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Noticed that for regular HV you're switching backbones here.
And for alt.HV you're staying with the same carrier.

Also, checked and milano50 and milano51 seem to be in the same location/interchangable

which means that with regular HV a further passage is done, right?

which means that with regular HV a further passage is done, right?

Sort of, the main issue is that these are big carriers, when they want to enter another ones network they have these really long contracts where they define how much it costs per bandwith and the priority and a lot of other stuff. Switching between these backbones is called peering iirc. (destroyed that memory with alcohol after the exam)

So the traffic you send through the other network sort of arrives as 2nd level citizen, possibly gets to wait a bit, gets thrown around in their own network until it exits towards the NL network. (regular HV)
Compared to staying in their own network, your traffic gets 1st class treatment and then gets sent of towards the NL net. (alt HV)
After reaching the NL net the "treatment" usually is the same, though alt.hv may have better connection towards the seabone backbone than regular hv has to the ntt backbone which would compound the problem.

Sort of, the main issue is that these are big carriers, when they want to enter another ones network they have these really long contracts where they define how much it costs per bandwith and the priority and a lot of other stuff. Switching between these backbones is called peering iirc. (destroyed that memory with alcohol after the exam)

So the traffic you send through the other network sort of arrives as 2nd level citizen, possibly gets to wait a bit, gets thrown around in their own network until it exits towards the NL network. (regular HV)
Compared to staying in their own network, your traffic gets 1st class treatment and then gets sent of towards the NL net. (alt HV)
After reaching the NL net the "treatment" usually is the same, though alt.hv may have better connection towards the seabone backbone than regular hv has to the ntt backbone which would compound the problem.

uh, pretty interesting. iirc i already checked a while ago and found that hv and alt-hv had similar performances. apart for daily problems, is it possible that these paths change over time? i mean, if i found that alt-hv is better than hv, can i change bookmarks in all safery? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

uh, pretty interesting. iirc i already checked a while ago and found that hv and alt-hv had similar performances. apart for daily problems, is it possible that these paths change over time? i mean, if i found that alt-hv is better than hv, can i change bookmarks in all safery? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Yeah, these paths do change regularly ...
Note: DC = data center

Your ISP is peering to Seabone
Seabone is peering to NTT
The HV DC peers with NTT but possibly not Seabone
But the alt.HV DC peers directly with Seabone and may or may not peer to NTT, but Seabone has the better route ...

In essence, these routes can change quite often (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
It's possible that your traffic might one day route through switzerland if it's cheaper for your ISP (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

Case in point, traffic towards a couple DC's in germany went through the US for a time as there are sort of two separate nets in germany and it was cheaper to route through the US to reach the other net than directly going that way.

// Edit: had to google that one ... think of Seabone as Telecom Italia (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

This post has been edited by simrock87: Feb 4 2017, 21:49

Yeah, these paths do change regularly ...
Note: DC = data center

Your ISP is peering to Seabone
Seabone is peering to NTT
The HV DC peers with NTT but possibly not Seabone
But the alt.HV DC peers directly with Seabone and may or may not peer to NTT, but Seabone has the better route ...

In essence, these routes can change quite often (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
It's possible that your traffic might one day route through switzerland if it's cheaper for your ISP (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

Case in point, traffic towards a couple DC's in germany went through the US for a time as there are sort of two separate nets in germany and it was cheaper to route through the US to reach the other net than directly going that way.

clear. it's a common problem. cheapest path isn't always the shortest one. either way, better to enjoy it while it lasts, uh?

Edit: had to google that one ... think of Seabone as Telecom Italia (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

oh, i was wondering in fact

//

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uh, PF T&T in 32 min. plus two chaos tokens and two artifacts. not completely useless, at least (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

In essence, these routes can change quite often (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
It's possible that your traffic might one day route through switzerland if it's cheaper for your ISP (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

Afaik it's not just ISP, it also depends on the datacenter.
The best one have predefined peerings from the datacenter to some of the interconnection points, so unless they get saturated the speed will vary only based on the routes choosen between the interchange.

Example:
(IMG:[www.ovh.com] https://www.ovh.com//us/images/dedicated/reseau-ovh-europe.jpg)

For some zone of Italy, but not for me.

t/s is not a good metric.
I can still get 3.5/3.6 with mage even if the ping is 20-30ms higher, it just feels a bit off.

This post has been edited by Sapo84: Feb 5 2017, 02:52

Those gigs on this map, are they Gigabytes or Gigabits?

