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post Dec 2 2016, 03:03
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QUOTE(ppp82p @ Dec 1 2016, 19:57) *

Nobody will give you anything, since Mag and below require much less.
And Leg is done from a ton of other people.
And making an unique price will make you unappealing, and probably people will avoid your service (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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I was actually given 3 pieces already and I'm not sure how much to charge...

What would be a good base cost? Super charges 11/pxp, I've seen someone else, can't remember who, that charges 10/pxp... So maybe 8-9?

I'm not doing a complete/great IW service, just one item at a time, for an extra credit income...

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post Dec 2 2016, 03:06
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QUOTE(Chraunzen @ Dec 2 2016, 02:03) *

I was actually given 3 pieces already and I'm not sure how much to charge...

What would be a good base cost? Super charges 11/pxp, I've seen someone else, can't remember who, that charges 10/pxp... So maybe 8-9?

I'm not doing a complete/great IW service, just one item at a time, for an extra credit income...

8c/PXP would be a pretty cool price.
I think you know the calculator for total price, but here is the link anyway: [reasoningtheory.net] https://reasoningtheory.net/itemworld
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post Dec 2 2016, 03:07
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Yup, whatever price you pick, just make people pay on pxp.
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post Dec 2 2016, 03:10
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QUOTE(Chraunzen @ Dec 2 2016, 02:03) *

I was actually given 3 pieces already and I'm not sure how much to charge...

What would be a good base cost? Super charges 11/pxp, I've seen someone else, can't remember who, that charges 10/pxp... So maybe 8-9?

I'm not doing a complete/great IW service, just one item at a time, for an extra credit income...

super charges 11c/pxp but he's quick afaik and also willing to go for specified potencies. if you simply want a bit of extra incoming you should stay lower (i guess 8-9 may be good just to taste the ground) and possibly stating an estimation of the time needed and if you accept particular requests or not - like Juggernaut 5 or so. mind you, that latter part includes not only the need to have a certain stock of Amnesias for quick reforge (which will be subsequently refunded by purchasers), but also a certain amount of EDs to run the service itself while keeping time within a reasonable range.
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post Dec 2 2016, 04:21
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For IW prices I suggest charging as much as you can while being 1c/pxp lower than the next guy, if you're looking for as many takers as possible.

(Btw, I just can't lower my IW price any more to match others because IW is more tedious than GF and my 11c/pxp already nearly gives notably less profit than GF. IW services are great for medium-level players to host because they can clear reasonably quickly but aren't so loaded that they have incredibly high opportunity cost that players like me have)

I poked my head into freeshop and I'm seeing lots of equipments like this
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(For Anyone Under Level 351|#73)Legendary Amber Plate Cuirass of Protection(500)
lol.

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post Dec 2 2016, 04:29
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QUOTE(Chraunzen @ Dec 1 2016, 17:03) *

I was actually given 3 pieces already and I'm not sure how much to charge...

What would be a good base cost? Super charges 11/pxp, I've seen someone else, can't remember who, that charges 10/pxp... So maybe 8-9?

I'm not doing a complete/great IW service, just one item at a time, for an extra credit income...



Have you IW'd a few already?
You know... What I'm trying to say is... have you felt the pain yet? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

I mean this kind of thing will take some serious dedication. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

I'd rather be pimped out to... I don't know....
How about Angry Human hating Gorillas wearing oversized strap-ons than agree to IW someone else's stuff. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif)
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post Dec 2 2016, 04:32
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QUOTE(RoadShoe @ Dec 2 2016, 03:29) *

Have you IW'd a few already?
You know... What I'm trying to say is... have you felt the pain yet? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

I mean this kind of thing will take some serious dedication. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

I'd rather be pimped out to... I don't know....
How about Angry Human hating Gorillas wearing oversized strap-ons than agree to IW someone else's stuff. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif)

Weeelll, if i had to choose between IWing something and being pimped out to a Gorilla, i'd choose to IW, but to each his own i guess lol (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Dec 2 2016, 06:27
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QUOTE(gianfrix94 @ Dec 1 2016, 18:32) *

Weeelll, if i had to choose between IWing something and being pimped out to a Gorilla, i'd choose to IW, but to each his own i guess lol (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)


(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Damn Gorillas. They ain't gentle I tell ya, and never tip. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Dec 2 2016, 08:10
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QUOTE(Chraunzen @ Dec 2 2016, 10:03) *

I was actually given 3 pieces already and I'm not sure how much to charge...

What would be a good base cost? Super charges 11/pxp, I've seen someone else, can't remember who, that charges 10/pxp... So maybe 8-9?

I'm not doing a complete/great IW service, just one item at a time, for an extra credit income...


