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post Dec 16 2016, 16:22
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QUOTE(ppp82p @ Dec 16 2016, 15:07) *

As a 1h user I can't even imagine lowering my difficulty below pfudor (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

even as a 1H user i can't even imagine a single reason to do SGs above Hard difficulty - unless you don't have a hammer at your fingertips, obviously.
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post Dec 16 2016, 16:28
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QUOTE(gianfrix94 @ Dec 16 2016, 15:50) *

Is it worth it to do SGs Arenas at IWBTH/PFUDOR? Or should i just keep doing them at Hard?


Here's my own experience and thought process when I play HV:

At first, I want to play in the highest difficulty I can handle (like ppp-chan). Nintendo, IWBTH, PFUDOR, you name it. I've always thought the more challenging it is, the more rewards you will reap later.

After some time playing, I get bored off the face of the Earth, to the point that I don't even wanna play just to clear SGs arenas to farm some trophies (and sell them to blackjac00)

So I take a look at Supes' advice and try it out. Swooshing through the SGs arenas a hell lot faster and it's more fun to play again. Also according to his statistics, it's more efficient credits earned/time spent. (Love you Supes (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wub.gif) )


Still, Supes's already reached level 500. So he kinda forgets this point: the higher the difficulty you play, the faster your power-leveling becomes. So if you're fed up with your level ranges because of some reasons (can't soulfuse gear, crappy gear, wanna buy better gear), you switch to higher difficulty and proceed on torturing yourself with hours of HV gameplay.

For SGs arenas:

1. Credits farming -> Hard difficulty
2. Power leveling -> higher difficulty
3. ???
4. Profit
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post Dec 16 2016, 16:28
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Well, another question now.
I have this waki: Magnificent Arctic Wakizashi of the Nimble
If i want to use it as an offhand in DW, would it be worth it to IW10 it, or should i just use it like it is and wait for a better waki?

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post Dec 16 2016, 16:30
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That's because he doesn't do grindfest
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post Dec 16 2016, 16:36
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QUOTE(gianfrix94 @ Dec 16 2016, 16:28) *

Well, another question now.
I have this waki: Magnificent Arctic Wakizashi of the Nimble
If i want to use it as an offhand in DW, would it be worth it to IW10 it, or should i just use it like it is and wait for a better waki?


Wait for a better one.

If on a good day, I'm somehow compassionate to your Ilya avatar, I might even put this one to Supes' next auction for you to get it:

[276][Legendary Ethereal Wakizashi of the Nimble]

Originally I wanna keep it for self-use, but since sometime ago I already bought this inferior one:
[0][Legendary Ethereal Wakizashi of the Nimble] [Price: 0 c]
I still feel like keeping it. Since I'm not short on credits right now.
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post Dec 16 2016, 16:40
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QUOTE(gianfrix94 @ Dec 16 2016, 15:28) *

I have this waki: Magnificent Arctic Wakizashi of the Nimble
If i want to use it as an offhand in DW, would it be worth it to IW10 it, or should i just use it like it is and wait for a better waki?

well, wakis aren't too hard to find. even Leg ones. but if this is the best you have available and/or want to keep it, why not? out of all the IW-able things, weapons have the best ROI. btw, offhand weapons are best paired with Overpower and Fatality. Butcher tolerable but sub-optimal - but if it pops out and you have at least one of the other two, don't bother resetting it. you won't keep it for so long anyways.
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post Dec 16 2016, 16:40
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QUOTE(Nguoivohinh @ Dec 16 2016, 14:28) *
Still, Supes's already reached level 500. So he kinda forgets this point: the higher the difficulty you play, the faster your power-leveling becomes. So if you're fed up with your level ranges because of some reasons (can't soulfuse gear, crappy gear, wanna buy better gear), you switch to higher difficulty and proceed on torturing yourself with hours of HV gameplay.

