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I've never seen so many people post that many times in the entire time I've been here. Talking about the 9th Yuletide lottery thing... It's about to hit 2k posts, dear lord. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

quick niten question, what are the desired potencies for the waki and katana.

waki:
OP/Fatality

Katana:
1) OP/Fatality
2) OP/Butcher
3) Butcher/Fatality
i'm pretty sure i have the waki right but i'm not sure on the katana.

for Katana, any combo of OP, Butcher and Fatality can serve the purpose. less or more the same potencies you'd want for a DW Mainhand

I've never seen so many people post that many times in the entire time I've been here. Talking about the 9th Yuletide lottery thing... It's about to hit 2k posts, dear lord. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

well, afterall it's THE thread we're speaking about (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

quick niten question, what are the desired potencies for the waki and katana.

waki:
OP/Fatality

Katana:
1) OP/Fatality
2) OP/Butcher
3) Butcher/Fatality
i'm pretty sure i have the waki right but i'm not sure on the katana.

Waki is right, for the Katana both 1 or 2 are ok, or even a mix with OP 4-5 + Butcher something + Fatality something.

Still, Niten is a pretty shitty style, so i don't know what you're going to use it for.

Try to reach OP 9/10 and then getting only Butcher and Fatality as potencies, avoiding Butcher on the Waki though.

Also, you'll want a Waki of Balance for niten. With nice ADB and Crit Chance, and decent Parry. Nimble is for DW.

is nimble not necessary if i'm going to try doing PF/IWBTH with niten? I have a waki of balance but both the parry and ADB is below 40% :[

if you have a decent one you want to sell me or trade for mine and i add some extra monies i would be for it (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

This post has been edited by jackalo: Dec 28 2016, 21:53

is nimble not necessary if i'm going to try doing PF/IWBTH with niten?

Unlike DW, there is no parry bonus in the offhand of Niten, so probably the Crit of balance is more useful.

Btw, wouldn't doing PF/IWBTH with niten be real bothersome, not having PA or Stun?

This post has been edited by gianfrix94: Dec 28 2016, 22:02

is nimble not necessary if i'm going to try doing PF/IWBTH with niten? I have a waki of balance but both the parry and ADB is below 40% :[

if you have a decent one you want to sell me or trade for mine and i add some extra monies i would be for it (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

if it's for that, not even the Ethereal prefix is a priority. rather, with such high offhand ACC you may deliberately want a certain prefix to control the strike. furthermore, finding an Ethereal is alread hard enough, letting apart with such rolls. if you'd ever plan to open your search to elemental prefixes i have a Demonic Balance and a Fiery Nimble to propose.

Btw, wouldn't doing PF/IWBTH with niten be real bothersome, not having PA or Stun?

every now and then, there are some niteners who claim to be able to do everything. sort of white flies though.

if it's for that, not even the Ethereal prefix is a priority. rather, with such high offhand ACC you may deliberately want a certain prefix to control the strike. furthermore, finding an Ethereal is alread hard enough, letting apart with such rolls. if you'd ever plan to open your search to elemental prefixes i have a Demonic Balance and a Fiery Nimble to propose.

I concur on this point, the Burden of a Waki is low, there isn't really a point to go only for Ethereal, especially if you are going to IW it and get Void Strike.
Choose a prefix that is going to work well with the Arenas or whatever you're going to use Niten in, and buy that.

This post has been edited by gianfrix94: Dec 28 2016, 22:23

if it's for that, not even the Ethereal prefix is a priority. rather, with such high offhand ACC you may deliberately want a certain prefix to control the strike. furthermore, finding an Ethereal is alread hard enough, letting apart with such rolls. if you'd ever plan to open your search to elemental prefixes i have a Demonic Balance and a Fiery Nimble to propose.

yeah, i prob don't need ethereal since it only grants me an extra 0.4% evade. but i still need clarification on the offhand. since there is no parry bonus does that mean the additional +5% crit chance is better than the addition +5-10% parry in IWBTH/PF when considering clear speed vs defense for suvivability?

if i don't need the bonus parry i would be interested in the balance waki you have if it is significantly better than this Legendary Ethereal Waki of Balance

yeah, i prob don't need ethereal since it only grants me an extra 0.4% evade.

