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post Mar 11 2017, 04:57
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QUOTE(-Shun- @ Mar 11 2017, 12:04) *

You could also skip it and play on hell/nintendo for a bit until you have enough ability points to spare. You can also increase ability points by leveling up Ability Boost under Training.

Also, don't forget there's people who give away mana draughts for free for players at your level so check WTS threads for those shops. Speaking of mana use, if you're casting buffs while Spirit Stance is on, you'll only use 75% of the total mana cost for said buffs.


Meh still stuck in Hellish, Nitendo may destroy me when more than 5, IWBTH can rekted me in very high chance, and generally its a duel to the death when I go PFUDOR one on one. Hell itself will do me in if i keyboard happy and forgot to heal. (Dang SS still blocking 200+ dmg out of 6k and chew hundreds of spirit points off.)

Anyway, need to price check a few things based on market, price do change but I wish to know general range of these items:
Mana draught: 8-10c?
Spirit draught: 13-19c?
Mana Potion: 85-90c?
Spirit Potion: nearing 200c?
and then Scrap Clothes and Scrap Metal, I think those are 80-100-ish c.
Hope I am correct.
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post Mar 11 2017, 05:06
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QUOTE(revivesaber @ Mar 11 2017, 02:57) *
Mana draught: 8-10c?
Spirit draught: 13-19c?
Mana Potion: 85-90c?
Spirit Potion: nearing 200c?
and then Scrap Clothes and Scrap Metal, I think those are 80-100-ish c.
Hope I am correct.
Generally less, check SmartSearch for exact numbers
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post Mar 11 2017, 05:31
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QUOTE(-Shun- @ Mar 11 2017, 04:04) *

You could also skip it and play on hell/nintendo for a bit until you have enough ability points to spare. You can also increase ability points by leveling up Ability Boost under Training.

Also, don't forget there's people who give away mana draughts for free for players at your level so check WTS threads for those shops. Speaking of mana use, if you're casting buffs while Spirit Stance is on, you'll only use 75% of the total mana cost for said buffs.


oh the number of draughts/pots isn't a problem, I'm just hitting the hard limit of amount of mana that can be regained in a number of turns.

It's especially a problem when overcharge runs out and you're facing down 7 nintendo enemies. Seems like I just can't get the DPS to make a dent in those groups without spamming cure (currently using soulfused sup longsword of slaughter, hollowforged with pretty favorable potency roles). Oh well, I'll just have to pray for a bomb-ass ethereal to drop at some point.
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post Mar 11 2017, 07:48
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QUOTE(dontmesswithduke @ Mar 11 2017, 11:31) *

oh the number of draughts/pots isn't a problem, I'm just hitting the hard limit of amount of mana that can be regained in a number of turns.

It's especially a problem when overcharge runs out and you're facing down 7 nintendo enemies. Seems like I just can't get the DPS to make a dent in those groups without spamming cure (currently using soulfused sup longsword of slaughter, hollowforged with pretty favorable potency roles). Oh well, I'll just have to pray for a bomb-ass ethereal to drop at some point.

Buy the Innate Arcana Hath perk if you haven't yet. Lessens mana consumed by allocating buffs to innate arcana slots. They'll be auto casted at the start with no mana reduced and you'll mostly see like... 1 or 2 mana spent per turn which is easy to circumvent using draughts.

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post Mar 11 2017, 09:02
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QUOTE(dontmesswithduke @ Mar 11 2017, 04:31) *

oh the number of draughts/pots isn't a problem, I'm just hitting the hard limit of amount of mana that can be regained in a number of turns.

It's especially a problem when overcharge runs out and you're facing down 7 nintendo enemies. Seems like I just can't get the DPS to make a dent in those groups without spamming cure (currently using soulfused sup longsword of slaughter, hollowforged with pretty favorable potency roles). Oh well, I'll just have to pray for a bomb-ass ethereal to drop at some point.


