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post Feb 1 2017, 17:55
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QUOTE(issary @ Feb 1 2017, 23:40) *

And the final purpose for this game is porn,never forget this (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)


Would it be weird to say I just wanna play HV for the sake of the grind, big numbers, stat upgrades and the loot? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
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post Feb 1 2017, 18:05
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Feb 1 2017, 12:21) *

High-level rich player: "1.25 damage multiplier to 1.30 damage multiplier? Worth paying 50m credits for!"
Low-med level player: "A Legendary set to a level low enough for me to use? How rare, that's great for me, even though I can probably buy it for less than 500k!"

The things we do for higher numbers (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post Feb 1 2017, 19:29
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Ive been playing for a few days now and ive a few questions, but first im going to share my data

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Training:
Adept Learner -> 11
Abilities:
HP Tank -> 2
MP Tank -> 1
Better Protection -> 1

1.- Which fighting style and armor should i use? In the wiki i read about using leather/shade being melee but i just saw this post(before reading it i intended to be DW but didnt get those drops yet)
QUOTE(ArbiterErii @ Apr 15 2016, 12:59) *

And a few personal suggestions:
1. Always keep equipped with a full set of armor, for proficiency bonus in Abilities;
2. Don't be frugal on items, use them up (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) The same goes with supportive spells & Spirit Stance.
3. Though play style is a personal choice, I'd like to suggest: Play Rapier+Shield+Heavy at Early levels on Highest difficult that you can survive, especially random encounters.
And 2h+heavy is recommended < Lv100, according to an expert.


2.- Which scrolls should i use? (Ive just 1 free slot and ive not used any scroll yet)
(Ive swiftness, absorption, protection and of the avatar)

3.- Should i use points in better cure? Ive not regen yet, and some custom mobs hits hard

4.- How are my stats so far? should i change the way im investing my points?
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post Feb 1 2017, 19:31
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Here is my gear, i couldnt link it in my first post

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post Feb 1 2017, 19:45
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QUOTE(armokgob @ Feb 1 2017, 18:29) *

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QUOTE(armokgob @ Feb 1 2017, 18:31) *

Here is my gear, i couldnt link it in my first post

Weapon
Helmet
Body
Hands
Legs
Feet


For the first 150 or 200 levels, 2H + Light Armor probably works best. Use Leather Armors and a Mace (Stun effect) or Longsword (highest damage + DoT). Ideally a weapon with some kind of prefix (for Elemental Strike = more damage) and one of the following suffixes: Slaughter (higher damage) or Balance (higher Hit & Crit chance). Ideal armor for beginners is Leather of Protection, but any Leather piece will work.
After that, once surviving becomes an issue, switch to 1H + Heavy Armor (Rapier + Shield + Power Armors)

Just slot all the abilities from the "General" page, all those that belong to your weapon and armor type (Two-Handed + Light Armor) and the most important Supportive ones (Regen, Cure, Protection)

Scrolls shouldn't really be needed, but Shadow and Swiftness should work fairly well for Light Armor builds.

Also, never mix armor types (you are currently using Light + Cloth). Armor abilities only work while you are using a single type of armor (mixing Leather and Shade is possible).

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post Feb 1 2017, 19:49
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1. 1H (weapon and shield) or DW should be fine, (honestly, I think anything is alright, I was meleeing with an axe then switched to a staff with leather armor until ~level 76 before I permanently switched to Holy)

2. I don't think you need to use any scrolls, but when I was low lv I always slotted either a scroll of life or scroll of gods (whichever I had in stock)

3. Yes, Cure is absolutely essential no matter what style you are.

4. Stats seem allocated pretty solidly.

I see you've mixed leather and cloth, you'll want to complete a full set of leather (or shade) ASAP so you can gain light armor proficiency, grabbing averages from the bazaar should be fine, better yet, check out the Free Shops in the WTS subforum: https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showforum=77 ctrl-f "free", tons of equips and consumables for low level players for free!

I've never used the free shops for equips before but you can try something like https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showt...192528&st=0 (gives out starter packs, basically a full set of the style you're going for and a bunch of consumables) or https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showt...163637&st=0 and ask for a rapier and leather/shade armors, be sure to read the requirements of each Free Shop.

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post Feb 2 2017, 00:36
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QUOTE(akuma101 @ Feb 2 2017, 01:56) *

Is the parry formula in the wiki valid for DW. I tried it but it's only 'works' for a single weapon slot. By work I mean the calculations is the same as the stats page

I think this formula works for DW:
Parry = 1 - (1 - main_hand) * (1 - off_hand * 1.5) * (1 - DEX * 0.04%)
where DEX is the Effective Dexterity
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post Feb 2 2017, 00:45
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QUOTE(Rhydin @ Feb 1 2017, 20:45) *

