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What I mean is: use soul burst in the last round only, against bosses.
With a destruction staff it should deal way more damage with the same mana usage.
You can test it by observing how many rounds you need to kill the bosses with their weakness, then use soul burst to see how much it improves things.
Soul burst is also good for konata, a good idea from Ballistic9.

Eh, I just noticed Burning Soul dramatically increases the damage of Soul Burst.
I stand corrected, it is more efficient.

Yay. My first decent exquisite.
/emocry

Heheh. My first Exquisite was an Ethereal Axe of the Vampire with both proc rates above 20%.

Pretty nice katana, though. Good proc chance, fair stats and a bit above average damage, I think.

Better than your Estoc for non-Boss purposes, at least.

i use Dw. Do i need to upgrade Intelligence (is it even important for a dw user?) or should i leave it more behind ??
Its pretty cheap now so i thought it might be worth to upgrade it.

Here are my stats.
Strengh 81
Dexterity 80
Agility 80
Endurance 80
Intelligence 32
Wisdom 66

This post has been edited by Bonebuster: Oct 19 2011, 20:12

As for debuff, Nerf itself should be the best choice for anyone. Even better than weaken combination or anything else. At least that's how I play it.

Let's confine the discussion to mages, on single legend rounds for EODs in normal difficulty.

You have a range of spells to choose from:
Buff spells: regen2, haste, SV, spark, aranca focus, spirit shield.
Debuff spells: poison, slow, weaken, bewilder, blind, silence, nerf

We need to establish a few principles:
1. We need a spell which can effectively prevent us from dying.
2. We need spells which can buff our damage.
3. We need spells which can replenish our health.
4. We need spells which can improve our stat.
5. Buffs are better than debuffs, assuming they serve the same purpose.
Unless you need to fight 50 or more turns per round, you're bound to waste some mana on those debuffs, since they cannot be brought to next round.
Those wasted mana will accumulate to some noticeable amount, since you need to repeat the whole process 50 times.

So...
1. Spirit shield is a no-brainer. Way too better than spark and silence.
2. Aranca focus is a must. Nerf and bewilder in the waiting list.
3. Regen2.
4. Haste, SV.
Up till here, we have established what buff spells to use.
5. The argument here is: let spirit shield and regen2 do its work.
Without any debuffs, legends are hitting me with 400-500 damages. Since I have about 30% evade, it means legends are hitting me with less than 300 damages per round on average.
This amount of damage should easily be covered by regen2 (even lv.220 player with 110 prof. should be able to replenish least 270 hp per turn. Yes, I calculated that)
(If you feel uncomfortable, use oak staff of heimdall. It surely helps)
Thus you don't need to further decrease the amount of damage you receive. Which means you don't need poison, slow, weaken, blind.

Bewilder and nerf's a bit different. Since they decrease legends' defense, they pretty much act as a buff to our damage.
I haven't tested bewilder, but I should save 2 banish per round with nerf on right now. Minus the cost to cast nerf, it means I can save 1 banish per round. And again, for 50 rounds it will accumulate to a large amount of mp.

In short, with regen2/SP shield/aranca focus/SV/haste/nerf, you should be able to clear EOD in a mana-efficient way.

Anyone feel free to discuss if I have made any incorrect assumptions, or you have different opinions.

This post has been edited by varst: Oct 19 2011, 21:07

makes sense. when i said blind/weaken i meant it in a more general case. ie, that's what i use on FSM/higher difficulty legendaries like IWBTH konata etc.

regardless, the blind helps a lot for me during my mana recharging since that means i don't have to spend time SP harvesting since i dodge at least half the SP attacks that come flying from the legendaries. i think i weaken out of habit more than for utility purpose against the normal legendaries, but i really don't like it when they crit me. more of a psychological thing.

also, if i remember right, you mana battery every round more/less right? i tend to kill/kill/kill/mana battery rather than kill+mana battery/kill+mana battery/kill+mana battery

thus it's in my best interest to keep the mana battery alive as *long as possible* so i can go from 100 mana -> full. which means i *don't* want to increase the damage they're taking. as for bewilder... i don't find it that useful for reducing SP attack damage. i'd much rather just dodge (blind yay!)

This post has been edited by dcherry: Oct 19 2011, 21:29

I still think Weaken is worth casting.
Nerf = 1.25 damage bonus at 20 base cost
Nerf + Weaken = 1.25*1.1 = 1.375 damage bonus at 30 base cost

If you can spare mana for Nerf chances are you can do the same for Weaken.
Plus, more chances to proc Coalesced Mana.

Personally, I stopped using any debuff at all.
Killing a Legendary on Normal takes me 4-5 Pestilences right now, it feels like a waste spending two turns for spells I don't really need.
I'd rather use them to try and steal some mana.

Yay. My first decent exquisite.
/emocry

Can't help but brag a bit then.
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=9cc3ab5be0
Got that exquisite as a arena reward.
Pretty decent IMO.....

i use Dw. Do i need to upgrade Intelligence (is it even important for a dw user?) or should i leave it more behind ??
Its pretty cheap now so i thought it might be worth to upgrade it.

