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more scarecrows is good. aren't you happy enough to play memory? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Nothing wrong with that, since I am doing the same thing myself. I don't play enough or have the necessary perks to generate crystals and tokens to do otherwise. But for our resident big-spender like Roadshoe, he could probably do both. Create one or two holy terrors of HV and still have an army of straw dummies to farm mats. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Much faster to check, especially if you check a lot of different stuff.

and less updates, and more ambiguity. i used it a lot in the past. thanks but no thanks

So reforge when I get Penetrator and Eco? http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=51506552be

too high Eco, too low anything else. one level may still be tolerated, but not two at tier 4. reforge imo

I wish there was - which update was it that took the wind out of you-know-who's sails? Before the update, just about all large mob PFUDOR round was a potential death trap, now meh.

that was a good update, yep. for a brief moment i thought there was karma in this game (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Nothing wrong with that, since I am doing the same thing myself. I don't play enough or have the necessary perks to generate crystals and tokens to do otherwise. But for our resident big-spender like Roadshoe, he could probably do both. Create one or two holy terrors of HV and still have an army of straw dummies to farm mats. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

one or two more terrors aren't even worth mentioning. i'm fine enough unless a whole new army should appear just when we finally got rid (albeit only in part, but still a result) of the other one.

This post has been edited by Scremaz: Jan 16 2017, 21:07

So reforge when I get Penetrator and Eco? http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=51506552be

No, Penetrator is the potency you definitely want.
And Eco is not that bad (I would still go with spellweaver if possible because incoming damage for holy/dark is very high).
It also depends on what you want to play.
Hellfest I would say penetrator >>> archmage > annihilator > spellweaver > eco
On PFUDOR penetrator >>>>>>>>> spellweaver >> the others

+25% speed at PF means more counters for 1H players. So long as increasing monster strength from IW doesn't really threaten you, PF might turn out to be faster. It is of course highly individual and by no means the norm, but it is known to happen.

I don't think the difference is that big.
Also on PF there is higher chance of being parried so that's that too.

Obviously if you're lvl 450 with full forged slaughter or something like that there is 0 reason not to do prefer PFUDOR over IWBTH (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

What are the best staff potencies? Eco?

So reforge when I get Penetrator and Eco? http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=51506552be

If we have to be honest the mage staff gear has no wrongs when it comes to IW.
However if you are going to play at PF difficulty then PEN5 is a must.
Anihilator will be wasted in you since... i know you will max forged it so the crits will be overkills hence pointless.
We have magic boost / speel casting speed and lower mana costs after that.
For holy/dark i would go for economizer 100%, but that's just me. Dark mage burns mana like... i don't wanna say what. I just did all arenas from 100-25 and a full grindfest with wind mage and ended up with 5 mana pots less compared to when i started. Then i did the SG arenas with my dark mage set and i ended with 120 mana pots less instead. However elemental mage is not the same. I don't think that economizer is wrong, but probably... not really needed. If i got pen5 and then economizer i would keep it. As long as you can get your clears to be mana efficient it's ok.
Archmage is... not needed. Extra damage is not bad, but... it's not like you are lacking the damage. Still not bad. For holy/dark mage that is use mostly in SG arenas it's good. But for elemental mage with imperil you will be one-shotting the enemies anyway.
Casting speed instead is a matter of safety, hence good.

So at the end it's a matter of getting pen5 with whatever else at 4 (maximize efficiency), as long as it's not anihilator. Economizer and spellweaver are deemed the best in my eyes.

Obviously if you're lvl 450 with full forged slaughter or something like that there is 0 reason not to do prefer PFUDOR over IWBTH (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

Even not fully forged (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
helmet
body
hands
legs
shoes

I do all my IW runs in PF... only reason for this though it's cause... ... ... i don't know. Bored to swap difficulty? Probably that (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

This post has been edited by Epion: Jan 16 2017, 22:27

But question. What slot was supposed to be best for prof slot for Elemental mage?

