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post Jan 25 2017, 05:50
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QUOTE(diegodiego13 @ Jan 25 2017, 03:48) *
im just worried since now even on normal difficulties im starting to struggle.

its rare for me to 1shot things anymore. i cant stand the thought if i go lv 300+ i will end up 6++hits to kill normal mobs.
If that's the case, sounds like you're doing something seriously wrong. Use 1h, and with a rapier, you should be able to kill most monsters in ~5 hits or less on Hell.
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post Jan 25 2017, 05:51
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QUOTE(diegodiego13 @ Jan 25 2017, 10:41) *

thats the problem, if i keep playing highest diffuculty for me then i will level up in no time.

hence the question, is it a bad idea to just keep on leveling without preparing good gears?


It's up to your scheme. If you want to play at IWBTH/PFUDOR, yes, you need mag/leg gears with some forging.
Also you can look up in wts for legendary vanilla (resistance prefix) phases/cottons. They are cheap to get (50-200k)
For me I started mage around level 350, I started at normal difficulty (because I had no prof. and no good gears).

Edit: and like Superlatanium said at your level maging is hard.

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post Jan 25 2017, 05:53
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how about my stat? is it bad?
my equipment is on my sig.
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post Jan 25 2017, 05:55
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I see, you're holy mage at level 275. Yeah, that's just suicide, sorry. (this sort of situation is why 1h is generally recommended, otherwise play often gets extremely difficult)

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post Jan 25 2017, 05:59
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Jan 25 2017, 10:55) *

I see, you're holy mage at level 275. Yeah, that's just suicide, sorry. (this sort of situation is why 1h is generally recommended, otherwise play often gets extremely difficult)


usually i just go normal arenas so that i can grind-prof which is going quite nicely to be honest.

and IWBTH RE.
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post Jan 25 2017, 06:11
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usually i just go normal arenas so that i can grind-prof which is going quite nicely to be honest.

and IWBTH RE.


Mage is like a glass cannon. You need more defense and higher level of you spell abilities. Defense is go exponential with level and around level 400 your spell abilities are almost max. That why mage suit for high level. But if you aren't serious play, I think it's okay.
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post Jan 25 2017, 06:20
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QUOTE(arialinnoc @ Jan 25 2017, 11:11) *

Mage is like a glass cannon. You need more defense and higher level of you spell abilities. Defense is go exponential with level and around level 400 your spell abilities are almost max. That why mage suit for high level. But if you aren't serious play, I think it's okay.


im currently considering the 1h-mage option.
still trying to find a good weapon.

but so far im enjoying it because i cant exactly compare myself to what would i be if i go other builds.

tried 2h-power but my prof is so low it feels so sooo bad.
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post Jan 25 2017, 08:35
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QUOTE(diegodiego13 @ Jan 25 2017, 04:48) *

im just worried since now even on normal difficulties im starting to struggle.

its rare for me to 1shot things anymore. i cant stand the thought if i go lv 300+ i will end up 6++hits to kill normal mobs.


You chose the hard path of low-level mage. Now this is where you come to regret it, until about level 310-325 or so. You could buy gold star with real money, or switch to 1h heavy. If not, it goes on like this for a long while. Good luck!
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post Jan 25 2017, 08:41
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QUOTE(DJNoni @ Jan 25 2017, 06:35) *
You chose the hard path of low-level mage. Now this is where you come to regret it, until about level 310-325 or so. You could buy gold star with real money, or switch to 1h heavy. If not, it goes on like this for a long while. Good luck!
I think holy mage will remain quite difficult for quite a while longer, especially if he continues with no-Imperil style. Casting takes too long, and even with Legendary-tier gears, they'll need moderate forging for even low difficulties to not be such a pain.

1h holy mage, on the other hand, might be a decent solution (though it'll require Imperil, and for that to work out well he needs 310).
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post Jan 25 2017, 09:24
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Jan 25 2017, 13:41) *

I think holy mage will remain quite difficult for quite a while longer, especially if he continues with no-Imperil style. Casting takes too long, and even with Legendary-tier gears, they'll need moderate forging for even low difficulties to not be such a pain.