Hi Duke, if you are really just going for the credits, I wonder is playing IWBTH or PFUDOR is the right choice at your level? You can use the Income Summary script (are you using scripts already?) to compare the results on each difficulty. If you want to keep playing after you got your gallery download, then you need to re-invest most of the credits back into gear. And ponies for the OFC.
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post Mar 11 2017, 11:55
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QUOTE(-Shun- @ Mar 11 2017, 02:55) *

Salvage crude, fair and average gear for materials which you'll most likely use or maybe sell to other players later on.


Salvaging not rare average gear is bad idea in half of times because market price usually lower than bazaar price + you have to know that 200c and lower gear in bazaar = 2 scrap (lose credits) while 201c and higher gear = 3 scrap (win some to a certain point)
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post Mar 11 2017, 12:26
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About the salvage/sell

Average an below always give X scrap, where X is the sell price/100 rounded up. So you always get more Scrap than you could buy with the credits you get.

Nonetheless I sell those items for prices between 160 and 200 anyway

Superior gives 1 LG Material + Scrap equaling price/500 rounded up. So superior gear that is worth less than 300 is still salvaged in my case (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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post Mar 11 2017, 13:02
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just curious.
what reward will we get if we finish grindfest 1000 round?
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post Mar 11 2017, 13:05
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QUOTE(k1r4y4m4t0 @ Mar 11 2017, 12:02) *

just curious.
what reward will we get if we finish grindfest 1000 round?

5k iirc
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post Mar 11 2017, 13:08
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Mar 11 2017, 11:05) *
5k iirc
yeah, that's all. The primary benefit is the crystals/tokens/items dropped while grinding
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post Mar 11 2017, 13:14
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excuse me,

is tokenizer I any good?

or you need tokenizer III to actually see the difference ?
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post Mar 11 2017, 13:17
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QUOTE(diegodiego13 @ Mar 11 2017, 22:14) *

excuse me,

is tokenizer I any good?

or you need tokenizer III to actually see the difference ?


Do you play a lot of Grindfest? It only applies to Monster drops, so it won't affect the daily tokens rewards you get from arenas.
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post Mar 11 2017, 13:19
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QUOTE(kyouri @ Mar 11 2017, 18:17) *

Do you play a lot of Grindfest? It only applies to Monster drops, so it won't affect the daily tokens rewards you get from arenas.


well not grindfest, but all sg arenas + 100 and 90 rounds arena.
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post Mar 11 2017, 13:30
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QUOTE(diegodiego13 @ Mar 11 2017, 22:19) *

well not grindfest, but all sg arenas + 100 and 90 rounds arena.

Look at the amount of you get daily subtract round clear rewards multiplied by tokenizer bonus multiplier. Imo, I'd say its not worth as the major bottleneck for monster lab is crystal packs, a large army of low level monster does not generate consistent income as its largely RNG. Oh and due to the nature of SG arenas you'll see the less effect in those, only the 150 one is worth doing (imo) due to the guaranteed mag* minimum quality equipment roll unless you are focused on gaining exp.
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post Mar 11 2017, 13:36
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QUOTE(diegodiego13 @ Mar 11 2017, 12:19) *

well not grindfest, but all sg arenas + 100 and 90 rounds arena.


I'd say that that's not enough for tokenizer to be interesting. My advice would be to spend the credits/hath on stuff that give you faster clear spead first. Then when you have time to do fest, you can consider cryst and tokenizer persk.
Get Demon Duality or elemental & deprecating perk for mage, or just super great gear.
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post Mar 11 2017, 14:06
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QUOTE(diegodiego13 @ Mar 11 2017, 12:19) *

well not grindfest, but all sg arenas + 100 and 90 rounds arena.

given that the major token incoming from arenas is the clear bonus, i'd say to spare your hath for something else. but i don't have any tokenizer bonus, so...
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post Mar 11 2017, 14:15
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Ok, i cooled down a bit so i need some advice for a Dual Wield Stance.

