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Jul 25 2017, 23:31
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Ser6IjVolk
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This one is much more out of curiosity simply because I can't afford it in practicality: seeing how the prices on Repurposed Actuators are what they are (~65k), which stats are worth upgrading and at what point short of your top legend/peerless forever-equipment at lvl 500?
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Jul 26 2017, 01:00
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Ass Spanker
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QUOTE(Fap.Fap @ Jul 25 2017, 18:12)  am I the only one, or are others also running out of Monster Chow ? ( maybe Iam not playing enough anymore ) since a Hellfest or some other quick Hell runs are no longer a option, since they need basically the same time as if you would run it in Pfudor I really have some problems with getting enough Chow for my under lvl 251 monsters ( iam even raising their levels now )
How many monsters do you have? I have no problem with 50 monsters at PL 25. Actually I think I have too much food for the monsters.
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Jul 26 2017, 06:37
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manga522
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QUOTE(friggo @ Jul 25 2017, 23:56)  With all this discussion on 1H melee on PFUDORfest, I gave it a shot as well. Basically, I think Sapo84 is right: a fully-forged slaughter set + Æsahættr should be able to clear the 1h30m mark (but probably not by too much). Here's the result (the gear I used is linked in my sig):  that just great full of information (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) may i ask during the battle sequence did you tactically use the pony cannon to wipe the mobs ?
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Jul 26 2017, 06:40
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friggo
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QUOTE(manga522 @ Jul 26 2017, 07:37)  that just great full of information (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) may i ask during the battle sequence did you tactically use the pony cannon to wipe the mobs ? Of course (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif) Using the pony cannon basically means you can one-shot every 3rd or 4th round. Without it, the grindfest would've taken at least 30 minutes longer I think.
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Jul 26 2017, 07:57
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goldenshower
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I saw WTS forum, some player offering free draught. One thread mentioned their stock 50k bottles or something. I know grindfest and arena dropping this but how do you get so many?
Is it by training Scavenger? I'm currently at 10/50. When it start giving surplus?
Playing as dual wielding, 50% parry at Nintendo difficulty.
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Jul 26 2017, 08:32
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lololo16
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QUOTE(goldenshower @ Jul 26 2017, 02:57)  I saw WTS forum, some player offering free draught. One thread mentioned their stock 50k bottles or something. I know grindfest and arena dropping this but how do you get so many?
Is it by training Scavenger? I'm currently at 10/50. When it start giving surplus?
Playing as dual wielding, 50% parry at Nintendo difficulty.
First you need to take all the free draught and potions out there. Then Play on lower difficulty until level 200 (maybe?). I had like 1200 H draught and 800 M draught when I reached level 200 (normal difficulty until then (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) ). Now I have around 7k and 6k, respectively. I think those numbers are normal for high level players This post has been edited by lololo16: Jul 26 2017, 08:33
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Jul 26 2017, 10:38
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KitsuneAbby
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QUOTE(goldenshower @ Jul 26 2017, 07:57)  I saw WTS forum, some player offering free draught. One thread mentioned their stock 50k bottles or something. I know grindfest and arena dropping this but how do you get so many?
Is it by training Scavenger? I'm currently at 10/50. When it start giving surplus?
Playing as dual wielding, 50% parry at Nintendo difficulty.
Actually, Scavenger doesn't have that much of an influence. The monster's PL they're facing does: https://ehwiki.org/wiki/Loot_Drop_Rolls#Inc...ed_Drop_ChancesAside from this, they're also facing many, many more monsters than you do, and they probably don't use as many draughts as you do.
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Jul 26 2017, 10:53
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Sapo84
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QUOTE(decondelite @ Jul 26 2017, 10:38)  don't use as many draughts as you do.
I wouldn't be so sure, apart from SG arenas (where I skip health draughts unless 3 SGs are in the field) I'm always using draughts. The fact is that for mages draughts drop faster than they can use them (apart from SP draughts), so it's very easy to have thousands unused draughts around. Melee usually use even less draughts so the difference is even bigger (but most grinders go mage so I'm pretty sure most of the draughts come from mages)
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Jul 26 2017, 14:28
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KitsuneAbby
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Interesting. It's true that I tend to sink draughts like hell when playing mage, but I thought that with gear better than mine they wouldn't be necessary anymore. The rule about monsters PL remains true though.