1h holy mage, on the other hand, might be a decent solution (though it'll require Imperil, and for that to work out well he needs 310).


im using imperil only on SG in high lv arena and RE.

for normal mobs i just smite em all. usually i can 1 shot some but mostly 2-5hit due to resisted spell.
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post Jan 25 2017, 10:53
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Started using scrolls for RE since the 0 action speed usually makes me avoid my spark of life activating immediately, which is the most cost effient/useful to use assuming i buff myself with every buff (except absorb and sometimes shadow veil if there is 5 mobs or less). Been using swiftness scrolls since that's always the very first buff i use. Also should i train the scholar of war ability if using 2 scrolls is cost efficient/ useful enough?
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post Jan 25 2017, 11:25
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QUOTE(abc12345678901 @ Jan 25 2017, 09:53) *

Started using scrolls for RE since the 0 action speed usually makes me avoid my spark of life activating immediately, which is the most cost effient/useful to use assuming i buff myself with every buff (except absorb and sometimes shadow veil if there is 5 mobs or less). Been using swiftness scrolls since that's always the very first buff i use. Also should i train the scholar of war ability if using 2 scrolls is cost efficient/ useful enough?


At your level, it may be better to invest in Inate Arcana hath perks, 1 or even 2. Those are a better deal than using scrolls, I think, and they have the 0 action speed too.

If you go 1h melee style, there is realy no need for any scrolls:
- protection will be your shield
- haste hinders parry
- SoL will almost never trigger (and should be on IA)
- Spirit shield is no scroll (and should be on IA)
- absorb is useless for anyone, period
- shadow veil isn't necesarry as you have block and parry

And all other styles are so hard at your level, you probably need to invest in gear and perks not scrolls.

But, what do I know? It's just a game.
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post Jan 25 2017, 11:41
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QUOTE(DJNoni @ Jan 25 2017, 11:25) *

At your level, it may be better to invest in Inate Arcana hath perks, 1 or even 2. Those are a better deal than using scrolls, I think, and they have the 0 action speed too.

If you go 1h melee style, there is realy no need for any scrolls:
- protection will be your shield
- haste hinders parry
- SoL will almost never trigger (and should be on IA)
- Spirit shield is no scroll (and should be on IA)
- absorb is useless for anyone, period
- shadow veil isn't necesarry as you have block and parry

And all other styles are so hard at your level, you probably need to invest in gear and perks not scrolls.

But, what do I know? It's just a game.

er isn't 50 hath like 250k credits or so (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) and drains mana? seems horribly non cost efficient unless I'm missing something. Also doing dark mage atm (yes i know, not good idea, but I like spamming magic (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) ) so not sure how that effects scroll choices.
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post Jan 25 2017, 12:16
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QUOTE(abc12345678901 @ Jan 25 2017, 17:41) *

er isn't 50 hath like 250k credits or so (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) and drains mana? seems horribly non cost efficient unless I'm missing something. Also doing dark mage atm (yes i know, not good idea, but I like spamming magic (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) ) so not sure how that effects scroll choices.

The mana drain is negligible for IA1 and mana draughts are cheap and easy to get. I'm at IA3 and I don't really have any problem with mana on 1h playstyle
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post Jan 25 2017, 12:17
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QUOTE(abc12345678901 @ Jan 25 2017, 16:41) *

er isn't 50 hath like 250k credits or so (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) and drains mana? seems horribly non cost efficient unless I'm missing something. Also doing dark mage atm (yes i know, not good idea, but I like spamming magic (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) ) so not sure how that effects scroll choices.


i was like you before getting innate arcana.. all scroll and stuffs.
as soon as i tried IA 1... everything changes.
now i got IA 3 almost no credits now, but best credits spent ever (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) .

and for mages i dont have any mana problem with IA.
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post Jan 25 2017, 12:23
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QUOTE(-Shun- @ Jan 25 2017, 12:16) *

The mana drain is negligible for IA1 and mana draughts are cheap and easy to get. I'm at IA3 and I don't really have any problem with mana on 1h playstyle

I do mage Playstlye though, and draughts help generate enough mana (along with either tap and channeling) so that i don't need to use potions even while spaming dark magic.