Here are my stats.
Strengh 81
Dexterity 80
Agility 80
Endurance 80
Intelligence 32
Wisdom 66

You can see the stats and what bonuses they give here.
http://ehwiki.org/wiki/Character_Stats

Basically, intelligence gives very little for a melee character. I gives magical base damage and magic crit rate, both of which are worthless for a melee (channeling is, as far as I know, not affected by magic crit).
It gives the same magic accuracy as wisdom, but only a third of the MP that wisdom gives, and gives no regen or anything else beneficial.

In my opinion, you should raise wisdom, by quite a bit, since that gives MP, MP regen and magic mitigation (as well as some magic accuracy and spell resist chance), all very important things even for a melee.
You need that mana and mana regen for buffs and heals.

Also, Endurance is life. It gives hitpoints and both physical and magical mitigation. You need more of that.

Personally, I have endurance as my highest stat, followed closely by wisdom.

Strength is a little more value than dexterity, both affect your damage output and gives a little bonus to either mitigation/HP or parry.
Agility mainly gives action speed, which isn't all big of a deal IMO. Not that you should let it drag far behind like intelligence, but I think dexterity does more of a difference.


So, short.
Primary: Endurance and wisdom.
Secondary: Strength and dexterity.
Close tertiary: Agility.

Last: Intelligence.

wait, pestilences? why not go with heimdall then? breached defense should make banish superior, no? i figured the only advantage of dark was the tier 3

e: IMO INT is "not important" attrib stat for melees while DEX is the "not important" attrib stat for mages.

This post has been edited by dcherry: Oct 19 2011, 21:38

wait, pestilences? why not go with heimdall then? breached defense should make banish superior, no? i figured the only advantage of dark was the tier 3

Because Snowflake gave me a full Fenrir set, and it would feel rude not to use it. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

ugh. was hoping for some "cause the school girls get pwned by dark (lower resists) harder than by holy". but damn... with 4-5 blasts, that makes school girl's actually *worth* the time! i don't bother with them since they take so long for me right now (hobo gear)

I'm just going down the list for RoB as I get the Tokens to fight them, and I'll worry about Snowflake when I'm at a decent level to spawn equipment worth selling/using. I do wonder why FSM is the strongest of the monsters though. Logically speaking, wouldn't Real Life be the most difficult/give the highest LQB?

This post has been edited by DragonRanger: Oct 19 2011, 21:45

Thus you don't need to further decrease the amount of damage you receive. Which means you don't need poison, slow, weaken, blind.

But poison doesn't just halve their SP/MP regen, decreasing their damage output (or rather, decreasing your SP usage), but it also decreases their evasion, making you little less likely to miss with your spells.
And it also does damage.
Damage which can be quite considerable, if the monster lives for a while.
The damage increases with the base HP of the target, so a legendary should get some extra damage from it.
And poison lasts a very long time, and doesn't cost that much to cast.
Over time, that damage adds up, and if it goes it's full duration, I doubt there are many spells that can compare to it when it comes to damage/mp.

I still think Weaken is worth casting.
Nerf = 1.25 damage bonus at 20 base cost
Nerf + Weaken = 1.25*1.1 = 1.375 damage bonus at 30 base cost

If you can spare mana for Nerf chances are you can do the same for Weaken.
Plus, more chances to proc Coalesced Mana.

Personally, I stopped using any debuff at all.
Killing a Legendary on Normal takes me 4-5 Pestilences right now, it feels like a waste spending two turns for spells I don't really need.
I'd rather use them to try and steal some mana.

Except that weaken only decreases their physical defense, which does nothing for mages. And he already established that you can survive their damage.
Or did you mean bewilder?


But seriously, doesn't weaken work?
After all, it halves their physical damage output.
Which means you can replace regen2 with regen1, which heals less per round but actually costs less mana per turn (but has to be recast more often, but that allows you to let your HP drop a bit between recasting if you are going on plus).

Yes, I meant Bewilder.
Or "the purple one", as I call it. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

Heheh. My first Exquisite was an Ethereal Axe of the Vampire with both proc rates above 20%.

Pretty nice katana, though. Good proc chance, fair stats and a bit above average damage, I think.

Better than your Estoc for non-Boss purposes, at least.

I did not use my Estoc ever since Stunpatch came out. Just forgot to update teh sig.


Edit: WTB [Hourai Elixir], pm offers~

This post has been edited by MiAla: Oct 19 2011, 23:09

What in the world is a Hourai Elixir?

[touhou.wikia.com] http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Hourai_Elixir

e: google ftw (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

This post has been edited by dcherry: Oct 19 2011, 23:18

[touhou.wikia.com] http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Hourai_Elixir

e: google ftw (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Holy sweet crispy Jesus, the design of this Wiki is horrible... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif) Don't look on it more than two minutes or your eyes will leak. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif) Sorry for offtop, guys, but that's really...annoying... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

This post has been edited by Evil Scorpio: Oct 20 2011, 01:22

didn't notice. i looked at it for 8 seconds. saw the "immortality", copied the URL, and closed the window (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Who is Frith, and why were his witches adopted?

Feel like I might be missing a pun off Frithwitch.