In long term i want to get a better Dual Wield built, in short term i will also try to go one-hand but i'm working on it, i will ask better advice on that in some time, for the moment i want to know better for DW.

First, those are my stats: [ibb.co] https://ibb.co/c8dnwF
Good or how to change them?

Second, my equipment.

1) Weaons: I know i have to pass at "of Slaughter" on main hand but is better to remain Club+Rapier or go Rapier of Slaughter (preferibly Ethereal) + Wakizashi of Swiftness\Nimble?

2) Armor: I know i have to search for Legendary\Peerless Savage Shade *** Of The Shadowdancer (for all pieces).

Acceptable alternative Prefix and Suffix.

Other Idea?

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post Mar 11 2017, 14:31
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QUOTE(Maharid @ Mar 11 2017, 13:15) *

In long term i want to get a better Dual Wield built, in short term i will also try to go one-hand but i'm working on it, i will ask better advice on that in some time, for the moment i want to know better for DW.

First, those are my stats: [ibb.co] https://ibb.co/c8dnwF
Good or how to change them?

more WIS. keep all your stats even except INT. INT can be kept at that point. it will be useful even if you want to use the same persona for 1H build.

QUOTE(Maharid @ Mar 11 2017, 13:15) *

Second, my equipment.

1) Weaons: I know i have to pass at "of Slaughter" on main hand but is better to remain Club+Rapier or go Rapier of Slaughter (preferibly Ethereal) + Wakizashi of Swiftness\Nimble?

both Rapier of Slaughter/Waki of Nimble and Club of Slaughter/Rapier of Balance~Nimble are viable. they don't actually need to be ethereal, farming a bunch of feathers is fine anyways. Club has too high BUR to be canceled though, so Ethereal would be preferrable for that.
on short, first build is a bit more defensive and the second a bit more offensive. your call.

QUOTE(Maharid @ Mar 11 2017, 13:15) *

2) Armor: I know i have to search for Legendary\Peerless Savage Shade *** Of The Shadowdancer (for all pieces).

Acceptable alternative Prefix and Suffix.

i seriously suggest you to keep it as a long-term goal. and to limit yourself at Leg-grade. a hybrid build Savage of Fleet + whatever Shadowdancer will already be very good to start. but yep, get rid of those Leathers. even some 50k-grade Savage Negations just to fill the slots are fine


[edit]: oh, IA4 will help you here. as for potencies, try to aim for Fatality/Overpower on offhand and for whatever combo of Butcher/Fatality/Overpower on mainhand. it would be better if the strikes on the weapons were the same: you can IW the mainhand and then purchase the correspective offhand, for example. or in case they are both ethereal but with different strikes, your spike should match the mainhand.

if you're going to forge something, forge PABs, Crit on weapons (armors have a quite low roll, if present), Evade, Parry on weapons (especially on offhand). ADB on weapons, if you have spare bindings. all the other stats have less priority, but feel free to sink some credits if you already used the special component.

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post Mar 11 2017, 14:47
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a question about a build..

IF someone were to use a full set of ---agile shade---arcanist with a 2H mace slaughter.

will they have enough mana to play like a mage?
i mean using constant imperil.
will they have enough survivability ? (at least like a mage or maybe even better)
assuming agile prefix works like charged prefix and using mace to stun.

i dont have the funds to try out builds nor that im willing to test a melee build with my low t/s.
at least i want to know theoretically.
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post Mar 11 2017, 14:57
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@Scremaz: I just bough 1000 Feather Shards for 140k, now i have over 1200 of both Void and Feather shards so i'm good for a lot of time.

Ok, for weapon i will go for Club + Rapier cause i like them better unless i will get a realy good wakizashi from a drop.

Understod all the rest, i will get IA3 in a pair of weeks and after i'll keep up for IA4 (i have chosen Protection ad Haste for now, i find those two extremely useful to have immediatly and go with Shadow Veil for 3, Spark or Spirit Shield for 4 depending on the occasion).

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