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Apr 21 2017, 06:08
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Superlatanium
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That's probably a good place to stop unless you're planning to grind a whole lot in the future and don't have anything else to spend on.
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Apr 21 2017, 09:35
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Kira.Yoshikage
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I understand,thanks.
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Apr 21 2017, 14:38
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chronkas
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today i obtained orbital friendship cannon. if i want to keep it - do i need to always keep 21 figurines or can i shrine them or sell? in case i shrine them will OFC disapear or not? thx
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Apr 21 2017, 14:59
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Scremaz
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QUOTE(chronkas @ Apr 21 2017, 14:38)  today i obtained orbital friendship cannon. if i want to keep it - do i need to always keep 21 figurines or can i shrine them or sell? in case i shrine them will OFC disapear or not? thx
yes and yes. you have to keep them, and they have to be 21 different ones.
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Apr 21 2017, 16:08
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PersonaFan08
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I'm thinking about creating a separate persona exclusively for becoming a wind mage after I reach over level 400.
My question is about what kind of staff do I need?
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Apr 21 2017, 16:16
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Scremaz
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QUOTE(PersonaFan08 @ Apr 21 2017, 16:08)  I'm thinking about creating a separate persona exclusively for becoming a wind mage after I reach over level 400.
My question is about what kind of staff do I need?
aim for a tempestuous willow of destruction, if you can. if you can't, then... probably a tempestuous redwood of destruction?
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Apr 21 2017, 18:33
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Muddybug
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I have a free persona slot, and perhaps around 320ish, was thinking of throwing all my accumulated mage stuff into that slot and see what I could do with it.
The real question is if there is any value in a casual (not hard core spend millions) mage persona, perhaps as a way to hoover up some low level runs into arenas/grindfests, or would even a heckfest require a significant investment?
thx in advance.
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Apr 21 2017, 18:46
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Scremaz
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QUOTE(dmyers59 @ Apr 21 2017, 18:33)  I have a free persona slot, and perhaps around 320ish, was thinking of throwing all my accumulated mage stuff into that slot and see what I could do with it.
The real question is if there is any value in a casual (not hard core spend millions) mage persona, perhaps as a way to hoover up some low level runs into arenas/grindfests, or would even a heckfest require a significant investment?
thx in advance.
i have a holy mage persona which i seldom use to farm SG trophies. i guess i assembled it with, uh... less than 1M for sure and only the staff is IWed. at hard is sort of a walk in the park and i may be able to clear all rounds within 2~10 turns (depending on the amount of SGs, whether i remember to cast Imperil, Arcane Focus is active, etc etc). eventually i was able to go even at hell, but the surplus time and the amount of spells to recast weren't worth the effort. and arenas are significantly easier than GF/IW, afaik especially if you're thinking about switching to full mage, i suggest you to build a low-budget build in a new persona just to test it by yourself. no need for fancy gears, just Mag-grades may be enough.
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Apr 21 2017, 19:06
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Muddybug
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Some Notes on OFC and fighting PFUDOR in the high 200s (265+).
Using cash I gained from Arenas and Ring of Blood and selling Energy drinks gotten from Easter Fruits, I gained a few things.
The biggest I got was the Orbital Friendship Cannon.
After fighting using the OFC, the OFC failed enough that I found on REs, I could do IWTBH without the OFC. You'll need Power Armor (Protection/Slaughter), the best you can get, a IW10 weapon (best you can get pref Rapier), and a willingness to cast plenty heals. It would be slow but you can grind down a RE without the OFC.
PFUDOR, at this level is impossible without the OFC. But it can be done. You will die sometimes. be warned.
The warmup phase I've been using goes..
health and mana draught, then haste. regen, and hope you get a free mage cast, which gets used on heartseeker. else, protection, mana potion, and heartseeker. freebies after heartseeker would go to veil.
The hit till 200, healing when you should. I have HV Slim Stats set to Reloader warning levels (35% health, 25% mana iirc). When you're past 210% Over, click Spirit and use OFC.
Lots of things can go wrong in this stage. The last time I tried, I got a "biribiri" after I turned on Spirit. As I healed, Over dropped below 210% so had to turn Spirit off and rise again.
Then the cannon needs to be lucky, cause sometimes, more survive than die. If most survive with 50+% health you're in a bad way.
OFC failure usually involve you missing that the Over is over 200 but less than 210. It will turn active over 200 but using spirit costs 10 over so you have the be aware of that. Things like heals over other actions that delay the shot can take you below that 210 mark, and the cannon fails to fire.
Afterwards, your stats are pretty torn up. You don't have a lot of spirit or mana, you have maybe a 50-60% chance of having used an Elixir, and a mana potion is in the mix at some point.
NOTE - biribiri is what HV Slim Stats called a one shot "kill".
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Apr 21 2017, 19:46
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Muddybug
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QUOTE(Adrixer @ Apr 21 2017, 13:37)  Thanks dmyers59 it help me a lot (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) ( I know it's late reply so don't bother (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) please ) There are a number of free shops in WTS. Visit all of them if you can. Some give away equipment, others potions and draughts. Nanoha Prayer gives away a good draught selection, but only once a week. Good to remember him on Saturday.