ED = 93k.
I think 11/pxp = free service. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
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post Dec 2 2016, 08:33
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QUOTE(hansvar92 @ Dec 2 2016, 06:10) *
ED = 93k.
I think 11/pxp = free service. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
Eg

Total_runs = RoundUp[ 1000 * ((1 + PXP_for_level_1 / 1000)^10 - 1) / (Rounds_in_IW * 16) ]
Total_runs = RoundUp[ 1000 * ((1 + 350 / 1000)^10 - 1) / (74 * 16) ]
Total_runs = RoundUp[ 16.13729380795446 ]
Total_runs = 17

Total Cost = Total_runs * 11c/pxp * Rounds_in_IW * 16 pxp/round
Total Cost = 17 * 11 * 74 * 16
Total Cost = 221408
Total Cost = 221k

74 rounds * 17 runs = 1258 rounds
IW cost of 176 credits per round

If someone already (nearly) maxes out their ED cost at 10,000 rounds/day, the marginal cost of further rounds is 93000/500 = 186 credits per round

***But that's only true for someone who plays a whole whole lot.*** (Right now, my marginal ED cost per round is only 44 credits) For someone who doesn't use all of their stamina in a day, the cost is 0. For someone who has LGBD, the cost is certainly much, much lower than the peak of 186 credits per round. So having an IW price around that 11c/pxp is justifiable. (But players who grind more would have to increase their cost per PXP)

I think the real question that determines IW price is the marginal revenue of additional GF series. So for someone with no perks and training but can clear quick, having an IW service that costs less than 10 c/pxp could well be a good choice.
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post Dec 2 2016, 10:20
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i have decided to give up a life of magic and dedicate myself to melee. almost finished my slaughter set except the gloves and now i want to get a viable dual wield build more so that i can niten/power armor but that is for a later time.

is any of this gear i have useful for DW builds:

rapier of slaughter
rapier of nimble
ethereal waki of balance
shortsword of balance

if i still need to buy a 1h weapon, what should i be looking for?

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post Dec 2 2016, 10:25
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QUOTE(jackalo @ Dec 2 2016, 16:20) *

i have decided to give up a life of magic and dedicate myself to melee. almost finished my slaughter set except the gloves and now i want to get a viable dual wield build more so that i can niten/power armor but that is for a later time.

is any of this gear i have useful for DW builds:

rapier of slaughter
rapier of nimble
ethereal waki of balance
shortsword of balance

if i still need to buy a 1h weapon, what should i be looking for?

A waki of nimble (for parry) to pair with a rapier. Or at least thats what I was told before (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) I remember some people talking about building club + rapier of nimble too. Probably in the accomplishments thread a couple months back

I just use DW for Hard SG Arenas to build up prof so I can niten too ;D Also using 2h now on the first SG arena \o/ Feels great to make use of power armour to buff up domino strikes <3 Just aim for the SG every round and everything else dies. Didn't forge or IW my 2h though to at least not kill enemies too fast and still gain a decent amount of 2h prof.

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post Dec 2 2016, 11:13
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QUOTE(jackalo @ Dec 2 2016, 10:20) *

i have decided to give up a life of magic and dedicate myself to melee. almost finished my slaughter set except the gloves and now i want to get a viable dual wield build more so that i can niten/power armor but that is for a later time.

is any of this gear i have useful for DW builds:

rapier of slaughter
rapier of nimble
ethereal waki of balance
shortsword of balance

if i still need to buy a 1h weapon, what should i be looking for?


Welcome to the rank of hardcore tanking, hack n' slash fearless warriors my man. Waki-shortsword balance is good if you're really really all about offensive power. But usually you would be looking for a waki nimble

http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=8a84566258
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=d8ae2fc959

And yeah I'm also really interested in Niten style too, but probably will hold off until I reach 350 or so to start grinding prof for 2H/DW.
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post Dec 2 2016, 11:32
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Dec 2 2016, 03:21) *

I poked my head into freeshop and I'm seeing lots of equipments like this
lol.

yep. last time i made him note that i was given a useless explanation plus the usual comment "but it's ok. if you don't like FS giving out free items, then less newbies will recieve gifts" or something like that. he also said that he would've removed all those items but i guess he added others meanwhile.
bah. let him do as he wants, at this point.

QUOTE(jackalo @ Dec 2 2016, 09:20) *

is any of this gear i have useful for DW builds:

rapier of slaughter
rapier of nimble
ethereal waki of balance
shortsword of balance

if i still need to buy a 1h weapon, what should i be looking for?

a waki of nimble for Rapier + Waki. or a club of slaughter for Club + Rapier.
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post Dec 2 2016, 11:52
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Am I right to assume that setting up a autoclicker for 1h intervals to level adept learner is against the rules?

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post Dec 2 2016, 12:02
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QUOTE(anno12345 @ Dec 2 2016, 11:52) *

Am I right to assume that setting up a autoclicker for 1h intervals to level adept learner is against the rules?

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I think it's legal
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post Dec 2 2016, 12:13
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I really should know this by now, but:
Butcher and Archmage: is it +2% damage per IW level, exactly?
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post Dec 2 2016, 12:16
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Dec 2 2016, 12:13) *

I really should know this by now, but:
Butcher and Archmage: is it +2% damage per IW level, exactly?


Ee'yup, 2%. Coming from supes, that's a little bit unexpected
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post Dec 2 2016, 12:17
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Ee'yup, 2%. Coming from supes, that's a little bit unexpected
I know that's what it implies on the wiki, but I don't trust it, and I've never carefully looked at the stats before and after an IW to see what the multiplier really is.
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post Dec 2 2016, 12:18
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Dec 2 2016, 11:17) *

I know that's what it implies on the wiki, but I don't trust it, and I've never carefully looked at the stats before and after an IW to see what the multiplier really is.

2% yep. what made you think differently?
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