage

49.2% parry chance

IW: mainhand: whatever combo of butcher, fatality and overpower.
offhand: overpower and fatality preferred. but don't lose your sleep for a couple levels of butcher or swift.

forge: mainhand: ADB, crit, PABs. you can skip AGI though - since it'll have a better ROI on waki.
offhand: crit, parry, PABs. you can skip STR though - since it'll have a better ROI on katana.


nice katana, btw.
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post Jul 29 2017, 00:52
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QUOTE(SidZBear @ Jul 28 2017, 22:24) *

don't forget the manehatten project perk

Well, I cannot test its effect, 25k hath for a boost to OFC doesn't sound that good of a deal (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
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post Jul 29 2017, 03:32
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QUOTE(Chronos0510 @ Jul 28 2017, 18:53) *

IW "Overpower" = Counter-Parry (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) also maybe Crit-chance

QUOTE(decondelite @ Jul 28 2017, 19:29) *

Stupid answer: all of them.

Jokes appart, if we're talking about the IW potencies, everyone his own style. Mine would favor Overpower 5 and Fatality 4.

QUOTE(Scremaz @ Jul 28 2017, 19:35) *

offhand: overpower and fatality preferred. but don't lose your sleep for a couple levels of butcher or swift.


I was talking about forging, but is good to know the opinion of you guys about the IW potencies. I wanted those potencies too, but I don't have enough shards (and credits) so I'll keep those for the time being :/


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Oh, and you wasted materials on the accuracy: no need to boost the accuracy to reach 100% offhand strike with a Balance.


(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) I'll try to remember that when I get a new one. Then I don't need to upgrade at all that stats? Neither in my katana? @Scremaz didn't mention accuracy when he was talking about it


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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Jul 28 2017, 19:35) *

IW: mainhand: whatever combo of butcher, fatality and overpower.

forge: mainhand: ADB, crit, PABs. you can skip AGI though - since it'll have a better ROI on waki.
offhand: crit, parry, PABs. you can skip STR though - since it'll have a better ROI on katana.
nice katana, btw.


Another 2 butcher and 5 overpower would be good in my katana... I don't think I'll invest more (I have another 2 BoS, though) in that katana, since I don't want to fuse with it (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

First crit and parry in my waki, because I use it for DW too. PABs... I don't know, I think I have a some cheetah and Ox.

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post Jul 29 2017, 05:59
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There are two topics that I have questions about. Advice is much appreciated and thanks in advance.

Is there a method to see a maxed potency equipment's pxp from when it was at potency tier 0? On the same topic, what ways are there to compare overall stats between items of identical quality besides pxp at tier 0?

Something I have noticed is how low the interference is on bucklers compared to the other shields. From a utilitarian perspective, does the mana conservation from bucklers scale better in the long run or do the extra block and mitigation bonuses from kite shields and force shields completely offset this? For more information, I am using a tank build with all shield gear of protection/warding but I feel like my healing/protection spells will become too expensive if everything becomes high interference. However, it doesn't seem to fit the tank image by only using a buckler. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
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post Jul 29 2017, 07:13
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Something I have noticed is how low the interference is on bucklers compared to the other shields. From a utilitarian perspective, does the mana conservation from bucklers scale better in the long run or do the extra block and mitigation bonuses from kite shields and force shields completely offset this? For more information, I am using a tank build with all shield gear of protection/warding but I feel like my healing/protection spells will become too expensive if everything becomes high interference. However, it doesn't seem to fit the tank image by only using a buckler. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)


Buckler are for 1H mage (i am still not convinced this is acctually a thing) only. So if you play 1H Heavy use a Force shield instead, i play 1H Heavy and i couldnt care less about mana conservation or interference.
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post Jul 29 2017, 10:52
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QUOTE(lololo16 @ Jul 29 2017, 03:32) *

(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) I'll try to remember that when I get a new one. Then I don't need to upgrade at all that stats? Neither in my katana? @Scremaz didn't mention accuracy when he was talking about it

you mentioned 177% ACC at level 291. it will most likely become 200% on its own at a certain point, and no point in going further apart for bragging rights. or at least, i'm at lv420ish and have 206% ACC with a Mag Katana and no DW ACC ability slotted. but yep, you can sink a few credits on that, if you have spare bindings.