QUOTE(diegodiego13 @ Jan 25 2017, 12:17) *

i was like you before getting innate arcana.. all scroll and stuffs.
as soon as i tried IA 1... everything changes.
now i got IA 3 almost no credits now, but best credits spent ever (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) .

and for mages i dont have any mana problem with IA.

I kinda wanna know more details about IA then, because judging by scroll prices, IA1 is like 2k swiftness scrolls or more X.X, also how much % mana does IA1 drian?
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post Jan 25 2017, 12:26
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er isn't 50 hath like 250k credits or so (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

yes. but spells in autocast slot don't need to be casted manually, and will have sort of reduction cost. your return will be more safety and less potions used.

QUOTE(abc12345678901 @ Jan 25 2017, 10:41) *

and drains mana? seems horribly non cost efficient unless I'm missing something.

afaik all spells drain mana, afaik (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) you simply have to decide between mana upkeep (discounted as you raise your IA level) and a few hits to your mana tank every now and then. actually IA2 is one of the best purchases in the whole game, even for users with low incoming.

QUOTE(abc12345678901 @ Jan 25 2017, 10:41) *

Also doing dark mage atm (yes i know, not good idea, but I like spamming magic (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) ) so not sure how that effects scroll choices.

uhu. now, *this* is hugely non-cost efficient - maging at low levels, and holy/dark on top of that. 1H style would be more suggested at your level. and if you really, really like to spam spells, maybe some MC here and there? plus, cast spells on mobs affected by concussive strike as much as possible
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QUOTE(abc12345678901 @ Jan 25 2017, 11:23) *

I kinda wanna know more details about IA then, because judging by scroll prices, IA1 is like 2k swiftness scrolls or more X.X, also how much % mana does IA1 drian?

the cost of mana drained by IA spell depends on the level of IA, the spell(s) you slot and the usual things that the level of ability and your ITR. a few more infos here: https://ehwiki.org/wiki/Innate_Arcana#Auto-cast_Slots
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post Jan 25 2017, 12:48
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Jan 25 2017, 12:26) *

yes. but spells in autocast slot don't need to be casted manually, and will have sort of reduction cost. your return will be more safety and less potions used.
afaik all spells drain mana, afaik (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) you simply have to decide between mana upkeep (discounted as you raise your IA level) and a few hits to your mana tank every now and then. actually IA2 is one of the best purchases in the whole game, even for users with low incoming.
uhu. now, *this* is hugely non-cost efficient - maging at low levels, and holy/dark on top of that. 1H style would be more suggested at your level. and if you really, really like to spam spells, maybe some MC here and there? plus, cast spells on mobs affected by concussive strike as much as possible

I was talking about the mana upkeep draining magic.

As for the magic at low levels, right now i just use mana draughts, normaly doing the lv 200 arena i use between 1-2 mana potions the entire run (2x ether tap + mana draught gives me more mana back than i can use even spaming dark magic, and i always recast the mana costly buffs when i have a channeling effect, only time i really get low on mana is the boss fights since I'm not killing anymore for power ups or either tap abusing).

I guess is IA is really a good purchase then ill try to get the hath for it. Gonna need to start selling a lot of my stuff to afford it though.

Edit: ouch looked at the link, so It's effectively double mana minus the % reduction of the perk, though If i just recast them when i gain a channeling effect and only relay on the auto cast as an opener/when I'm unlucky with channeling/mystic power ups I can get around that i guess.

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post Jan 25 2017, 13:01
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IA is pretty much straight up advantage compared to casting yourself. Only disadvantage may be that you can't really remove the buffs unless your mana drops low enough. For Spark IA is amazing.

Cast spark = X mana. Immediately trigger = bye X mana.

IA spark = x mana/duration. Immediately trigger = bye small mana amount
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