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post Mar 24 2017, 00:11
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Mar 23 2017, 23:02) *

I have checked with people with gears that they are known to have but haven't posted on the forum, and everything I've found points to Lmin and Lmax for all gears of the same type to be the same across elements.

yes, i know. it has been this way for all the other patches, afaik. plus, what would be the point to have all the same P values but different Lmins? considering how those rolls are calculated, using the same multiplier and such for the same stat (ie EDB) all over the place (including on melee weapons) is way more logic to have the same ranges rather than inserting random 1% variations here and there.

btw, i guess that once a certain min roll is discovered on one EDB, all the other EDBs may be modified accordingly. just saying.

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post Mar 24 2017, 02:24
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QUOTE(sigo8 @ Mar 23 2017, 12:58) *

Metabolism, Inspiration, That's Good Eatin': RoI is horrible. I calculated that TGE would take ~3 years to pay off with a full lab (whether you have a gold star is irrelevant because total upkeep is the same).

Extra Strength Formula: RoI is approximately never, you want to feed monster as soon as then turn yellow.

Crystarium I, Tokenizer I: are only good if you do grindfests

Ah, okay that sucks. I guess I'll dump more credits into scavenger, LotD, Quartermaster and Archaeologist.

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post Mar 24 2017, 04:57
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Can elemental mage be played (well) without imperil if you have enough elemental prof, or is it still not a good idea?
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post Mar 24 2017, 05:45
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QUOTE(Drksrpnt @ Mar 24 2017, 02:57) *
Can elemental mage be played (well) without imperil if you have enough elemental prof, or is it still not a good idea?
It's possible, but with the EDB you'll be giving up, you'll probably be 10-20% less effective than if you invested the same amount into Holy or Dark mage gears. (random numbers I just made up, but it's something like that. depends on damage output)
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post Mar 24 2017, 05:48
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Mar 23 2017, 23:45) *

It's possible, but with the EDB you'll be giving up, you'll probably be 10-20% less effective than if you invested the same amount into Holy or Dark mage gears. (random numbers I just made up, but it's something like that. depends on damage output)


Interesting, thanks.
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post Mar 24 2017, 18:05
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About blood token, does it drop from random fight? I think I only get it from arena clear bonus so far.
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post Mar 24 2017, 18:10
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QUOTE(qac. @ Mar 24 2017, 11:05) *

About blood token, does it drop from random fight? I think I only get it from arena clear bonus so far.

yep, chaos and blood token can drop anytime, but there's a very low chance
btw be careful not to double post, it occurs when you double click the "add reply" button
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post Mar 24 2017, 18:51
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Why is fire usually people's least favorite elemental mage style? Also, why does electric seem to be the best?

I don't know anything about mage so it's just kind of interesting to me.
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post Mar 24 2017, 19:48
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QUOTE(Drksrpnt @ Mar 24 2017, 17:51) *

Why is fire usually people's least favorite elemental mage style? Also, why does electric seem to be the best?

I don't know anything about mage so it's just kind of interesting to me.

In theory, there are a lot more monsters strong against Fire element than there are for the other elements. This is why people don't really like fire mage.

In practice however, elemental mages reduce monster mitigation with Imperil anyways, so the difference between elements for a properly geared mage isn't actually noticeable.

The only exception is Elec mage, which has a slight advantage over the other types, because it is the only element with an offensive element specific proc. This is also, incidentally, why Holy is more popular than Dark.
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post Mar 24 2017, 19:49
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QUOTE(Raye_Terse @ Mar 24 2017, 13:48) *

In theory, there are a lot more monsters strong against Fire element than there are for the other elements. This is why people don't really like fire mage.

In practice however, elemental mages reduce monster mitigation with Imperil anyways, so the difference between elements for a properly geared mage isn't actually noticeable.

The only exception is Elec mage, which has a slight advantage over the other types, because it is the only element with an offensive element specific proc. This is also, incidentally, why Holy is more popular than Dark.


Ohhh that's actually really cool, neat.
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post Mar 24 2017, 19:58
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Oh, and there's one thing I forgot to mention. The type of staff the different elements use also matters. Willow staff is generally considered better than Redwood, and the only elements what can use Willow are Elec and Wind. So that's one reason those two are more popular than Fire and Cold.
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post Mar 24 2017, 21:44
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QUOTE(Raye_Terse @ Mar 24 2017, 18:58) *

Oh, and there's one thing I forgot to mention. The type of staff the different elements use also matters. Willow staff is generally considered better than Redwood, and the only elements what can use Willow are Elec and Wind. So that's one reason those two are more popular than Fire and Cold.


True, but I know for sure that cold works quite well.
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post Mar 25 2017, 00:27
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QUOTE(DJNoni @ Mar 25 2017, 03:44) *

True, but I know for sure that cold works quite well.

Hooray for Ice Mages (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Anyway, like Raye_Terse said, it's barely noticeable in practice thanks to imperil :>

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post Mar 25 2017, 00:35
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QUOTE(-Shun- @ Mar 24 2017, 23:27) *

Hooray for Ice Mages (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Anyway, like Super said, it's barely noticeable in practice thanks to imperil :>

if sssss2 datas are still valid, all elemental mages are basically tied regardless imperil or not. what changes is that with imperil they are better than holy/dark - speaking about fests, so maybe the last thing may be different on SGs.
but still, differences are quite low overall.
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post Mar 25 2017, 01:01
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QUOTE(-Shun- @ Mar 24 2017, 23:27) *

Anyway, like Super said, it's barely noticeable in practice thanks to imperil :>

Hmm
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post Mar 25 2017, 01:06
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QUOTE(Raye_Terse @ Mar 25 2017, 07:01) *

Whoops I'm going blind again (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

Guess I need some coffee (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

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post Mar 25 2017, 01:15
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QUOTE(-Shun- @ Mar 25 2017, 00:06) *

Whoops I'm going blind again (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

Guess I need some coffee (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Nah, I just have a forgettable face. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Mar 25 2017, 01:30
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For elemental mages, it depends on the difficulty.

On high difficulty, IWBTH in particular, Imperil style really shines. And if you're using Imperil, then Willow is the best option, hands-down, which means your choices are between Elec and Wind. (wind is probably better by a tiny fraction) On the other hand, you can play without Imperil, generally on low difficulty; Redwood will probably perform better than Willow in that case. (high elemental prof, lower (wasted) depreciating prof)

It's true that elemental mages playing without Imperil are doing it suboptimally anyway (holy or dark will be significantly better at it), but that's a different issue.

I don't think Redwood is innately less desirable than Willow. It depends on the situation.
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post Mar 25 2017, 03:47
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post Mar 25 2017, 04:20
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At 10m in trophies, does everyone get a peerless, or is that just FOS?

Just FoS.
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