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Jul 26 2017, 16:49
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Ass Spanker
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QUOTE(lololo16 @ Jul 26 2017, 08:32)  First you need to take all the free draught and potions out there. Then Play on lower difficulty until level 200 (maybe?). I had like 1200 H draught and 800 M draught when I reached level 200 (normal difficulty until then (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) ). Now I have around 7k and 6k, respectively. I think those numbers are normal for high level players Draughts are dirt cheap. I bought 30k at a time and buy more when I run out (at 5k). But it has been several months and I still have 20k hp, 8k mp and 36k sp left.
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Jul 26 2017, 17:38
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SidZBear
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QUOTE(Sapo84 @ Jul 26 2017, 01:53)  I wouldn't be so sure, apart from SG arenas (where I skip health draughts unless 3 SGs are in the field) I'm always using draughts. The fact is that for mages draughts drop faster than they can use them (apart from SP draughts), so it's very easy to have thousands unused draughts around.
Melee usually use even less draughts so the difference is even bigger (but most grinders go mage so I'm pretty sure most of the draughts come from mages)
I'm the opposite :/ i might use 3 of each draught on an 90 rounds Legendary IW on PFUDOR SG arenas though, I use 40 or 50
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Jul 26 2017, 18:12
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Sapo84
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QUOTE(SidZBear @ Jul 26 2017, 17:38)  I'm the opposite :/ i might use 3 of each draught on an 90 rounds Legendary IW on PFUDOR
SG arenas though, I use 40 or 50
I don't think you are using HP draughts at all since you are a 1H player. Mana draughts are always on for mages since they are much more cost-effective than potions and elixirs (so the higher the turns the higher the usage.
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Jul 26 2017, 19:46
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SidZBear
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QUOTE(Sapo84 @ Jul 26 2017, 09:12)  I don't think you are using HP draughts at all since you are a 1H player. Mana draughts are always on for mages since they are much more cost-effective than potions and elixirs (so the higher the turns the higher the usage.
I use them out of habit... I typical just hit F1 F2 F5 and go on with my day. it takes thought to not use health. Also, since they are basically worthless, why not? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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Jul 26 2017, 20:39
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KitsuneAbby
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QUOTE(SidZBear @ Jul 26 2017, 19:46)  I use them out of habit... I typical just hit F1 F2 F5 and go on with my day. it takes thought to not use health. Also, since they are basically worthless, why not? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) If I do that 100% of the time I eventually run out of draughts. And what's more stupid than resorting to buy draughts? Even without considering this, using draughts is losing time to use items instead of killing mobs. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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Jul 26 2017, 22:06
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Sapo84
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QUOTE(decondelite @ Jul 26 2017, 20:39)  Even without considering this, using draughts is losing time to use items instead of killing mobs. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) Pretty much, if I remember correctly the opportunity cost of a single turn is pretty high compared to the value of a draught (so the credit loss actually comes from needing 1 more turn to complete the arena).
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Jul 27 2017, 00:49
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Chronos0510
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Can I double post for buy items?
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Jul 27 2017, 03:05
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Ass Spanker
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QUOTE(Chronos0510 @ Jul 27 2017, 00:49)  Can I double post for buy items?
Just edit your post. I don't think another one is necessary unless the shop has sent you your items already.
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Jul 27 2017, 05:58
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manga522
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chaotic thoughts (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) how to reduce the time costs of the battle within one-hand style 1 fast page loading 2 powerful gears 3 forge 4 tactic skills 5 luck and more?
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Jul 27 2017, 06:20
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Basara Nekki
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QUOTE(manga522 @ Jul 27 2017, 00:58)  chaotic thoughts (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) how to reduce the time costs of the battle within one-hand style 1 fast page loading 2 powerful gears 3 forge 4 tactic skills 5 luck and more? 6 Scripts 7 Hath Perks 8 Faster internet 9 More powerful computer And all this, not necessarily in that order. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) Did I forget something? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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