Are you using Imperil? (If not, you should be, if you're elemental.) And if you're Imperil, then you want proficiency such that you end up with 0.68-0.70 prof_factor or so. Don't go too below that or monsters will be tougher to beat than you want them to be, and don't go too over that or part of your prof slot will be wasted.

But getting to that prof_factor is what matters, not which slot you use. Look at your weapon's proficiency, your perk (?), the possible equips available, figure out how much you're going to forge each one, and get whatever equip will get you closest to that critical point, after forging. There's no one answer because stats moderately vary.

That means if I'm planning on using imperil, prof pants should be the one I'm after yea? But does that mean I need to max forge the prof since its just 1 prof piece? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) Or will I use a prof staff for a poor man's 4+1 build o.o

See above and do the math, depends on your exact stats.

but the best slot for elemental mage is shoes for 4+1 (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

This is not true, because staff type (and amount of prof on staff) has a huge impact on how much remaining prof you need. It varies, there's no one answer.

So reforge when I get Penetrator and Eco? http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=51506552be

If you want to play PFUDOR, Pen 5 is absolutely essential. And regardless of the difficulty you play, Eco is nearly useless. Using less mana feels good, but its net impact on credits/turn is quite minimal compared to all the other potencies.

If you want to be cheap, get Pen 5 and whatever else comes along. If you want to spend a lot, get Pen 5 plus Spellweaver and/or Archmage while avoiding Economizer and Annihilator.

That's assuming you want to play PF. If not, then getting Pen 5 is significantly less important.

Nothing wrong with that, since I am doing the same thing myself. I don't play enough or have the necessary perks to generate crystals and tokens to do otherwise. But for our resident big-spender like Roadshoe, he could probably do both. Create one or two holy terrors of HV and still have an army of straw dummies to farm mats. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I truly intend to run Angry Road Shoe and Elementaly Schoolgirl to maxed out tokens and PL.

But first the straw dummies, and it's going to take forever in tokens to get to 200 monsters.

I just finished 452 rounds of PFFest, and got 3 lousy tokens... Jeez.
With Tokenizer III?? Really??

Much easier to accumulate tokens on hard level...
They drop like every 65 or 70 rounds like clockwork on hard level. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mad.gif)

I truly intend to run Angry Road Shoe and Elementaly Schoolgirl to maxed out tokens and PL.

But first the straw dummies, and it's going to take forever in tokens to get to 200 monsters.

I just finished 452 rounds of PFFest, and got 3 lousy tokens... Jeez.
With Tokenizer III?? Really??

Much easier to accumulate tokens on hard level...
They drop like every 65 or 70 rounds like clockwork on hard level. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mad.gif)

If you only care about Tokens, do HellFest, faster and no Loot Drop frequency penalty for excessive play (unlike <=Nightmare).
Don't really expect Legendaries though, and you're going to lose quite some Crystals compared to PFFest.

This post has been edited by gianfrix94: Jan 17 2017, 01:19

speaking of which, let's suppose one will play at hell difficulty. what's more profitable (token-wise) between Hellfest and the comparable 1k rounds arenas - i mean, all the 2nd page arenas?
if needed, let's consider final token drop chance equal to (EXP mod - 1)

speaking of which, let's suppose one will play at hell difficulty. what's more profitable (token-wise) between Hellfest and the comparable 1k rounds arenas - i mean, all the 2nd page arenas?
if needed, let's consider final token drop chance equal to (EXP mod - 1)

If you have tokenizer perk , hellfest (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

I can get around 30 ~ 50 chaos tokens on daily basis with my token1 perk (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)


@super

That apply for mage who use redwood (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

speaking of which, let's suppose one will play at hell difficulty. what's more profitable (token-wise) between Hellfest and the comparable 1k rounds arenas - i mean, all the 2nd page arenas?
if needed, let's consider final token drop chance equal to (EXP mod - 1)

Arenas give you more tokens but cost more time.