Those gigs on this map, are they Gigabytes or Gigabits?

are there any countries apart Italy that joke so much with this difference? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

Well, yes.
In France it's very common to advertise your products with the biggest number possible (therefore with bits) to make them look great, while when you're confronted to the reality you find yourself with shit numbers in bytes.
ISPs in particular play that game quite a lot.
"ISP: Hey, your ADSL is 20 mega, it's awesome!
You: But I only ever get 1MB maximum when I download, if I'm lucky...
ISP: I said 20 mega BITS, and you're not guaranteed to get it.
You: ..."

I'm not even talking about the prices they practice, for the quality of their services and products.

Well, yes.
In France it's very common to advertise your products with the biggest number possible (therefore with bits) to make them look great, while when you're confronted to the reality you find yourself with shit numbers in bytes.
ISPs in particular play that game quite a lot.
"ISP: Hey, your ADSL is 20 mega, it's awesome!
You: But I only ever get 1MB maximum when I download, if I'm lucky...
ISP: I said 20 mega BITS, and you're not guaranteed to get it.
You: ..."

I'm not even talking about the prices they practice, for the quality of their services and products.

i have a strange feeling of deja-vu...

are there any countries apart Italy that joke so much with this difference? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

Here too. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

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20 mega bits should be 2.5 mega byte.
But usually browsers don't reach above around 1.1-1.2 mega byte/s. You have to use accelerators like JDownloader

20 mega bits should be 2.5 mega byte.
But usually browsers don't reach above around 1.1-1.2 mega byte/s. You have to use accelerators like JDownloader

I was talking about effective download rate. For my part I reach that 1.2MBps with P2P.

20 mega bits should be 2.5 mega byte.
But usually browsers don't reach above around 1.1-1.2 mega byte/s. You have to use accelerators like JDownloader

or torrent. btw, i noted that mega with 2-3 simultaneous downloads can actually saturate your bandwidth. just saying.

are there any countries apart Italy that joke so much with this difference? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

Western part of U.S., they used to side speak bits years back.
They reference bytes now, but play the "Up to" game like really hard core.

I have their "ultraawesomeOMGitsocoolBFGwatchmegopaymelotsyoubitch" package @ 100MB/s.
I consider myself lucky if I hit 45.

ping from instructions few pages back:

Western part of U.S., they used to side speak bits years back.
They reference bytes now, but play the "Up to" game like really hard core.

I have their "ultraawesomeOMGitsocoolBFGwatchmegopaymelotsyoubitch" package @ 100MB/s.
I consider myself lucky if I hit 45.

ping from instructions few pages back:

10 Mega here, and one of the lucky guys that actually reach said threshold. just did a speedtest, and it says:
ping = 32ms
DL = 9.91 Mbps
UL = 0.78 Mbps

actually, my line can even reach a bit more than 10M and keep them for a bit of time. at least from the DL point of view i cannot really complain (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Upload will always be shite with ADSL, that('s the ultimate truth.
I don't know about home fiber though.

10 Mega here, and one of the lucky guys that actually reach said threshold. just did a speedtest, and it says:
ping = 32ms
DL = 9.91 Mbps
UL = 0.78 Mbps

actually, my line can even reach a bit more than 10M and keep them for a bit of time. at least from the DL point of view i cannot really complain (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

And 10MB is more than enough.
I personally don't even need more than 1MB.
I rarely download anything anymore.. including from here.
i just play this game.

It's my wife and her streaming is the only reason.
She loves that netflix thing.

Where do you go to test your bandwidth?
Speakeasy just gave me this, which is a little higher than I'm used to seeing.



Edit: What? Check out the speed units! It shows a small "b".
The saga continues on the bit/Byte mania!! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)

This post has been edited by RoadShoe: Feb 5 2017, 21:15

And 10MB is more than enough.
I personally don't even need more than 1MB.
I rarely download anything anymore.. including from here.
i just play this game.

It's my wife and her streaming is the only reason.
She loves that netflix thing.

Where do you go to test your bandwidth?
Speakeasy just gave me this, which is a little higher than I'm used to seeing.



Edit: What? Check out the speed units! It shows a small "b".
The saga continues on the bit/Byte mania!! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)

Confirmed!


I don't have the "ultraawesomeOMGitsocoolBFGwatchmegopaymelotsyoubitch" package!

I have the "bendoverthistablebitchgotapresentforya" Package! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)

Ohhhhh.... Lawdy, Lawdy.. landsakesohmighty... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)