0.4? woah! it was almost the double for me, back then (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) what are you using? Shade of non-Fleet?
either way, you can still completely remove BUR's effect with Feathers, which are cheap enough nowadays. as for ITR, it's unrelevant.

but i still need clarification on the offhand. since there is no parry bonus does that mean the additional +5% crit chance is better than the addition +5-10% parry in IWBTH/PF when considering clear speed vs defense for suvivability?

you should do your tests. i never bothered too much, but it's common consensuous that at high levels Waki of Balance > Waki of Nimble - i guess because you're already past the survivability threshold, so it's better to improve your offense. more crits are always useful. and btw, i guess the parry bonus should be closer to 5 rather than to 10%. and still subordinated to Evade roll, so you should multiply such bonus for (1-evade) and lower it a bit to consider Shadow Veil. with ~50% Evade, we should be speaking about ~2.5 Parry difference or so

if i don't need the bonus parry i would be interested in the balance waki you have if it is significantly better than this Legendary Ethereal Waki of Balance

here you are: [437] Legendary Demonic Wakizashi of Balance
don't know if it's better, but at least it's Demonic-prefixed (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

0.4? woah! it was almost the double for me, back then (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) what are you using? Shade of non-Fleet?
either way, you can still completely remove BUR's effect with Feathers, which are cheap enough nowadays. as for ITR, it's unrelevant.
you should do your tests. i never bothered too much, but it's common consensuous that at high levels Waki of Balance > Waki of Nimble - i guess because you're already past the survivability threshold, so it's better to improve your offense. more crits are always useful. and btw, i guess the parry bonus should be closer to 5 rather than to 10%. and still subordinated to Evade roll, so you should multiply such bonus for (1-evade) and lower it a bit to consider Shadow Veil. with ~50% Evade, we should be speaking about ~2.5 Parry difference or so
here you are: [437] Legendary Demonic Wakizashi of Balance
don't know if it's better, but at least it's Demonic-prefixed (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

worse unfortunately :[ i'll be looking for a waki of balance then.

btw this was with my slaughter set on. i going to try making it viable with power of slaughter. i haven't checked with my shade fleet set cause i'm hoping i wont have to transition to light since my heavy is decently forged. with my shade fleet set my evade chance is 58.5% and drops to 58.3 when switching to elemental.

This post has been edited by jackalo: Dec 28 2016, 22:57

Btw, wouldn't doing PF/IWBTH with niten be real bothersome, not having PA or Stun?

btw, Skyward Sword can inflict PA/BW effects. and Fus Ro Dah can inflict Stun effect. it's quite elaborated, but still an option.

worse unfortunately :[ i'll be looking for a waki of balance then.

btw this was with my slaughter set on. i going to try making it viable with power of slaughter. i haven't checked with my shade fleet set cause i'm hoping i wont have to transition to light since my heavy is decently forged. with my shade fleet set my evade chance is 58.5% and drops to 58.3 when switching to elemental.

I'd change to the Shade gear, after all you have basically no defence otherwise.

btw, Skyward Sword can inflict PA/BW effects. and Fus Ro Dah can inflict Stun effect. it's quite elaborated, but still an option.

Oh, then with Skyward Sword + FUS RO DAH Niten is actually viable, but FUS RO DAH makes you lose 10% ADB and 3% evade so i'm not sure i'd use it.
And by using those you basically cannot use OFC.

btw this was with my slaughter set on. i going to try making it viable with power of slaughter. i haven't checked with my shade fleet set cause i'm hoping i wont have to transition to light since my heavy is decently forged. with my shade fleet set my evade chance is 58.5% and drops to 58.3 when switching to elemental.

58 evade is very good. go for it.

Oh, then with Skyward Sword + FUS RO DAH Niten is actually viable, but FUS RO DAH makes you lose 10% ADB and 3% evade so i'm not sure i'd use it.
And by using those you basically cannot use OFC.

hey-hey, i'm not saying they are the best options available. i'm only saying they are options. nothing more, nothing less. last time i used Niten was for some REs and it was somehow worse than my DW set, so i didn't bother too much. just saying.

Skyward Sword by itself is very strong and very underated.
If it hit the 2H range instead of the only 5 that nyten does it would have been stronger than holy mage.

This post has been edited by Epion: Dec 28 2016, 23:12

58 evade is very good. go for it.

i don't want to go for that even if it works, i want to use my heavy slaughter (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

i don't want to go for that even if it works, i want to use my heavy slaughter (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

If i had such a nice Shade Set i'd use it, if it was of the Shadowdancer even more (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Especially if you want to play at IWBTH/PFUDOR, with the Heavy Gear monster hits are going to maul you (i think (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)).
Just try both.

This post has been edited by gianfrix94: Dec 28 2016, 23:18

I've never seen so many people post that many times in the entire time I've been here. Talking about the 9th Yuletide lottery thing... It's about to hit 2k posts, dear lord. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

all unique players? Man, this HV-thing is bigger than I thought!

i don't want to go for that even if it works, i want to use my heavy slaughter (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

your call. btw, i found that Shadow Veil's effect starts from +25% at 0 Evade and linearly decreases to +0% at 100% Evade. at our point (~60%) it's roughly +10%. therefore your evade would be something like 68% while on battle (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

all unique players? Man, this HV-thing is bigger than I thought!

nope. yuletide isn't for HV players only. yuletide is for all the site, and so are toplists and such. the only difference being that we HV players spend credits/Hath generated by confectionaries/awards into perks, and other people into bounties. someone into both. something like this.

Thinking about it, if one were to try 2H, what would be better between a Mace and an Estoc?

Just as an additional variable, i'd be using a Shade Set.