If you have tokenizer perk , hellfest (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

I can get around 30 ~ 50 chaos tokens on daily basis with my token1 perk (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
@super

That apply for mage who use redwood (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

How many fest you play per day?
My perk is token2 and my average chaos/fest is ~8-10tokens.
Chaos token drop in fest is vary. Sometimes I got 15 sometimes 6 but the lowest I got ever is 2.

If you only care about Tokens, do HellFest, faster and no Loot Drop frequency penalty for excessive play (unlike <=Nightmare).
Don't really expect Legendaries though, and you're going to lose quite some Crystals compared to PFFest.

5 legendary pieces were dropped to me this weekend on excessive PFFest rounds.
I think the RNG was trying to catch up.. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Remember I've always played on hard, so never a Leg drop.
Bottom line though, only 1 made it up to "meh.. maybe a 50k charity bid max" category.
The other 4 were just flat out embarrassing.

So 1 vote for hellfest

speaking of which, let's suppose one will play at hell difficulty. what's more profitable (token-wise) between Hellfest and the comparable 1k rounds arenas - i mean, all the 2nd page arenas?
if needed, let's consider final token drop chance equal to (EXP mod - 1)

1 vote for pg 2 arenas. (Arenas are a proven entity through me by the way. That's where I always get them)

If you have tokenizer perk , hellfest (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

I can get around 30 ~ 50 chaos tokens on daily basis with my token1 perk (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
@super

That apply for mage who use redwood (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

30 to 50? in a day?? Gasp! That's more than I get in a week.
Please always sell your crystal packs. You'd be dangerous with a fleet of monsters. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)
2nd vote for hellfest

Arenas give you more tokens but cost more time.

2nd vote for arenas, but time penalty. (High HP schoolgirls obviously)

4 experts... tied vote.

Decision: Graduate from Hard to Hell for good. Knock out bottom 5 pg 2 arenas, then go hellfest as time permits.
Tilted toward arenas due to trophies. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) But true that... takes longer.

Whats the recommended difficulty on crude IW if I'm going in with crappy unforged mag+exq cloths?

Whats the recommended difficulty on crude IW if I'm going in with crappy unforged mag+exq cloths?

Depends on what you're trying to accomplish.

Depends on what you're trying to accomplish.

Spam t1 spells for ele prof

How many fest you play per day?
My perk is token2 and my average chaos/fest is ~8-10tokens.
Chaos token drop in fest is vary. Sometimes I got 15 sometimes 6 but the lowest I got ever is 2.

not that much compare with sssss2 , aria (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

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yes , I find that hellfest have slightly better token rate drop than ninfest for me (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

5 legendary pieces were dropped to me this weekend on excessive PFFest rounds.
I think the RNG was trying to catch up.. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Remember I've always played on hard, so never a Leg drop.
Bottom line though, only 1 made it up to "meh.. maybe a 50k charity bid max" category.
The other 4 were just flat out embarrassing.

So 1 vote for hellfest
1 vote for pg 2 arenas. (Arenas are a proven entity through me by the way. That's where I always get them)
30 to 50? in a day?? Gasp! That's more than I get in a week.
Please always sell your crystal packs. You'd be dangerous with a fleet of monsters. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)
2nd vote for hellfest
2nd vote for arenas, but time penalty. (High HP schoolgirls obviously)

4 experts... tied vote.

Decision: Graduate from Hard to Hell for good. Knock out bottom 5 pg 2 arenas, then go hellfest as time permits.
Tilted toward arenas due to trophies. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) But true that... takes longer.

hey , I'm already sold you 1k+ crystal packs before , red (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

maybe later on , red (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

don't worry about that (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Spam t1 spells for ele prof

IIRC, it doesn't really matter because monsters will die in a reasonable amount of time regardless, so you can probably put it up to IWBTH.

not that much compare with sssss2 , aria (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

Judge from your perk and token gain I guess at least 5 fests. This is a lot (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)

Judge from your perk and token gain I guess at least 5 fests. This is a lot (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)

just around 2~6 GF per day , aria (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

depend on my free time , mood , and most important ~ my ping (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)

Is weaken and silence worth investing into? should the betters and faster be maxed?