QUOTE(lololo16 @ Jul 29 2017, 03:32) *

First crit and parry in my waki, because I use it for DW too. PABs... I don't know, I think I have a some cheetah and Ox.

for DW you *may* prefer a nimble one for the bonus parry. but it also depends on the difficulty you play, i guess.

QUOTE(honoryellow @ Jul 29 2017, 05:59) *

Is there a method to see a maxed potency equipment's pxp from when it was at potency tier 0?

no, afaik. if you find it, please tell me. i'd need it as well for coding needs (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

QUOTE(honoryellow @ Jul 29 2017, 05:59) *

On the same topic, what ways are there to compare overall stats between items of identical quality besides pxp at tier 0?

PXP0 isn't that big of a thing. surely it should be somehow related to the sum of all rolls (or at least, it used to be), but it doesn't absolutely gives you any info about single rolls.
you should learn which are the most important stats and compare them on your own. eventually equipment comparison will be useful, once repaired.
ie, do you use a Rapier for 1H? most likely you won't care about AGI roll. a Waki for DW? then probably a bad STR roll isn't news. and so on...

QUOTE(honoryellow @ Jul 29 2017, 05:59) *

Something I have noticed is how low the interference is on bucklers compared to the other shields. From a utilitarian perspective, does the mana conservation from bucklers scale better in the long run or do the extra block and mitigation bonuses from kite shields and force shields completely offset this?

don't mind what fits your image and whatnot. unless you can provide us images of phase and power armor (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
however, in 1H style the most important stat is block, so you may want to do whatever you can in order to improve it. without even considering that Force market is quite big, and Buckler of Barrier's quite limited.
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post Jul 29 2017, 10:58
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QUOTE(honoryellow @ Jul 29 2017, 05:59) *

There are two topics that I have questions about. Advice is much appreciated and thanks in advance.

Is there a method to see a maxed potency equipment's pxp from when it was at potency tier 0? On the same topic, what ways are there to compare overall stats between items of identical quality besides pxp at tier 0?

Something I have noticed is how low the interference is on bucklers compared to the other shields. From a utilitarian perspective, does the mana conservation from bucklers scale better in the long run or do the extra block and mitigation bonuses from kite shields and force shields completely offset this? For more information, I am using a tank build with all shield gear of protection/warding but I feel like my healing/protection spells will become too expensive if everything becomes high interference. However, it doesn't seem to fit the tank image by only using a buckler. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)


I think there's a script around here that used to calculate PXP, probably one of f4tal's, but it's very likely broken right now. Keep an eye on this thread. In the meanwhile, meh you gotta calculate it by using the wiki's formula.
What I am sure about, is that there's a script that calculates the total amount of PXP needed to IW10 an item from IW0 to IW10, and it was used by IW service providers.

Nonetheless, PXP shouldn't be your concern, at all, for comparing equips. What you want to compare them quickly, is either the (broken) equipment comparison script, or the (working!) percentile ranges script that will allow you to know quickly where your equipment's main stat is located compared to the Legendary range.
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post Jul 29 2017, 11:02
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QUOTE(decondelite @ Jul 29 2017, 10:58) *

I think there's a script around here that used to calculate PXP, probably one of f4tal's, but it's very likely broken right now. Keep an eye on this thread. In the meanwhile, meh you gotta calculate it by using the wiki's formula.
What I am sure about, is that there's a script that calculates the total amount of PXP needed to IW10 an item from IW0 to IW10, and it was used by IW service providers.

Nonetheless, PXP shouldn't be your concern, at all, for comparing equips. What you want to compare them quickly, is either the (broken) equipment comparison script, or the (working!) percentile ranges script that will allow you to know quickly where your equipment's main stat is located compared to the Legendary range.

there was an excel spreadsheet too. i thought about using it on my ones at a certain point, but it was quite the complicated formula (an implicit equation, btw) and pretty much useless for my needs, so i didn't even bother.
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post Jul 29 2017, 12:10
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Jul 29 2017, 05:52) *

you mentioned 177% ACC at level 291. it will most likely become 200% on its own at a certain point, and no point in going further apart for bragging rights. or at least, i'm at lv420ish and have 206% ACC with a Mag Katana and no DW ACC ability slotted. but yep, you can sink a few credits on that, if you have spare bindings.