For SGs arenas:

1. Credits farming -> Hard difficulty
2. Power leveling -> higher difficulty
3. ???
4. Profit
I think I remember looking into this before, and the SG arenas are actually pretty bad for XP, especially the first two SG arenas. Even though they have a slightly higher XP multiplier than lower arenas, there are three huge problems:
  • The SGs themselves give significantly less XP than standard high monsters
  • The SGs take many times longer to kill (so rounds take much longer)
  • Monster density per round is low in comparison to earlier arenas (but past a certain point, there's also at least one SG per round, so the round still takes a while to finish). Few standard monsters means low experience gain, and few standard monsters in a round also means less XP gained per stamina spent.
DwD is better because its XP multiplier is the highest of them all, and monster density is fine, but the first two SG arenas aren't so good, neither for XP nor for income.

But I haven't looked at the XP stats in a while. I stopped caring about XP after 400 or so. If someone else wants to log some stats on it, feel free
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post Dec 16 2016, 16:42
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QUOTE(Nguoivohinh @ Dec 16 2016, 15:36) *

not so bad. how much were you thinking to earn from it?
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post Dec 16 2016, 16:54
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Dec 16 2016, 15:40) *
but the first two SG arenas aren't so good, neither for XP nor for income

The second one is complete garbage (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Dec 16 2016, 17:03
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Dec 16 2016, 16:42) *

not so bad. how much were you thinking to earn from it?


I have got no idea (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) probably 100-200k
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post Dec 16 2016, 17:06
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For what it's worth, I use the [The Trio and the Tree] Arena when I want experience. The rounds go by pretty quickly without SGs mucking about, and the Sapling is a nice bonus.
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post Dec 16 2016, 17:16
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QUOTE(Nguoivohinh @ Dec 16 2016, 16:03) *

I have got no idea (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) probably 100-200k

i don't think 200k are possible with such a low parry. 100k may be fine because of Ethereal prefix and low level, but i may be wrong.

QUOTE(DamienCash @ Dec 16 2016, 16:06) *

For what it's worth, I use the [The Trio and the Tree] Arena when I want experience. The rounds go by pretty quickly without SGs mucking about, and the Sapling is a nice bonus.

definitely. at least i'm not the only one (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Dec 16 2016, 17:25
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QUOTE(Nguoivohinh @ Dec 16 2016, 16:03) *

I have got no idea (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) probably 100-200k

QUOTE(Scremaz @ Dec 16 2016, 16:16) *

i don't think 200k are possible with such a low parry. 100k may be fine because of Ethereal prefix and low level, but i may be wrong.

I concur with Scremaz, since in Super's Auction 36 a same type of Waki with better parry was sold for 115k you can hope for 100k.
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post Dec 16 2016, 17:29
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Dec 16 2016, 15:22) *
unless you don't have a hammer at your fingertips, obviously.

I probably have (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
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post Dec 16 2016, 17:31
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QUOTE(ppp82p @ Dec 16 2016, 16:29) *

I probably have (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

oh. be careful then. or play at PF DWD, which is pretty much the same.
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post Dec 16 2016, 17:36
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How come some shops aren't searchable by Smartsearch?
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post Dec 16 2016, 17:38
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QUOTE(ppp82p @ Dec 16 2016, 16:36) *

How come some shops aren't searchable by Smartsearch?

^ +1. i may understand mine where items aren't in first page (is it even a problem, btw? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) ) but his shop seems fine (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

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post Dec 16 2016, 17:38
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QUOTE(ppp82p @ Dec 16 2016, 15:36) *
How come some shops aren't searchable by Smartsearch?
Which ones?
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post Dec 16 2016, 17:42
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Na... Wrong guess.
But still. Did you try to save again all pages?

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post Dec 16 2016, 17:42
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Dec 16 2016, 16:38) *

Which ones?

mine and his, to start. or at least gianfrix reported ppp's shop and i cannot find some items listed on mine
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