QUOTE(ctaglack @ Feb 1 2017, 20:49) *


Thanks a lot, ill stick to leather then, ive another question: is absorb worth it? 17 mp seems to much to spend for the effect(unbuffed its hard to trigger) and just get 4mp back
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post Feb 2 2017, 01:03
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I'll be building a tank and seeing how it handles the grind-fest. I'd like to know what I should be focusing on to survive the later levels and mobs.
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post Feb 2 2017, 01:04
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QUOTE(orsys @ Feb 1 2017, 23:36) *

I think this formula works for DW:
Parry = 1 - (1 - main_hand) * (1 - off_hand * 1.5) * (1 - DEX * 0.04%)
where DEX is the Effective Dexterity

hmmm. nope. my set has an 88.1 Parry, but with your formula it would have 91.8. if only! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

QUOTE(armokgob @ Feb 1 2017, 23:45) *

Thanks a lot, ill stick to leather then, ive another question: is absorb worth it? 17 mp seems to much to spend for the effect(unbuffed its hard to trigger) and just get 4mp back

nah. if you really, really want to have it, use scrolls. 100% proc chance and dirty cheap. something like 20c each or so.
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post Feb 2 2017, 01:13
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Feb 2 2017, 10:04) *

hmmm. nope. my set has an 88.1 Parry, but with your formula it would have 91.8. if only! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
nah. if you really, really want to have it, use scrolls. 100% proc chance and dirty cheap. something like 20c each or so.


It worked for me with 24.54% main hand, 25.20% off hand, 385 effective dex
1-(1-0.2454)*(1-0.252*1.5)*(1-385*0.0004)=0.6029 when the stats page says 60.3%.
Could I see the numbers for yours?
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post Feb 2 2017, 01:18
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Tried now with a DW set and it's right (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
1 - ( 1 - 0.4371 ) * ( 1 - ( 0.4917 * 1.5 ) ) * ( 1 - ( 1020 * 0.0004 ) ) = 0.9125~
And the parry is 91.3% (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Feb 2 2017, 01:38
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QUOTE(orsys @ Feb 2 2017, 00:13) *

It worked for me with 24.54% main hand, 25.20% off hand, 385 effective dex
1-(1-0.2454)*(1-0.252*1.5)*(1-385*0.0004)=0.6029 when the stats page says 60.3%.
Could I see the numbers for yours?

29.65 mainhand
47.60 offhand
1016 effective DEX

[edit]: nvm, now it gives me 88.05 ~ 88.1, which is right. guess i mistype something.

tried it for 1H (29.65 mainhand, 1021 DEX, total parry = 58.38 ~ 58.4 ) and for mage (no weapons, 459 DEX, total parry = 18.36 ~ 18.4 ).
as for 2H (due to 2H parry ability) you have to add * ( 1 - (2H_prof * 0.25 / 10)/100 ).
as for niten, the 2H ability effect and the multiplier on offhand is 1 - and not 1.5.

well, it seems to work, thank you for your efforts. should we put this into wiki?

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post Feb 2 2017, 01:49
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QUOTE(orsys @ Feb 2 2017, 06:36) *

I think this formula works for DW:
Parry = 1 - (1 - main_hand) * (1 - off_hand * 1.5) * (1 - DEX * 0.04%)
where DEX is the Effective Dexterity

Your fomula works.

I inputted mine incorrectly
Parry = 1 - (1-(1 - main_hand) * (1 - off_hand * 1.5)) * (1 - DEX * 0.04%) . I assumed the equipment bonus in the derived atrribute works this way. Thanks for clearing this up.

Another question.
I upgraded my block chance to level 5, does it mean my base chance is increased by 5% or by For non-ADB/MDB factors: 1 + 0.2 * ln(0.1 * 5 + 1)=1.08

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post Feb 2 2017, 01:55
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Before that you have to fully forge everything...even full forge on the shoes is probably cheaper in matter of damage multiplier/expense (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
Agree, for the most part

I've spent maybe ~30m on gears and maybe 25m on forging (~3m sunk cost) and I seriously doubt additional investment will pay off.
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post Feb 2 2017, 01:58
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How do you figure out an Items ADB?
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post Feb 2 2017, 02:03
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QUOTE(High Rolla @ Feb 2 2017, 07:58) *

How do you figure out an Items ADB?


Hover over your weapon of choice, click C and in the new Windows, hover over the damage.
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post Feb 2 2017, 02:05
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QUOTE(akuma101 @ Feb 2 2017, 00:49) *

Another question.
I upgraded my block chance to level 5, does it mean my base chance is increased by 5% or by For non-ADB/MDB factors: 1 + 0.2 * ln(0.1 * 5 + 1)=1.08

1.08x, which means you'll earn 8%
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post Feb 2 2017, 02:10
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Feb 2 2017, 08:05) *

1.08x, which means you'll earn 8%

For my level, should I upgrade the block chance to what level? It's currently at 42.7%

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post Feb 2 2017, 02:11
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Feb 2 2017, 10:38) *
should we put this into wiki?

Someone other than me can put it in the wiki. I can't decide how to do it since the (off_hand * 1.5) is for DW (or 1H with main hand empty and a weapon in off hand) but not for Niten.
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