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Apr 21 2017, 20:08
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friggo
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In regards to doing REs at low level (under 300), I have a slightly different approach compared to dmyers59, but it mostly works out fine. First, I don't have OFC (yet), so I just have to kill the monsters in the old-fashioned way. I've also recently started using Reloader + Cracklingcast and they do make everything a lot smoother and convenient (as well as much quicker), so I definitely recommend using them. So, back to doing REs. I've steadily raised the difficulty for REs and I've now been doing them on PFUDOR for almost a week (died 2-3 times due to not noticing my Spark of Life was down). I used the hath I had traded for in the hath exchange to purchase two levels of Innate Arcana and using Protection and Spark of Life, which both help a great deal. When the RE begins, I also use draughts as the first thing, then cast Regen (and Heartseeker if channeling procs). I then use a bunch of deprecating spells (Weaken, Drain, Silence) to shut down some of the monsters, then start attacking (I usually activate spirit stance as soon as possible) and spam Cure, Full-Cure and health potions to survive. I might need to purchase another item slot to also include health elixirs and save hath for 3rd innate arcana slot (for Spirit Shield), but so far it's been okay-ish (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) This post has been edited by friggo: Apr 21 2017, 20:09
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Apr 22 2017, 02:13
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Superlatanium
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QUOTE(friggo @ Apr 21 2017, 18:08)  I used the hath I had traded for in the hath exchange to purchase two levels of Innate Arcana and using Protection and Spark of Life, which both help a great deal. When the RE begins, I also use draughts as the first thing, then cast Regen (and Heartseeker if channeling procs). Protection has the lowest priority for IA, since it has low MP cost and a long duration. Occasional REs are nice but the real way to gain XP and profit is by playing battle series.
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Apr 22 2017, 02:24
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Muddybug
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Apr 21 2017, 20:13)  Protection has the lowest priority for IA, since it has low MP cost and a long duration.
Occasional REs are nice but the real way to gain XP and profit is by playing battle series.
I'll use protection on IA2 on Hell or less, because at most you'll be one shotted once in a series and SoL is enough for that. Then you're left casting Regen, or maybe Regen and Haste, over and over. battle series? Is that something like friggo versus Kisaku the Letch?
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Apr 22 2017, 02:27
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Superlatanium
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QUOTE(dmyers59 @ Apr 22 2017, 00:24)  I'll use protection on IA2 on Hell or less, because at most you'll be one shotted once in a series and SoL is enough for that. Then you're left casting Regen, or maybe Regen and Haste, over and over. Never skip Haste, and for players over ~260, never skip Spirit Shield if it occasionally absorbs some spirit damage. Protection has much lower IA priority than both. SV also has higher IA priority than Protection for anyone non-1h, or for 1h who still have trouble with incoming damage. QUOTE(dmyers59 @ Apr 22 2017, 00:24)  battle series? Is that something like friggo versus Kisaku the Letch? Battle series: pretty much anything other than REs and RoB.
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Apr 22 2017, 02:31
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Scremaz
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QUOTE(dmyers59 @ Apr 22 2017, 02:24)  I'll use protection on IA2 on Hell or less, because at most you'll be one shotted once in a series and SoL is enough for that. Then you're left casting Regen, or maybe Regen and Haste, over and over.
no spirit shield at your level?
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Apr 22 2017, 02:35
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Juggernaut Santa
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If you play 1H, there is only one way: IA3: Protection, Spirit Shield and Spark. You shouldn't need haste, unless you play 50+ rounds IW or Pfudorfests. Even at lv 250. Unless you have superior gear of course.
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Apr 22 2017, 02:43
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Scremaz
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QUOTE(End Of All Hope @ Apr 22 2017, 02:35)  If you play 1H, there is only one way: IA3: Protection, Spirit Shield and Spark.
^ ofc IA4 and IA5 can still be purchased, but since they will remain unassigned they will only lower upkeep mana cost - therefore purchase them only if you need them for other builds.
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Apr 22 2017, 02:48
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Muddybug
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Apr 21 2017, 20:31)  no spirit shield at your level?
SoL arrives around 100, and Spirit Shield at 200. I use Spirit Shield on IA2 for higher difficulties, but it's not needed on Hell.
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Apr 22 2017, 02:50
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Superlatanium
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QUOTE(End Of All Hope @ Apr 22 2017, 00:35)  If you play 1H, there is only one way: IA3: Protection, Spirit Shield and Spark. You shouldn't need haste, unless you play 50+ rounds IW or Pfudorfests. Even at lv 250. Haste remains useful for quite a while; incoming damage is high enough to be annoying (or dangerous) for some time, and I think only after that is dropping Haste justified. I'm not sure where the line is, but I'm pretty sure it's past 300 (when players generally don't have any gear worth keeping, nor forging on anything).
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