Yes, I have more of those, I'll use them. Then I won't be doing the same with the next one.


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for DW you *may* prefer a nimble one for the bonus parry. but it also depends on the difficulty you play, i guess.

I'm still playing on IWBTH (don't like suffering), but I'm about to change.
I use this rapier of the nimble (gift from Snowflake), since I'm not that crazy about DW (even lees about 1H) to buy a rapier of slaughter. It's a bad combination? Maybe I could get a waki of the nimble.
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post Jul 29 2017, 12:12
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QUOTE(lololo16 @ Jul 29 2017, 12:10) *

I use this rapier of the nimble (gift from Snowflake), since I'm not that crazy about DW (even lees about 1H) to buy a rapier of slaughter. It's a bad combination? Maybe I could get a waki of the nimble.

rapier of nimble/waki of balance?
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post Jul 29 2017, 12:19
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Jul 29 2017, 07:12) *

rapier of nimble/waki of balance?


Yes, I don't have anything else :/
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post Jul 29 2017, 12:39
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QUOTE(lololo16 @ Jul 29 2017, 12:10) *

Yes, I have more of those, I'll use them. Then I won't be doing the same with the next one.
I'm still playing on IWBTH (don't like suffering), but I'm about to change.
I use this rapier of the nimble (gift from Snowflake), since I'm not that crazy about DW (even lees about 1H) to buy a rapier of slaughter. It's a bad combination? Maybe I could get a waki of the nimble.


Yes, Rapier of Slaughter+Waki of the Nimble best parry blablabla, yada yada. But frankly Rapier of the Nimble pairs up pretty well with Shortsword of Slaughter too, if what you want to maximize is the raw damage.
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post Jul 29 2017, 13:20
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QUOTE(lololo16 @ Jul 29 2017, 12:19) *

Yes, I don't have anything else :/

well, parry on offhand is so boosted that big variations of parry on mainhand aren't so relevant. for example, swapping this rapier with this other one (almost 4 parry less) gives me a 0.6 parry difference. so yep, on mainhand you may want slaughter.

as decondelite suggested, you may want to go with shortsword of slaughter / rapier of nimble combo at that point. the advantage would be that shortsword are usually pretty cheap.
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post Jul 29 2017, 17:42
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Jul 29 2017, 06:02) *

there was an excel spreadsheet too. i thought about using it on my ones at a certain point, but it was quite the complicated formula (an implicit equation, btw) and pretty much useless for my needs, so i didn't even bother.


You mean something like this:

(IMG:[imgur.com] http://imgur.com/paBzy5a.jpg)

I did not use formulas. This is being done manually (I started it about 4 months ago). It will still take a long time to "complete". (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

Do not ask me why I'm doing this. I also do not know the answer. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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post Jul 29 2017, 18:03
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You mean something like this:

I did not use formulas. This is being done manually (I started it about 4 months ago). It will still take a long time to "complete". (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

Do not ask me why I'm doing this. I also do not know the answer. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

nope. this one. and it still works: https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showtopic=184951

but since PXP10 value is hidden, once you reach max level you cannot say anything anymore. on the positive side, the only case that comes into my mind in which you may want to know it is to calculate the exact price of another IW. and still, not so relevant in that case either.

guess what, it doesn't matter too much for my spreadsheets as well. even if i thought it was mandatory at the start (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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post Jul 29 2017, 18:08
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Thanks for the reply before.

Today I have question about trophies and shrine. What trophies have the best chance to get good equipment? I remember getting Magnificent Ethereal weapon. But that before I really understand shrine system. I guess regular such as ManBearPig Tail only throw average or superior.

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Today I have question about trophies and shrine. What trophies have the best chance to get good equipment? I remember getting Magnificent Ethereal weapon. But that before I really understand shrine system. I guess regular such as ManBearPig Tail only throw average or superior.

https://ehwiki.org/wiki/Items#Trophies

arena clear drops may not be so accurate, but trophies should. also, consider those are only the *minimum* qualities. absolutely no warranty you'll earn an actually good piece.
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